Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 4th Sep 2017 22:16 UTC
Oracle and SUN

Remember, back in December 2016, when there were rumours Oracle was killing Solaris? And how a month later, Solaris effectively switched to maintenance mode, and then to a "continuous deliver model"?

The news from the ex-Sun community jungle drums is that the January rumours were true and Oracle laid off the core talent of the Solaris and SPARC teams on Friday. That surely has to mean a maintenance-only future for the product range, especially with Solaris 12 cancelled. A classic Oracle "silent EOL", no matter what they claim.

With the hardware deprecated, my guess is that's the last of the Sun assets Oracle acquired written off. Just how good were Oracle's decisions on buying Sun?

Sun's Solaris is dead.

Bryan Cantrill on this news (this Bryan Cantrill):

As had been rumored for a while, Oracle effectively killed Solaris on Friday. When I first saw this, I had assumed that this was merely a deep cut, but in talking to Solaris engineers still at Oracle, it is clearly much more than that. It is a cut so deep as to be fatal: the core Solaris engineering organization lost on the order of 90% of its people, including essentially all management.


Judging merely by its tombstone, the life of Solaris can be viewed as tragic: born out of wedlock between Sun and AT&T and dying at the hands of a remorseless corporate sociopath a quarter century later. And even that may be overstating its longevity: Solaris may not have been truly born until it was made open source, and - certainly to me, anyway - it died the moment it was again made proprietary. But in that shorter life, Solaris achieved the singular: immortality for its revolutionary technologies. So while we can mourn the loss of the proprietary embodiment of Solaris (and we can certainly lament the coarse way in which its technologists were treated!), we can rejoice in the eternal life of its technologies - in illumos and beyond!

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Long Dead
by Macrat on Mon 4th Sep 2017 22:44 UTC
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Sun was delt a mortal blow in 2000 by the dot-com bust.

Then finally died in 2004 when Schwartz became CEO.

After that it was just a corpse to exploit.

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RE: Long Dead
by viton on Mon 4th Sep 2017 23:29 in reply to "Long Dead"
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Thanks to Schwartz, we have open-source stuff including UltraSparc T1/2 processors.

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chronicle of a death foretold...
by sergio on Tue 5th Sep 2017 00:48 in reply to "RE: Long Dead"
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and open source Java and open source ZFS and OpenSolaris and OpenOffice and a long list of cool projects and tons of open source friendliness.

Don't get me wrong, Schwartz was a terrible CEO from an economic point of view, but for us, the community, he was like Jesus, he really believed in open source and contributed with the cause. Honestly, I think he was a good guy and you cannot be a good CEO and a good guy at the same time! xD

Regarding Solaris, well, it's sad, the best enterprise OS ever created death in the hands of the most mediocre IT company in the world. But We, Sun fans and Solaris users, already knew this since 2009. Oracle is f*ing cancer no more no less, capitalism in its most pure state. ;)

Edited 2017-09-05 00:49 UTC

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RE: Long Dead
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Tue 5th Sep 2017 13:54 in reply to "Long Dead"
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I don't think he killed it at all. I think after the dotnet boom and the maturation of Linux, Sun was a walking corpse. The products were too expensive to justify use. Sparc had no price/performance advantage over intel/linux for most use cases. By open sourcing everything Schwartz was trying to get more uptake. It was probably too late at that point, but a good effort.

When they started closing things up, that was the final nail in the coffin.

Its a shame, I always wanted to use Sun, but couldn't ever justify it. I was able to play around with some old sun workstations, which was fun but never used for any real work.

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RE[2]: Long Dead
by yerverluvinunclebert on Tue 5th Sep 2017 16:10 in reply to "RE: Long Dead"
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. Sparc had no price/performance advantage over intel/linux for most use cases.

Sweeping statements like this are always dangerous as they show the author is uninformed. This basically is untrue and all you have to do to disprove a statement like this is to come up with one use case.

Use case no.1: Solaris and Sparc could be hardened to become ft-Sparc, multiple processors working in lock-step to achieve fault tolerance. Used by Telcos for mediating data types between mobile telecom switches and trackside locations for control of points and signals. Not the sort of work you would want to be done by linux or Windows. BSOD resulting in lots of RFOD (red faces of death)...

Fault tolerance was one use case - I am sure we would not be hard pressed to come up with another. Don't even bother trying to argue that linux or Windows systems can be made fault tolerant. They simply cannot and by arguing such you would just be showing your lack of knowledge.

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