Home > SCO > Unix decline extends SCO revenue drop Unix decline extends SCO revenue drop Eugenia Loli 2005-06-03 SCO 25 Comments The SCO Group’s revenue continued to decline in its most recent quarter, but the company that launched a legal attack on Linux reported a narrower net loss compared with the year earlier. About The Author Eugenia Loli Ex-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker. Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli 25 Comments 2005-06-03 3:04 am The moment I heard they were waging war on Linux, I knew they were in trouble. Regardless of whether you’re right or wrong, picking on something ‘sacred’ is not a smart idea. Just like Sinead O’Connor dissing the Pope on SNL – that kind of thing just has the potential to ruin your career 2005-06-03 3:08 am Yes this is what usually happens when you declare war on a concept or idea (embodied in Linux this time). Well time to sit back and have a beer. 2005-06-03 3:14 am Well, in emergency rooms they have a saying: All bleeding eventually stops. I suspect SCO’s losses are slowing because they have little left to loose. Good riddance. 2005-06-03 3:25 am The loss is about the same as last quarter if you don’t count the cash they got from selling their Trolltech shares. They’re just selling off the noncash assets to prop up their bottom line. 2005-06-03 3:40 am Unbiased Reasonable Opinion: Seeing that people’s lifes are at at SCO and people’s life savings are tied up in SCO and assuming that they are not completely retarded and some of their claims are true I hope they win. Very reasonable, everybody should take up barratry and expect to get away with it … 2005-06-03 3:58 am “Linux is not really sacred.” Not everyone believes that its scarrd. “people that spend their entire lives talking up linux and harassing everyone” Not everyone goes around harassing people. Keep in mind that there are zealots on every platform. And zealotry extends beyond the geeky realm. “People also use it against the big-bad microsoft, oh I think it would be a hell of a lot worse if microsoft were chinese.” People have the right to choose what they use for an OS. Like the same right about what they purchase: homes, cars, cloaths and so on. “Companies need to be protected sometimes against other companies but protecting linux from microsoft is really really dumb for the corporate world and that’s why novell and all these companies are using it because they think its the only way” Welcome to business world. Use the tools at hand, if its a tool to gain a competitive edge, then it will be used. When you competitior is the 800 gorilla, your going to use what ever you have in your arsenal to accomplish your goal. “and theres a buncha crazy linux people that will go around 24/7 talking about how cool they are” I had a tad bit of news, there are crazy people everywhere, its not isolated to an operating system. I find it a tad bit odd that your talking about all the crazy/zealot like people that exist in the world. Use what you like let people wage their own personal war. If you use open source fine and if you don’t, thats just fine too. I think you will find that there are numerous people that believe in something so stongly that they have to voice an opinion. A few topics would be: 1) Abortion 2) Human rights 3) Womens rights 4) Gun control 5) Education 6) Taxes 7) Sports 8) Religion Take your pick, tons of topics, zealots and so on. Welcome to the world, everyone has an opinion. Just because people don’t share your opinoin doesn’t make it wrong, nor does it make them a zealot. PS: The term zealot relates back to religion in the 1st century. Pecuiliar? Ya think? 2005-06-03 4:01 am I’m sorry, I’m having a hard time understanding your argument. Those posts were a bit incoherent… SCO will lose because they have no case, and certainly not the case they promised (remember “millions of lines of code”? If SCO had a case we would know it by now… 2005-06-03 6:01 am Tim!!! What ever youre on…could I please have some? 2005-06-03 6:47 am I think it is really silly for a big company like sco that depends on an (arguably) declining market to draw such negative publicity to themselves, surely no positive long term effect can be gained by their actions. Are they hastily trying to grab as much as they can before the ship sinks? 2005-06-03 7:24 am The UnixWare product itself is pretty bloody good. With the 7.1.x releases they have even “seen the light” and started to include stuff like SAMBA, CUPS, etc… We use it at work as a server for a 500+ client/server platform and it rocks. It does not crash. Uptimes 6 months to a year are no problem. Only downtime is for hardware/OS upgrades or moving server between racks/locations. I feel sorry for the core engineering staff as I think they are doing a great job. Too bad the management has dropped the ball soooooo badly. 2005-06-03 7:56 am You don’t seem to have followed the SCO case in any great detail judging by your post, and that’s not a good foundation for a point of view. Given the extreme nature of SCO’s behaviour Linux users have every right to feel put upon. The fact you quote John Dvorak’s nutty commentary (not much change from his usual opinions) speaks volumes. 2005-06-03 8:02 am And you could get exactly the same features out of NetBSD, or Solaris, with more features and better security. The only reason I can ever see buying UnixWare or OpenSewer is that you have an app that won’t run on anything else. For a new install, given the choice between anything SCO puts out and Windows, I’d choose Windows. Hell, I’d choose Netware or OS/2 over SCO at this point. 2005-06-03 8:25 am If SCO would have a strong case they would have faced a hostile take-over by now from M$.So i guess they try to make a living out of sueing. 