According to this CNET report next week is the launch date for OpenSolaris.
“After having dipped a Solaris toe into the open-source waters last January, Sun Microsystems will take the full plunge next week. The company’s OpenSolaris effort will go live early next week, a Sun representative said.
OpenSolaris live next week
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Time for Jonathan and co in Sun to admit that open source doesnt suck then
References to where he said that please?
Alan.
give an invitation to the ‘show us the code’ guy…
I fear the onslought of the sun-bashing zealots. they will instill stupid comments and find faults where there are none.
See first comment, for example:
“Time for Jonathan and co in Sun to admit that open source doesnt suck then” By Amark (IP: —.hostnoc.net)
With all the code that Sun has donated to the OS community (OpenOffice.org, large parts of gnome, NIS, NFS etc.) I think there is little doubt that this comment was pure bullshit. And yet, it will stick, I am sure it will.
If I remember right – Jonathan said he hates GPL ( in support of CDDL) and that doesn’t mean OpenSource.
well i am waiting!
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With all the code that Sun has donated to the OS community (OpenOffice.org, large parts of gnome, NIS, NFS etc.)”
* open sourcing something is not any kind of donation.
* Sun requires copyright assignment for everything contributed to OO.o and hence they have a exclusive right to create a proprietary variant called Staroffice. They made patent agreements with Microsoft that specifically excludes OO.o.
* NFS and NIS specifications were made available by Sun. That has a good thing but nothing open source about that.
* GNOME is what I would call a true open source contribution but then they went ahead and forked it into Java Desktop system for Solaris obscuring and confusing the “Java” brand name but still GNOME contributions are very good
“poor” man wants donation.
Others want cooperation.
We’ll be switching our 150 servers over to OpenSolaris from Linux.
“They made patent agreements with Microsoft that specifically excludes OO.o.”
That’s wrong. The aggreement doesn’t specifically *include* OpenOffice.
Now it just waiting for the countless articles on how OpenSolaris will be the end of Linux
Why wait for OpenSolaris before upgrading servers? Solaris 10 has been available under a free (beer) license for ages…
We’ll be switching our 150 servers over to OpenSolaris from Linux.
That’s a pretty rash decision considering you haven’t even been able to test OpenSolaris yet. What does OpenSolaris offer you (that you need) that Linux does not? Is it really worth the cost?
“That’s wrong. The aggreement doesn’t specifically *include* OpenOffice.”
So. assuming that what you say is true. Why didnt then include it while backing the proprietary variant of it called staroffice?
“Woohooo. I can’t wait. All my servers are switching to Solaris. Why use a Unix copy (Linux) when you can use the real thing (Solaris).”
Unix is a trademark. anyone who pays for the certification from Open group can get it. In fact Caldera just did that for their Linux distro previously. Others arent interested to invest in something just for the “Unix” name. Solaris 10 is not certified for the name either. So its not more “real” Unix than Linux is.
http://www.unix.org/trademark.html
“Why wait for OpenSolaris before upgrading servers? Solaris 10 has been available under a free (beer) license for ages…”
You want freebies. Other wants Free and Open Source software
Time for Jonathan and co in Sun to admit that open source doesnt suck then
When did Scott or Jonathan ever say that opensource sucked? cite the statements, because all I have seen so far from Scott and Jonathan, are nothing buy praise and back patting for the hardwork done by OSS coders.
If I remember right – Jonathan said he hates GPL ( in support of CDDL) and that doesn’t mean OpenSource.
He never stated that eiher. He *MIGHT* have questioned the GPL from the business point of view, or how SUN would like to base its business around OpenSolaris value added services, but he has never stated that he hates GPL – then again, how on earth can a person hate a licence? its just words and legal gobby-goop.
Unix is a trademark. anyone who pays for the certification from Open group can get it. In fact Caldera just did that for their Linux distro previously. Others arent interested to invest in something just for the “Unix” name. Solaris 10 is not certified for the name either. So its not more “real” Unix than Linux is.
Solaris is a UNIX98 certified UNIX, and has been for quite some time. Please, stop spreading, fud, and get ‘clued in’ on the realities of Solaris rather than mindlessly ranting off verbal diarrhoea.
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He never stated that eiher. He *MIGHT* have questioned the GPL from the business point of view, or how SUN would like to base its business around OpenSolaris value added services”
Thats good PR. value added services around CDDL?. I cant wait. Its a subscription model. Organisations can very well do it around GPL too. so why did he trash talk the license and claim silly things around developing countries?
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Solaris is a UNIX98 certified UNIX, and has been for quite some time”
Note that Unix trademark names are release based and Caldera was the company that donated it to opengroup and did certify its Linux platform.
http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2002/02/28/caldera.html
So if its a question of standards, Linux supports the same standards as any other “real” Unix out there. If any distribution wanted the “Unix” trademark then they will have pay the opengroup which IMO is a bad and namesake investment
sorry the offtopic, but could you guys tell me what type of kernel does solaris use? micro or monolithic? what about the others major OS’s? windows, freebsd, darwin, netbsd, openbsd, solaris, linux, etc, etc just to see if i get this straight once and for all.
