Home > Debian > Debian GNU/Linux 3.1r0 released Debian GNU/Linux 3.1r0 released Submitted by Philipp Esselbach 2005-06-06 Debian 32 Comments Debian GNU/Linux 3.1r0 (Sarge) has been released to the ftp mirrors. The full download is available on 14 CDs or 2 DVDs. About The Author Eugenia Loli Ex-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker. Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli 32 Comments 2005-06-06 5:20 pm I have been waiting on this for far to long. Thank you Debian developers! 2005-06-06 5:21 pm By rolling the trolls into one. * Waaah, only Gnome 2.8? * Waaah, only KDE 3.3? * Waaah, only XFree86 4.3 with backports from 4.4RC2? * Waaah, only LInux 2.4.27 (by default, 2.6.8 optionally)? Can’t think of any more offhand, but i’m not exhausting too much effort on this. Well done to the Debian team, and about bloody time too. Here’s hoping Etch is released in under 12 months 2005-06-06 5:22 pm Finally Debian can officially add AMD64 and start work on the gcc 4.0 and multiarch transitions. Along with removing GFDL documentation from main. 2005-06-06 5:24 pm It will be interesting if Debian can manage to squeeze all it wants to do in the next release within a 12mo time span. I doubt it can be done. 2005-06-06 5:24 pm I was going to reload my Debian server box tonight to account for the extra RAM and new Nic card. 2005-06-06 5:25 pm And a quick hardware rundown. Supports most modern kit i386 and amd64, but not: * nVidia Geforce 6-series cards (use the nvidia-glx drivers) * ATI Radeon X-series cards (use the drivers on http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.h…) * Intel i9x5 motherboard chipsets (variable degrees of unsupportedness, the graphics definitely not, the disk controller it varies by revision) * Dothan-core Intel Pentium-M CPUs (modern Centrino systems) have no SpeedStep support, only older Banias-core chips do. Similarly, no PowerNow support on Venice and San Diego AMD Athlon 64’s 2005-06-06 5:36 pm It is officially announced yet, but we could expect that today. This release has three effetcs I am looking forward to the most: – Debian fans can finally recommend this distro again to others. Both woody and Sid (unstable) were to labourious to maintain and testing didn’t get security updates and lacked some important packages in the past. – Unstable will be flooded with updates like KDE 3.4.1, X.org, Gnome 2.10 etc. – My server will require minimal maintanence from now on. 2005-06-06 5:41 pm 14 CDs! Debian sure has grown since I last used it. 2005-06-06 6:12 pm im not entirely sure debian needs to hav a full update every 12mo. how often do peeple like to reload there servers ect? and i know it is very easy to upgrade and stuff in debian (i use it as my desktop) but in the server seen i can see peeple not upgrading for the simple fact of if its not broke dont fix it. and yes it was slightly outdated as a desktop. i (being a windows admin by trade) did not find it terribly challengeing to inject such components as X.org and official ati drivers ect. how bout a full release every 2yrs? and security updates for unstable? 2005-06-06 6:14 pm At work we have CentOS running. What more can you ask for? It’s a fully modern Linux OS with rock-solid stability and support for it is longer than Debian. 2005-06-06 6:23 pm The release has not happened. There has been no email. While the cds have been(are being) pushed to mirrors, the primary mirror still has stable -> woody, so anyone installing from cd(esp. netinst) will fail. So, please, stop saying it’s released. 2005-06-06 6:39 pm Finally a new stable release of one of the oldest and popular GNU/Linux distributions out there! I’ll be sure to use it once I set up my server. I guess it’s also OK for desktop use right now but it’s Debian Stable, it will get outdated for desktop use in time. So I’ll be using unstable for my desktop, and testing for my dads desktop to get the latest and greatest software. Well good work Debian developers! Hope you wont have to delay the next release as much as this one though. 2005-06-06 6:59 pm Adam, take a look at http://ftp.debian.org/dists/stable/Release Origin: Debian Label: Debian Suite: stable Version: 3.1r0 Codename: sarge But yes, about the official announce : “* Topic for #debian-devel is: Stop pestering us and wait for the official notice on debian-announce” 2005-06-06 7:06 pm Then just enter ‘sarge’ in apt sources ….instead of stable/testing/unstable 2005-06-06 7:22 pm Now the topic of @debian-devel is: “Sarge is released — announcement should be on debian-announce within hours” 2005-06-06 7:25 pm I have been using testing on a regular basis and I would not hesitate to recommend it to others. The others I would recommend it to are not computer junkies, so the lack of security update would not be a huge issue for them. I have been using testing for a year or so now, and it’s great for me. I haven’t had many problems at all. The one reason why I wouldn’t recommend it though, was the install process, which from what I’ve heard and seen has been vastly improved on by the Debian Installer team. 2005-06-06 7:51 pm As a desktop.. meh. On the server? no equal. CentOS and all the other RHEL clones are decent enough but take all the extra yum repos in the world and add them together you still wont equal the precompiled .debs available just through the debian project. You also will notice that the rpm repos don’t play wel together. Debian packages “Just Work.” It really is an amazing distro and I was a hardcore slackware then redhat junky for the last 10 years. I tried debian but hated the installer. The new installer is cake to use. not as easy as anaconda but its actually MORE flexible than anaconda which is actually a good thing. Seriously try Debian. You’ll never have to ‘install’ another OS again. If you want a great desktop? Try Fedora. Ubuntu is ok, but a bit young and lacks good setup tools (they use Gnome System Tools, which are pure crap) 2005-06-06 8:32 pm Come on, 14 CD’s or 2 DVD’s? I guess I’m doing net install. That’s just too damn big. 2005-06-06 8:55 pm It’s too late. Please note, the same kernel and software versions were provided by Ubuntu Warty 8 months ago. Moreover the Sarge release event will initiate a deep destruction process on Debian project. DFSG extremists lost the last brake. Now plenty of essential packages including the kernel itself will undergo unscrupulous castration. It will certainly force Ubuntu to stop importing these packages, since the castration is done on the level of orig.tar.gz rendering the upstream source unusable. Deep fork of both repositories is inevitable. It will slowly destroy Debian and heavily harm Ubuntu. Sorry, deb based distros are facing a dim future. 