Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 27th Jan 2018 00:47 UTC
Windows

Following the publication last year of the data collected by Windows 10's built-in telemetry and diagnostic tracking, Microsoft today announced that the next major Windows 10 update, due around March or April, will support a new app, the Windows Diagnostic Data Viewer, that will allow Windows users to browse and inspect the data that the system has collected.

While I doubt this tool will alleviate any of the concerns some people have over Windows 10's data collection, it does at least give some insight into what's being sent to Microsoft - assuming, that is, you trust the reporting to be truthful and accurate.

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Trusted Computing
by quackalist on Sat 27th Jan 2018 01:03 UTC
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You josh, would any reader of OSnews be foolish enough to trust such reporting. I think not , even if it was true...

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RE: Trusted Computing
by grat on Sat 27th Jan 2018 02:15 in reply to "Trusted Computing "
grat Member since:
2006-02-02

Precisely.

Because everyone is "smarter" than that, in spite of the fact Microsoft would be complete and utter morons to release a tool that was later proven to lie about what data they collect, even though it would open them up to massive class action lawsuits.

Microsoft has a huge incentive to be absolutely transparent here, and practically no reason whatsoever to lie or obfuscate.

That doesn't matter any longer though, because society has no interest in "true" or "false".

Our "news providers" are "entertainment companies", and have no obligation to report the truth, the American President lies, and calls out any attempts to correct him as "fake news".

And the internet is full of self-opinionated blowhards who have no idea what the truth is, but they'll repeat whatever they heard, because it makes them look cool.

Microsoft could open up their entire codebase to the public, and people would STILL believe they were hiding something.

Apple, meanwhile, releases incredibly insecure software, hides billions in tax revenue, slows down their older phones deliberately, and created the original walled garden (iTunes) and replaced it with an even more locked-in walled garden (App Store!) and people still think they're the greatest computer company that ever existed.

As a society, I don't think we're capable of recognizing "truth" any longer. Our signal to noise ratio has hit zero.

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RE[2]: Trusted Computing
by leech on Sat 27th Jan 2018 03:06 in reply to "RE: Trusted Computing "
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2006-01-10

Yeah, some of the shit Apple has pulled recently (and not so recently) has even opened up the eyes of some of their biggest fans. Yet there are still those die hards that would still buy their products because they are convinced they are still the best option, mostly without ever trying another option.

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RE[2]: Trusted Computing
by b00gie on Sat 27th Jan 2018 06:07 in reply to "RE: Trusted Computing "
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2006-06-09

Only technologically (or politically) naive people give a blank cheque of permissions.

I recommend you to read "Reflections on Trusting Trust" by Thompson and search for Debian's reproducible builds project.

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RE[2]: Trusted Computing
by Andrzej on Sat 27th Jan 2018 08:00 in reply to "RE: Trusted Computing "
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2017-03-07

Microsoft never lied to us before. They have no reason to do so. That's why they are always open, never hide anything. Their sources are open to public and they don't contain any stolen code. They never attack any other company on false basis, they never buy a company just to shut down its business. This is, my friend, best thing that happened to humanity since invention of a wheel. That's why we should trust them when they say we should trust them. POTUS is a completely different thing. His office is aimed at making money in any way possible, no matter the cost, by principle.

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RE[2]: Trusted Computing
by stormcrow on Sat 27th Jan 2018 17:44 in reply to "RE: Trusted Computing "
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2015-03-10

Microsoft is being both transparent and obfuscating at the same time with this tool. They can point at it and say "Oh, we're telling you what's going to our servers!" and that is one face of the truth. But they're withholding what the meaning of data being sent is. If you're looking at 0x4523FACB without context, it's just a hex number without meaning other than its arithmatic value. It's meaningless without the interpretive information. That's what's going on here.

The reason we can't "recognize the truth" any more is because no one is TELLING the full truth. Even Microsoft isn't telling the full truth here.

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v RE[2]: Trusted Computing Really ???
by user78 on Sat 27th Jan 2018 22:19 in reply to "RE: Trusted Computing "
RE[2]: Trusted Computing
by l3v1 on Sun 28th Jan 2018 11:04 in reply to "RE: Trusted Computing "
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2005-07-06

Microsoft has a huge incentive to be absolutely transparent here, and practically no reason whatsoever to lie or obfuscate.

That doesn't matter any longer though, because society has no interest in "true" or "false".


Trust is not easy to acquire, but it's very easy to lose. And once lost, it doesn't matter how many cynical or sarcastic followers you line up, how many apps you make, tools you release, it still will take you more time than you can afford to get it back. Its just how it is. Speaches like "society has no interest in" have no place in such a context, since this is not a religious or social issue. Never was, never will be.

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RE[2]: Trusted Computing
by Dr.Cyber on Mon 29th Jan 2018 15:23 in reply to "RE: Trusted Computing "
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2017-06-17

Precisely.

Because everyone is "smarter" than that, in spite of the fact Microsoft would be complete and utter morons to release a tool that was later proven to lie about what data they collect, even though it would open them up to massive class action lawsuits.

Microsoft has a huge incentive to be absolutely transparent here, and practically no reason whatsoever to lie or obfuscate.



You are assuming here that you know MS has nothing to hide, which is a huge leap of faith considering that if they had something to hide then they would hide it thus making it hard to find out about it.

So the reality is that we really do not know if MS has an incentive to lie or not. This makes having blind faith in them by assuming we know their motives risky.

But most people really do not care about their privacy. MS has already admitted that they can view your files and virtually everything you do on Windows 10, so really when it comes to privacy MS already tells us their customers have none and many people like it that way.

It makes sense too, why would they let their cattle have privacy? Privacy only makes it harder to manage cattle especially if the cattle has the potential to develop intelligence.

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