I believe they all use monolithic kernels, with the exception of Darwin, which is a bit of a funny one.
BeOS and QNX use microkernels, I think.
Solaris uses monolithic kernel, of course. just like almost everybody else.
BeOS doesnt use micro-kernel, but QNX does.
The trademark is UNIX not Unix. When I said linux is a Unix clone, I wasn’t talking about a trademark. Please quit trying to spread misinformation.
>> “We’ll be switching our 150 servers over to OpenSolaris from Linux.” <<
Abraxas responded: “That’s a pretty rash decision considering you haven’t even been able to test OpenSolaris yet. What does OpenSolaris offer you (that you need) that Linux does not? Is it really worth the cost?”
I would have to agree with Abraxas with this one. The ideal “goal” may be the conversion of 150 servers to OpenSolaris. When the “real” should be to test the software first. Deploy a “test-phase” system. Then deploy a full-time “limited” production system. Then if all-goes-well, then ramp out a full server deployment.
Oh well, experience has taught me the above so well.
This has been a long time coming. I wonder if this will actually help them again Linux? I suspect not.
Sun, PLEASE. Quit telling us about doing it and just do it. Thanks.
I agree. I wish people would quit talking about something that doesn’t exist. Sun needs to put up or shut up.
Whatever dude. Sun contributed a TON of USEFUL software to the Unix (include here Linux) community, stuff that people actually USE, unlike IBM’s bullshit.
Let’s see, how many use NFS, Gnome, OpenOffice, NetBeans? I use several of these, every day. Most Unix users do. Even if Sun the company goes away, their name is firmly estabilished for many decades to come, in several of these ubiquitous products.
>> “We’ll be switching our 150 servers over to OpenSolaris from Linux.” <<
I wonder if you really have over 150 servers?
Solaris is a UNIX98 certified UNIX, and has been for quite some time. Please, stop spreading, fud, and get ‘clued in’ on the realities of Solaris rather than mindlessly ranting off verbal diarrhoea.
We are talking about OpenSolaris. OpenSolaris is a different operating system compared to Solaris 10. I don’t think you can assume that OpenSolaris is a certified UNIX just because Solaris is.
‘sorry the offtopic, but could you guys tell me what type of kernel does solaris use? micro or monolithic? what about the others major OS’s? windows, freebsd, darwin, netbsd, openbsd, solaris, linux, etc, etc just to see if i get this straight once and for all.’
Solaris is a monlithic Unix kernel. The difference being that it has lots of kernel threads which is why it does so well on SMP hardware.
Our company already tested and worked out our conversion steps. Not big deal, but we will be converting all of our Linux machines to OpenSolaris.
Why: We are getting tired of recompiling drivers, only being able to use specific version of the kernel that our vendors support, etc…
I’m not saying that Linux sucks. I’m sure it will always be more popular then Solaris, but not for us.
<quote>Solaris is a monlithic Unix kernel. The difference being that it has lots of kernel threads which is why it does so well on SMP hardware.</endquote>
Lots of kernel threads != good SMP performance. Things like low contention, high bandwith interconnect, intelligent scheduling, etc equate to good SMP performance. The system has to be designed for high performance at both the hardware and software level.
I’m a long-time Linux user (and just about every UNIX and UNIX-like OS out there). I’ve been using Linux since the wooley pre 1.0 days (anyone remember ka9q networking?) when most of the current Linux users hadn’t even heard of it yet and I’ve been using BSD for nearly 20 years. I like Linux and I use Linux where it is the best fit. Some of my clients demand nothing but Linux. One client told me that he would gladly pay Red Hat $2,500 for Linux even if he had a free license and support for Solaris. Another client is in denial that his biggest Linux Oracle server goes down more often than Monica Lewinsky; he keeps repeating to himself, Linux runs on $Million servers therefor everything has to work in it. I try to tell him that every platform I’ve ever used has some glaring weaknesses but he refuses to believe that Linux can be anything but perfect. Some Linux users will not consider any other OS because Linux is so hip now. Even if a big Sun server is cheaper and better for their purpose they will spend countless hours trying to get a Linux on Intel solution to work when the Sun would almost be a turn-key solution. Until the aura around Linux wears off a bit nothing will be able to compete with it for mindshare.
I wish people would quit talking about something that doesn’t exist. Sun needs to put up or shut up.
hmm.. if everybody doing so, ‘put up or shut up’,
it will be a world full of “Surprise!”
