Linked by Eugenia Loli on Wed 23rd Nov 2005 18:54 UTC
GTK+ The GIMP toolkit (GTK+) matures to include yet another platform. This project aims to bring native GTK+ support to the Apple Mac OS X platform. The basic implementation is sponsored by Imendio AB and the work so far has been done by Anders Carlsson (of Imendio).
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Why will they succeed
by chekr on Wed 23rd Nov 2005 20:51 UTC
chekr
Member since:
2005-11-05

Sorry, accidently posted anaon above as (IP: 220.237.14.---)

Further to that these are the reasons why I have faith that Imendio will pull it off

1.)They did the beagle integration with Nautilus

2.)Nokia are doing some work with them at the moment on internet tablets

3.)They are on the Gnome advisory board

4.)They are a great bunch of people with a good business model.

Thanks to the Imendians for their work on this.

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RE: Why will they succeed
by segedunum on Thu 24th Nov 2005 15:04 in reply to "Why will they succeed"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

4.)They are a great bunch of people with a good business model.

Well:

Imendio has invested approximately $25000 to date and are aiming to continue to support this open project.

This has been tried by many companies, including Eazel and Ximian in the past, and they simply haven't survived. They've got bogged down by their attachment to the software and religious arguments than they have by their attachment to staying in business.

Other factors that
have made GTK+ successful include:

* The licensing model (LGPL)


I never fail to be amazed by these companies that will blow money they haven't got on this stuff in order to allow others to develop everything for free. There must be some extremely well hidden revenue stream I'm not seeing here....... Creating a cross platform technology that works well on even one platform takes a lot of focused time and effort.

Of course sensible businesses out there buy a cross-platform toolkit that actually works today, save themselves up to $20,000+ (and more - that's an open-ended figure there) and actually write applications that are useful to people that they can sell and will keep them in business. But, you know.....

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RE[2]: Why will they succeed
by g2devi on Thu 24th Nov 2005 17:17 in reply to "RE: Why will they succeed"
g2devi Member since:
2005-07-09

> This has been tried by many companies, including
> Eazel and Ximian in the past, and they simply haven't
> survived.

Eazel failed because they had no business plan, pure and simple. They just kept writing software long before they decided what they would do, then tried to fit their services around their invention. That's a backwards way to go about it and fails no matter what you're selling.

As for Ximian, they did quite well and got several contracts. They did so well in fact that Novell bought them up.

BTW, you fail to see the connection of

> 4.)They are a great bunch of people with a good business model. Imendio has invested approximately
> $25000 to date and are aiming to continue to support
> this open project.

and

> Other factors that have made GTK+ successful include:
> * The licensing model (LGPL)

These two are hugely related. Hans Reiser contributes to the Linux kernel because he can sell proprietary modules based off of the Reiser file system. Codeweavers has a similar model as does Transgaming. The LGPL gives them the flexibility to create a sustainable business model.

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RE[2]: Why will they succeed
by miguel on Thu 24th Nov 2005 18:13 in reply to "RE: Why will they succeed"
miguel Member since:
2005-07-27

Ah, more non-sense from "segedunum".


This has been tried by many companies, including Eazel and Ximian in the past, and they simply haven't survived. They've got bogged down by their attachment to the software and religious arguments than they have by their attachment to staying in business.


Ximian did survive just fine until the day it got acquired by Novell. Ximian unlike most other companies during the boom did not spend its money left and right. We had the mentaility of not spending more money than we needed to.

But as usual for segendum, he lives in his own world. His reality is made up of his own stories that he spices up over time. Up to the point where his own arguments start making sense to him.

In reality, we have him commenting on a Gnome story because he feels that anything that helps Gnome (Mono, Gtk being cross platform, Tango) is a threat to his way of life.

It must be difficult living in fear. Thats why am extending a friendly hand to segedunum to bring him to a happy place, a safe place. A place where he can continue to use his tools, and yet, through the miracle of love he might accept that others can be quite excited. A world where ruining someone else's party is no longer amusing.

That being said (segedunum, please close your eyes now, am talking to the rest, you dont have to read what follows), segedunum reminds me of Dwight from "The Office" in the American edition.

Check out his blog, and tell me if he is not *identical*:

http://blogs.nbc.com/office/

Or the "Comic Book Guy" in the Simpsons.

Ok, back to happy thoughts.


Miguel.

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RE[3]: Why will they succeed
by chekr on Fri 25th Nov 2005 05:45 in reply to "RE: Why will they succeed"
chekr Member since:
2005-11-05

Oh look just come out with it, you're a troll. Look there are positive ways of criticising, you obviously do not realise this. I disagree with Miguel on some of the issues surrounding Mono, these are personal concerns which obviously aren't an issue to Miguel. You don't see me making any personal attacks on this now do you.

Look Imendio are doing a great job insofar as I can tell, what concern is it to you if they wish to crash and burn whilst contributing to the success of GTK, are you an investor?

Obviously you have wet dreams about Trolltech, whatever tickles your carriage I guess, but why come here and post your nonsense?

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