2005-06-06 8:59 pm I’m sure there are many around the world; one’s gonna be in Berlin at the Old Emerald Isle tomorrow at 18:30 http://www.old-emerald-isle.de/ Cheers! And thank you to the Debian team! 2005-06-06 9:03 pm Can’t wait to try it out… Oh wait I’m already running Sarge 🙂 2005-06-06 9:38 pm Man that must be some good weed you been smoking. I guess instead of usually just dealing with the “Debian is ancient” trolls, we also have the doom-sayers and the “my $DISTRO is better” fanboys coming out the wood-work today. 2005-06-06 9:48 pm Just in time, on the same day, when I finally switched my main desktop OS at home from Debian to Ubuntu (I wanna play with the new Xorg…) Anyway, congrats to the Debian team! I’m sure Sarge is a superb stable server OS and even quite a good desktop OS. The new plans to make the Debian release process a bit faster look quite promising too. Maybe I’ll switch back to Debian if, after all, I wouldn’t like Ubuntu as much as I’ve liked pure Debian. Looking forward to Etch… 2005-06-06 10:04 pm The number of CD’s Debian ships on is becoming more and more irrelevant by the day as more people delve into the world of Broadband. I typically just use the Debian Netinstall CD and install from a HTTP or FTP source. Debian being debian too means you get to install what you actually NEED and not what the distributor thinks you need (and usually don’t). 2005-06-06 10:04 pm Its official (home page still not updated yet though, but in time…). Just got the email from debian-announce. Congrats to the fine folks at Debian for putting together another great release for one of the best GNU/Linux distributions! Now lets get X.org into unstable! 2005-06-06 10:09 pm Any references to support your claims? I think that if there is one Linux-based OS that is not going to wither away any time soon, it is the fully community-based Debian GNU/Linux with its huge community and now also industrial backing. The Debian project wants Debian to be as pure a free software distro as possible, but AFAIK, the extremists have always been a minority in Debian votings. Most Debian project people tend to be quite pragmatic in their views. Many of the problems come simply from the fact that Debian tries maybe to be a bit too much to everyone: the best server OS, an international desktop/workstation OS, good base for both commercial and non-commercial other distros, etc.etc. In such a situation it is hard to avoid conflicts and clashes of interests sometimes. 2005-06-06 11:21 pm so what is the purpose of debian? its not to present the latest software hotch-potched together like mandrake or fedora does. is it to present a whole system that is known to work together? well, that may have been the case and may still be the case – but what is the probability of any combination of 15000 packages working well. testing that would take 150 years or more. so that can’t be the reasoning behind debian. so is it possible to have a system that is a “whole OS” not just a kernel that is known to work well – tested even? is it possible that this system may even perhaps contain recent software with modern functionailty? the anser is yes. the BSDs provde a kernel and userland that is quite well tested – as well as debian could hope to. and the software is recent. i would bet money on a netbsd 2.0.2 system than a debian 3.1r0 system for many server tasks. so how do the BSDs manage it? by aiming to provide a base system from which you can build whatever kind of server you wish, safe in the knowledge that the base is reasnably solid, and quite functional in a modern sense. so, what now for debian? * forget the 15000 packages * concentrate on a kernel and a small userland * this will be easier to test and quciker to release * let the user worry about the stability of 15000 contrib packages if they want them all to interoperate without a glitch why is this reasonable? because debian is a “meta” distribution. its not optimal for desktop use, but it is ideal as a bae for bespoke distros or systems. its not ubuntu and its not some specialist MPI clustering OS. its a base reference system. that’s what it does best. if the developers just concentrate on a relatively modern kernel, and a small essential “UNIX” userland – they’ll have a better product and it’ll be out more frequently. everyone will be happy! 2005-06-07 12:50 am http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY! 2005-06-07 1:55 am Debian is *NOT* a “product”, you dummy. 2005-06-07 4:33 am Oh yeah, Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 is out! It’s unbelievable that they finally made it. Like Distrowatch says, Sarge is the “biggest distribution release ever”. Congrats to the whole Debian community — the release team, developers, bug-reporters, Debian aficionados, and casual everyday Debian users! The Sarge release brings Debian on servers once more up-to-date but it still requires that X.org is ported to Debian before the nay-sayers start believing that one can use Debian on the desktop, too. This is more a matter of how our minds work than a technical fact of importance — on my hardware there is very little difference between XFree86 and X.org, but XFree86 is associated to be the older (and, hence, “obsolete”) version while X.org is what people think they just NEED to have. So let’s get X.org to Sid and suddenly we’ll realize that Debian is more up-to-date than Ubuntu. Debian is “Ubuntu done the right way” — The Debian Way. Heh, heh… I just can’t wait to see that happen! 2005-06-08 6:18 am I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade (/me usig sid) and now my top and bottom bars disappeared! Luckily with right clock on the desktop background I launched open terminal and I launched firefox from the command line. Hey Debian devels, I waited long time to have gnome2.10 and now, after months of frustrating waiting, I cannot use my desktop (no menus no bars) ? sorry needed to vent 😉 2005-06-09 7:21 am finally the sarge has been relesed. millions and millions of the sarge fans are chanting the sarge name sarge sarge sarge while they are downloading it.