Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 2nd Nov 2016 23:41 UTC
Apple

The first reviews of the new MacBook Pro are in. Note that this only concerns the base 13"model, which does not come with the new Touch Bar.

The Verge concludes:

While the display, build quality, and looks of the new MacBook Pro are beyond reproach, they're no longer beyond the competition. Lenovo's ThinkPad X1 Yoga has a spectacular OLED display. Dell's XPS 13 has great battery life and design. HP's EliteBook Folio has a hinge that folds out to a full 180 degrees, whereas Apple s laptops have always been limited to opening to a little bit beyond vertical. Razer's Blade Stealth has a 4K touchscreen, Thunderbolt 3, and the latest seventh-gen Intel processors, whereas Apple is still using sixth-gen chips. Why does any of that matter? It matters because this new MacBook Pro's compromises are large enough to make me, a loyal and satisfied MacBook user for seven years, look outside the cozy confines of Apple's ecosystem. Apple has built a beautiful computer with all the upgrades I wanted, but it's taken away things that I actually need, and now I'm looking elsewhere.

And Ars Technica:

Putting aside larger concerns about Apple's stewardship of the Mac as a hardware and software platform, the new MacBook Pro is a very solid design that should serve Apple well over the next few years. Some pros will claim that it isn't "pro" enough, but the 13-inch models have always served as more of a bridge between the consumer MacBooks and MacBook Airs on the low end and the 15-inch Pros and the desktop lineup on the high end. They've never been particularly "pro."

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RE[4]: shameful keyboard design
by mmrezaie on Thu 3rd Nov 2016 12:40 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: shameful keyboard design"
mmrezaie
Member since:
2006-05-09

Do your colleagues hate it too?

Yes, since couple of us were waiting to see what we are getting, and as long time apple buyer my only problem why I cannot commit to these new ones is the keyboard. It is a shame since for the rest of the changes I like what they have done. But no, that's not going to be a working keyboard for me. I spend too much time on the machine.

Oh, I just asked and the current owners in my department are using external keyboards whenever they are at their desk. That's an option if you only consume when laptop is on your lap and work when at desk. This seems more reasonable, but doesn't fix what is in my opinion a flaw for a pro machine.

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puenktchen Member since:
2007-07-27

According to the Verge

I’m writing this entire review on the 2016 MacBook Pro and I frankly don’t want to go back to typing on my Air. It’s a universally better experience. If you were still harboring reservations about ... the flatter keyboard ... of the MacBook, this new MBP is sure to allay them in a hurry.


But Ars is a bit less enthusiastic:

The new keyboard does feel noticeably better than the old one when you use them side-by-side—it combines the keys’ pleasant firmness and larger size with a greater feeling of travel and a more satisfying clicky sound. ... It may be able to convince some people who were on the fence, but I don’t think it’s going to win over many people who have decided they absolutely hate the MacBook’s keyboard.


I'll have to give it a try.

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mmrezaie Member since:
2006-05-09

According to the Verge

"I’m writing this entire review on the 2016 MacBook Pro and I frankly don’t want to go back to typing on my Air. It’s a universally better experience. If you were still harboring reservations about ... the flatter keyboard ... of the MacBook, this new MBP is sure to allay them in a hurry.


But Ars is a bit less enthusiastic:

The new keyboard does feel noticeably better than the old one when you use them side-by-side—it combines the keys’ pleasant firmness and larger size with a greater feeling of travel and a more satisfying clicky sound. ... It may be able to convince some people who were on the fence, but I don’t think it’s going to win over many people who have decided they absolutely hate the MacBook’s keyboard.


I'll have to give it a try.
"

It doesn't mean these reviewers are using the computer as a terminal to something like emacs. You can look at the keyboard when you are browsing social media if necessary, but when you do serious work, I do not think so. I am pretty much sure that I cannot use anything other than standard keyboard. The previous generation's keyboard still wasn't as good as something line X260 thinkpad but still it was good enough. Sure this is subjective, but this new one is a different beast, and I know that I need the key travel. Otherwise I am going to hit my keyboard every time I am compiling like a maniac!

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