2005-06-03 9:03 am There haven’t historically been many Intel UNIX products to choose from for a *mission-critical* corporate deployment. The thing SCO has going for it is mature, certified support for large multi-way servers (4-way, 8-way) and large amounts of memory (up to 32GB), etc… If you check SCO’s site they do in fact keep up with the CAN-… security alerts for things like SAMBA and SSL vulnerabilities. Solaris on Intel has been on-again, off-again. Recently it appears that Sun may be finally taking it seriously. I think Linux in general is still maturing and only lately has the 2.6 kernel started approaching what I would even consider putting in as the backbone of a major multi-user system. If this box craps out there has to be *one* vendor who you can call and get an engineer on the phone. If you are slamming in a basic file/print server or a non-mission-critical application server then Linux is a pretty good fit (and getting better). For the big-box replacement it is getting there. There isn’t a clear choice – it’s all tradeoffs. 2005-06-03 9:06 am It never ceases to amaze me how much vitriol Linux lunatics spill over this SCO case. Somehow this low suite has been taken like some sort of a religious crusade. After all SCO is suing IBM not because it just hates Linux, but because IBM misappropriated and misused SCO’s IP. It might be a very valid case and it is up for the judge to decide if IBM is a saint. Linux fanatics ran DOS attacks and issued death threats to SCO executues, how mentally f*cked those people are? It proves how many criminally insane people populate the so called Linux community. I like John Dvorak’s commentaly on how Linux community is turning into a freaking mob of dangerous fanatics: It never ceases to amaze me just how pathetic the arguments this so-called legal team can come up with. The reason Linux Zealots got really worked up was because of the lack of information forthcomming. All it would have required was “IBM put this code into Linux, please remove it”, and the very self same zealots would have been roundly condemming IBM in the same terms. Remember the very idea of using proprietary code in a GPL project goes against all the the principles of free software. They have been asked repeatedly what they think is there, and now it appears after 2 years or so, that the only case they can dredge up is some argument about APIs that is so transparently bad, they wont even put it up in front of the judge because it so obviously doesnt pass basic muster as a legal argument, oh yeah, and also some contract issue that dont affect Linux at all. While its not entirely impossible that they could pull some legal rabbit out of the hat, its pretty unlikely at this stage. Linux fanatics did *not* run the DDOS attacks agains SCO, that was done by Russian Criminals, who used it as a distraction for the *real* purpose of the viruses they were sending out. And as for mentally insane, no, these people are very smart unfortunatey. I am not an open source zealot, i have computers around running everything from Windows to Solaris, including Linux although i am sure you are going to accuse me of being one anyway. Dangerous fanatics? thats a rather interesting term. I have never met a linux “Zealot” that i would quite happily go out to have a drink with. I would never however go out with someone of the calabre of Darl Mcbride and what passes for a legal team, but then again, i can put up with people who are dedicated to what they believe in, even if i woudnt go that far myself. But I wouldnt have anything to do with people who are unashamedly liars and Theaves though. Perhaps you should consider that what had really caused the anger in the Linux community is the fact that someone has tried to steal the last 15 years of work, given freely by some extremely gifted programmers, graphic designers, testers and document writers, and tried to charge them and others $600 for the privilage of using the freely donated works. I feel sorry for the shareholders of SCO, and hope they have legal recourse against the legal team that got them into the situation when they go bancrupt. 2005-06-03 9:36 am I couldn’t care less what people call me.Why does it take so long until we see some real results from the lawsuit?.I personally get the impression there isn’t a case at all. Dangerous fanatics? thats a rather interesting term. I have never met a linux “Zealot” that i would quite happily go out to have a drink with. Now a zealot (whatever it is) is equivalent to a dangerous fanatic.As long as fanatics use computers instead of bombs ands guns it’s pretty harmless.It’s not my problem if some shareholder gets buttf*cked or some clueless sheep pocket looses some money on the platinum credit card. The majority of the people who make decisions and can improve the precarious situation wher’e in and fight what’s to come,don’t give a shit.As with the fight against drugs the fight against cybercrime is allready lost. 2005-06-03 10:48 am >>It never ceases to amaze me how much vitriol Linux lunatics spill over this SCO case. Somehow this low suite has been taken like some sort of a religious crusade. So what if Linux fans comment about SCO. SCO is trying to take over something it didnt work for. >> After all SCO is suing IBM not because it just hates Linux, but because IBM misappropriated and misused SCO’s IP. Says who??? SCO??? 2005-06-03 2:44 pm >>After all SCO is suing IBM not because it just hates Linux, but because IBM misappropriated and misused SCO’s IP<< Evidence? It’s been well over two years. The courts have twice ordered scox to show some evidence. Judge Kimball thoroghly admonished for their “astonishing lack of credible evidence.” Scox has made *numerous* public claims about millions of lines of code found, mountains of code, MIT scientists, etc. So where is the evidence? >>Linux fanatics ran DOS attacks and issued death threats to SCO executues, how mentally f*cked those people are?<< Evidence? The DOS attacks story has been debunked. To believe mcbride’s death threats claim, you have to take mcbride at face value – and mcbride has been caught dead-to-rights in dozens of outright, and outragous, lies. >>Now these lunatics are issuing death threats?