Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 18th Jan 2006 18:14 UTC, submitted by Anonymous
Windows "Monad, also known more formally as the MSH Command Shell, is a next generation Windows command shell. Built on top of the .NET Framework, MSH provides a powerful infrastructure for the automation of a wide range of administrative tasks. At last, the command line is a first-class citizen in the world of Windows system management."
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RE[6]: Wow.
by Windows Sucks on Wed 18th Jan 2006 23:17 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Wow. "
Windows Sucks
Member since:
2005-11-10

I was not saying that you could not still use the GUI etc.

My point was that once apon a time it took actual knowledge to be an admin, not just point and click done.

You actually needed to know what commands were for, what they did, how they worked together etc, etc.

Microsoft came along and said "Hey you don't need to pay that guy who knows all that 100,000 a year, you can get your PC tech to do almost the same tasks and pay them to do two jobs, network admin and PC tech. Save yourself tons of money in admin costs while you pay us a ton of money."

Never mind that you have to reboot your servers often like in NT3, 4 and 2000. Never mind that you have to deal with a lack of security etc! You won't have that big paycheck anymore.

And companies went for it. Now all of a sudden you are telling us that hey the command line is important again, not only important but we are going to make one that has a LOT of cryptic commands just like Unix used to. It's gonna be powerful (Like Unix has been) and important so check it out.

And people jump on it like it's some new holy grail. LOL! Funny!

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RE[7]: Wow.
by sappyvcv on Wed 18th Jan 2006 23:25 in reply to "RE[6]: Wow. "
sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

Now you're just going off on a tangent.

No one is acting like it's the holy grail. But it's a good thing, so people appreciate that it's being developed. What is wrong with that? Are you just bitter that people are happy about something being done in Windows?

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RE[8]: Wow.
by Ookaze on Thu 19th Jan 2006 16:43 in reply to "RE[7]: Wow. "
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2005-11-14

Warning, this is a rant with no valuable info.

No one is acting like it's the holy grail

Excuse me ??!!!!!
The very first time I heard about Monad, it was an article saying that the Linux shell is sh*t compared to the wonderful Monad thing. Before saying people other than Windows shills act like it's holy grail, you'd better go shut off all the Windows zealots on the net that were fast to say bash is shit compared to Monad. You'll have a hard job too, to update all the Windows trolls that still say using the command line is backwards. Because I won't hesitate a moment to make them remember that one of the next big thing in Vista is a decent shell (well, Monad still never appeared to me to be decent till this day).
You know, the net is a very good reflection of the abuse I take from Windows admins that think they know everything.

But it's a good thing, so people appreciate that it's being developed. What is wrong with that? Are you just bitter that people are happy about something being done in Windows?

Now that's funny, trying to reverse the situation ?
I predicted (actually no, I did not, I just know very well the patterns of MS ans its shills) that it would happen.
The pattern is simple : Windows shills won't acknowledge anything that's better in Linux, but as soon as MS does it, it's better than in Linux. They won't even wait to see the thing for real to say such nonsense, as soon as the MS heads announce the product, they think it's god making predictions and that it will happen (another pattern of MS is that the more they say it's better than anything else, the less it's likely to even deliver).
I took lot of abuse from MS shills (in real life and on the net) when they announced that they would:
- have a search engine better than Google (just because Google uses Linux). Most of them will still argue today that the MS search engine is better !!!
- open the source of part of their OS. Still not true today.
- open the specs of their Office formats. Still not true today.
- I'd have to say things about Windows but they would turn to troll (like USB not working plug&play at all in Windows, like when you change USB port and have to reinstall drivers, ...)
- A lot I forgot because they are less prominent examples
For all of these, the shills will still argue with me today that MS delivered and that it's better (though often, thay can't support the lies for very long).
This monad thing is the same story.
Nothing is wrong with monad itself as long as it stays a Windows only thing (and it will, I predict it ... no I know the patterns actually).
The problem appears when you compare it to other things.
When Windows shills can say such nonsense as "Monad being unique is true if you restrict yourself to Windows world", well... I won't tell you how stupid I think it is. At least it's not insulting to true shells that works, some articles on the net are worse.

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RE[7]: Wow.
by tomcat on Thu 19th Jan 2006 03:08 in reply to "RE[6]: Wow. "
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2006-01-06

Microsoft came along and said "Hey you don't need to pay that guy who knows all that 100,000 a year, you can get your PC tech to do almost the same tasks and pay them to do two jobs, network admin and PC tech. Save yourself tons of money in admin costs while you pay us a ton of money."

MS certainly lowered the threshold required to administer its platforms; however, I've never read anywhere MS saying that it's appropriate not to use professional administration of business machines. Can you provide a link to prove your point?

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