Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 21st Nov 2016 20:58 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless

With another wave of restructuring underway, which would see Nokia lay off tens of thousands of employees over the next few years, conversations like these and the close but remote relationship that the two had established might soon come to an end.

What they and their fellow Nokians needed was a way to stay in touch. And so, with little fuss or fanfare, Rentrop and Parumog set up the 'Beyond Nokia' Facebook group.

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"It's a love story," says Sotiris Makrygiannis, who was previously director of applications and site manager of Nokia's Helsinki R&D center. "I've never seen such a large group of people adoring a company. It's remarkable. All these tens of thousands of people lost their jobs and instead of hating the company, actually admiring the company".

To understand why, Rentrop points me to Nokia's old company slogan: Connecting People. "It was not just a marketing phrase," she says, "for many members Nokia became a family". That sentiment is echoed in the hundreds of messages and photos currently being posted to the group every hour.

To this day, the demise of so much of Nokia is a black page in the EU's history. The deal with Microsoft should have never been allowed to go through, and there's definitely grounds for more thorough investigation into the history and circumstances of the deal. Of course, it's impossible to say if Nokia's smartphone arm would've survived with Android, but I'm quite confident the company would've faced far better odds.

As I said from the very beginning: the moment Nokia decided to share the bed with Microsoft, was the moment Nokia signed its own death warrant.

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RE: already dead
by przemo_li on Tue 22nd Nov 2016 15:34 UTC in reply to "already dead"
przemo_li
Member since:
2010-06-01

1) Nokia had most loyal fan base. Beating Apple.
2) Nokia had sales increasing well into iPhone craze.
3) Nokia had MeeGo well before Android become popular.
4) Nokia had MeeGo handset getting better reviews then iPhone.

But for the most part Nokia had genius CEO who got 20 milions $ for ruining Nokia smartphones business.

All he needed to do was to weaken Nokia and force MS to buy it outright. As selling smartphone division would net him those 20 milions $ regardless of any conditions of the actual sale.

Moral of the story: Never allow Your CEO to get into deals that if failing would force other side to buy part of Your company if You have a clause that give generous bonus for such transaction to Your CEO.
He have no incentive to succeed then....

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RE[2]: already dead
by Alfman on Tue 22nd Nov 2016 19:26 in reply to "RE: already dead"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

przemo_li,

All he needed to do was to weaken Nokia and force MS to buy it outright. As selling smartphone division would net him those 20 milions $ regardless of any conditions of the actual sale.

Moral of the story: Never allow Your CEO to get into deals that if failing would force other side to buy part of Your company if You have a clause that give generous bonus for such transaction to Your CEO.
He have no incentive to succeed then....



That deal was just incomprehensible for shareholders and customers alike. The architects of the MS buyout destroyed the company from the inside out. They may have believed partnering with MS would pay off, but people never learn that MS are just wolves seeking to exploit others. And it's just abhorrent that the CEO in charge of watching out for the company was in a position to gain from it's demise.

I just don't understand how the board could have allowed this to happen, but hell, we just did the same thing with the US presidency, so who am I to point fingers.

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RE[2]: already dead
by unclefester on Wed 23rd Nov 2016 09:30 in reply to "RE: already dead"
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

1) Nokia had most loyal fan base. Beating Apple.
2) Nokia had sales increasing well into iPhone craze.
3) Nokia had MeeGo well before Android become popular.
4) Nokia had MeeGo handset getting better reviews then iPhone.



1. Balckberry had the most loyal fan base of all.
2. A low margin business with very little future.
3. Meego was going nowhere.
4. Meego was going nowhere.

Edited 2016-11-23 09:30 UTC

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RE[3]: already dead
by jgfenix on Wed 23rd Nov 2016 22:42 in reply to "RE[2]: already dead"
jgfenix Member since:
2006-05-25

I was 1 until Elop came. When I had to change my phone I didn't consider any other brand.
2. There was a migration path from the lower end to the high end. I began with basic phones, then I had a 5800 and my final Nokia was a N900.
3. I was willing to buy it even if it had fewer apps than Android and iPhone. I even considered to buy a N9 but then Elop came and said "Even if it is a success we won't make more".

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RE[3]: already dead
by cdude on Sat 26th Nov 2016 12:31 in reply to "RE[2]: already dead"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

> Meego was going nowhere.

Seems you are not aware but the N9 was delivered and did well in the 2-3 markets Elop allowed to sell them in.

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