<< Evidence? Source? 2005-06-03 2:44 pm SCO will be bought by IBM or MS … future predictions … 2005-06-03 2:55 pm >>SCO will be bought by IBM or MS …<< Nope. 1) Scox is being sued by IBM, and redhat, others may join in. Whoever buys scox, buys their lawsuits. 2) Scox is just a penny-stock scam, scox owns nothing of value. All scox does is abuse the legal system to make foolish “investors” believe scox has a possibility of hitting of big legal settlement. 3) If scox does own UNIX, then msft certainly can not buy scox – anti-trust regulations. Msft is already considered a monopoly. 4) If IBM wanted to buy scox, IBM could have done it when scox had a $6MM market cap, before the lawsuit. Or, when scox had a $20MM market cap, after the lawsuit. IBM certainly would not have provided millions of dollars worth of discovery, if IBM had any intention of buying scox, or other settling with scox. 5) Msft has enough bad PR from the scox-scam. Msft certainly does not want to be involved in a lawsuit against IBM. 2005-06-03 4:15 pm Even if noone buys SCO(or their products) they could go on in courts until it really is over. MS and Sun are more than willing to buy “licenses” for Unix, just so they don’t get totally out of money. 2005-06-03 4:34 pm Linux fanatics ran DOS attacks and issued death threats to SCO executues, how mentally f*cked those people are? There is absolutely no proof of this. It’s just as likely that SCO did this on its own it order to draw some sympathy to itself. In fact, IIRC the DDoS have been traced to Russian hacker groups who could care less about Linux, but used it as a diversion while they conducted more sinister business. The rest of your post shows that you haven’t really followed the trial so far. It’s pretty clear to anyone who’s been paying attention that SCO doesn’t have a case, and basically tried to extort money from Linux users and distributors. Finally, if lunatics will drive people away, then it’s no wonder no one wants to do business with SCO anymore…Darl McBride and co. have made so many dramatic announcements that turned out to be completely groundless that it’s hard to take anything SCO says seriously anymore, including the alleged death threats. 2005-06-03 5:13 pm 1) Scox is being sued by IBM, and redhat, others may join in. Whoever buys scox, buys their lawsuits. Right,now what if SCO has a strong case?M$ would be more than delighted to sue and eliminate their Linux (more?) obstacle. Since it hasn’t happened this can mean two things: 1) M$ hasn’t found anything worthwhile in the code that would make a strong case yet. 2)It’s a hoax . 2005-06-03 6:34 pm <fiction> It’s all a big smoke screen to keep people concentrating on the issue of stollen code from the network OS such as the Unix OS’s. Mean while, SCO is set to release the “PATCH” which is worn on back of your neck and turns your brain into a fully networked (and compatible with everything out there) computer allowing the wearer to communicate with any system in existence just by thinking about it. Imagine, you can turn on and off any networked system by simply thinking about it. (Warning: one must never, ever wear a patch to bed. Sleeping with the patch may cause brain damage). Who will get the patch? SCO executives will be the only people able to obtain this technology, able to hack into any system just by thinking and become the Gods of all good and evil that exist in the world. They will enslave us all. The patch will enable them to (with a simple glance) skim off anyone standing at his or her favorite ATM by rerouting their funds to an off-shore account while they stand there wondering where it all went, or know what is being said in every email sent in the world simultaneously. Caution: once perfected, no one’s info kept on any computer anywhere, networked or not, will be safe from a patch wearers. SCO is very close to perfection. All that is left to solve is the problem of information overloading. This is expected to be remedied soon. The last three monkeys they tested made it ten minutes prior to the overload bug occurring, which causes huge levels of pressure to develop in the frontal lobe area resulting in a massive blow out of the brain’s gray matter. It’s a heck of mess too, man. Something no one should ever have to witness. SCO chose to start using a monkey a while back to test on when the temp. service they were using ran out of janitors to send over. This is a serous issue with the US government, but so far they cannot prove these rumors that the “Patch” really exists, comparing it to the rumor of the alleged code stolen by those renegades Linux coders. They claim they are close to solving the stolen code mystery, but missing janitors continue to plague the investigation. If you or anyone you should know can collaborate the “Patch” rumor, please contact your local FBI agency immediately or call 1-800-crimestoppers. It is important that the proper authorities get a handle on these renegades before they are able to finish perfecting this technology and become capable of taking over the entire world. Imagine, opening the flood gates to a computer controlled dam and flooding the whole community Redmond, WA, or closing down the US stock market at will. Please take this rumor seriously. The future of all human kind and the lives of those few remaining test monkey, SCO bought on the black market, depends on getting these thugs under control and brought to justice. </fiction> 2005-06-04 3:39 pm >>The loss is about the same as last quarter if you don’t count the cash they got from selling their Trolltech shares. They’re just selling off the noncash assets to prop up their bottom line.<< Scox also reduced their head-count, big time. I think the head count reduction contributed more than anything else. It makes sense, there is really no reason for scox to pretend that scox is anything expect penny-stock scam, bogus litigation company.