Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 5th Sep 2017 11:08 UTC
Google Jon von Tetzchner, CEO of Vivalvi (and former CEO of Opera):

Recently, our Google AdWords campaigns were suspended without warning. This was the second time that I have encountered this situation. This time, however, timing spoke volumes.

I had several interviews where I voiced concerns about the data gathering and ad targeting practices - in particular, those of Google and Facebook. They collect and aggregate far too much personal information from their users. I see this as a very serious, democracy-threatening problem, as the vast targeting opportunities offered by Google and Facebook are not only good for very targeted marketing, but also for tailored propaganda. The idea of the Internet turning into a battlefield of propaganda is very far away from the ideal.

Two days after my thoughts were published in an article by Wired, we found out that all the campaigns under our Google AdWords account were suspended - without prior warning. Was this just a coincidence? Or was it deliberate, a way of sending us a message?

Large technology companies have an immense amount of control over and influence on our society, far more than they - or anyone else, for that matter - care to admit. We're way past the point where governments should step in and start to correct this dangerous situation. It's time for another breakup of the Bell System. It's time we, as society, take a long, hard look at corporations - in tech and elsewhere - and ask ourselves if we really want to be subject to the control of organisations we effectively have no democratic control over.

I'm not a proponent of nationalisation, but I am a proponent of breaking up Google, Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, and possibly others (I'm sticking to technology for now) to severely limit their power and influence. The products and services these companies create have become too important and too vital to the functioning of our society, and they should be treated as such.

It wouldn't be the first time we, as society, decide a certain product has become too vital to leave in corporations' unrestricted hands.

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Sorry but not sorry
by Ikshaar on Tue 5th Sep 2017 15:39 UTC
Ikshaar
Member since:
2005-07-14

So the guy tries to play it both way and got burn, so what ? he complained of Google tactics playing the crusader against bad Google while advertising on their system... talk about a hypocrite. Opera failed because it was an average browser with a terrible business model, not because of Google Docs.

I am sorry but I don't fall for these grand-standers. What was Google supposed to do, not introduce Google Doc because a mediocre barely used browser was not supporting it...

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RE: Sorry but not sorry
by Licaon_Kter on Tue 5th Sep 2017 20:05 in reply to "Sorry but not sorry"
Licaon_Kter Member since:
2010-03-19

What part of "change the UserAgent and Docs work fine" was unclear?

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RE: Sorry but not sorry
by Dave_K on Tue 5th Sep 2017 22:55 in reply to "Sorry but not sorry"
Dave_K Member since:
2005-11-16

Opera failed because it was an average browser with a terrible business model, not because of Google Docs.


I can't argue about the failings of their business model, but calling one of the most innovative ever browsers "average" is just ignorant.

Many of the features in today's average browsers originated in Opera. Some features in Opera from the start, e.g. saved sessions, took the best part of a decade to filter down to its competitors. There were plenty of other Opera features that can barely be replicated today even with extensions. In my opinion nothing has matched Opera 10-12 for elegant and flexible tab management.

Opera stagnated and regressed; the current version is a dumbed down shell of the browser it was before its Chromification, but its commercial failure back in the 00s wasn't down to it being average.

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RE[2]: Sorry but not sorry
by Kochise on Wed 6th Sep 2017 04:56 in reply to "RE: Sorry but not sorry"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

Can't say about their business model, I paid them 3 times through the 9-12 era to show them my support.

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RE[2]: Sorry but not sorry
by Sabon on Thu 7th Sep 2017 15:52 in reply to "RE: Sorry but not sorry"
Sabon Member since:
2005-07-06

I tried several times to make Opera my default browser. I stopped using Safari and Google and Firefox for anything that I could do in Opera. I made it my default for a whole month (31 day month) and in the end I just didn't like the browser. I LOVED a lot of features that only it had. But the interface ... I can't remember if I could put my finger on it or not, but I just didn't like it.

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