😀
p.s.
and we will never have either LOTR or Star Wars
lol
Ive been using linux (redhat, debian) for over 5 years, ive grown accustomed to how the system works- but when i heard late last year the sun was open sourcing solaris, i knew it was time for me to get a copy of solaris 9 (now solaris 10) and begin learning a new system-
hopefully if this news is true by next week i will be upgrading my linux systems to opensolaris and i will already be familiar with how to setup solaris containers, and use Dtrace to tune my systems for best performance.
Linux users (net admins) who are serious about IT should really be thinking about how to take advantage of this great opportunity. With a bit of time, you’ll see that Solaris can handle just about any job and do it better than Linux.
The kids… well i guess you can play with your little linux boxes and think ur some kind of kool hAcKer or whatever…
I can’t wait until there will be a Debian/Opensolaris.
I know, it probably will never be, but I really think those two would make an excelent combination.
I will continue to use GNU/Linux on my servers. GNU/Linux has gone through a 10+ year review of source-code in the public eyes and has made substantial gains in the areas of performance and functionality — even suprassing Solaris. GNU/Linux has the support of H-P, Intel, IBM, etc…
This appears to be a last ditch and foolish effort to build a community around Solaris, a move Sun made too late.
Redhat and SUSE GNU/Linux are the big and growing names in UNIX servers — not Solaris, ironically.
And Linux “surpassing” Solaris is based on what?
For the “show us the code” crowd, they do have a point. Sun has been telling us “Q2” for a while now, but until just now hasn’t given a date to the actual release, let alone any indication that they would make their Q2 promise. If Sun wanted to garner more excitement about OpenSolaris, they probably could have done a better job of communicating dates. Testimonial from early testers, along with blog screenshots is nice, but everyone was in the dark to when we’d actually get our hands on it, until now.
Any chance we’ll be seeing a live cd so as to check hardware compatiblity before buying the cds?
I will continue to use GNU/Linux on my servers. GNU/Linux has gone through a 10+ year review of source-code in the public eyes and has made substantial gains in the areas of performance and functionality — even suprassing Solaris. GNU/Linux has the support of H-P, Intel, IBM, etc…
These sound like the same arguments Windows guys were making to Linux evangelists. Those guys said was foolish for businesses to depend on Linux which wasn’t enterprise or desktop ready.
Now you Linux guys are beginning to act like the establishment. Looks to me that OpenSolaris is now the new hotness and Linux is old and busted
OpenSolaris is obviously not just Solaris 10 plus source CD. Significant rewrites need to be made and open source equivalents need to be exchanged for technologies Sun does not own in full.
I would say Sun is rushing OpenSolaris to market more than anything else. It takes time to write these solutions and it takes even longer to ensure compatibility and reliability. I will be keeping my Solaris 10 install for a few more months until the second OpenSolaris release.
I am also wondering how Sun intends to handle software such as Sun JDS and StarOffice. Will these be included in OpenSolaris or will we be restricted to Blastwave.org packages? Also, if Java is not included in the source install does that mean there will be no Java administration tools? Or will they be there but useless until you install the JDK?
“We are talking about OpenSolaris. OpenSolaris is a different operating system compared to Solaris 10. I don’t think you can assume that OpenSolaris is a certified UNIX just because Solaris is.”
OpenSolaris == Solaris == UNIX
Sun isn’t stupid enough to fork their own operating system. Development from OpenSolaris will work its way into the “stable” releases every two years (Solaris 11, Solaris 12, etc.).
These sound like the same arguments Windows guys were making to Linux evangelists. Those guys said was foolish for businesses to depend on Linux which wasn’t enterprise or desktop ready.
I did not say or imply Solaris was not enterprise ready. This is not a similar arguement because Windows was never open-source.
“And Linux “surpassing” Solaris is based on what?”
based on the several facts
* Sun engineers has referred to Linux being the “standard” platform various times. Just an example
http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/webmink/20050530
” Apache is at the very high end of the scale, on average exhibiting excellent behaviour. Their governence rules are very effective. Apache and the Linux kernel set the Gold Standard.
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* Sun wants to offer a compatibility environment for Linux.
* It is talking about open sourcing solaris only because Linux is much ahead in the market and its losing big time in conversions to Linux. Just ask IBM or any other Linux vendor their conversation rate from solaris
* It is marketing this program heavily as targetted against Linux.
* High level executives within Sun trash talk Linux(now shifts to Red Hat) and GPL because thats what Linux is licensed under.
and so on
“OpenSolaris == Solaris == UNIX ”
Incorrect.
OpenSolaris is the open sourcing of parts of solaris that Sun has been talking about for quite a few years.
Solaris is a proprietary operating system and will continue to have proprietary parts that will never be open sourced due to “IP ” issues. Other parts will probably remain proprietary like “Trusted solaris” for business reasons
Unix is a trademark of opengroup that is granted to anyone who passes their posix and others standards compliance tests and pays them for the branding per release
Serving up web pages is not the only reason to pick one OS over another, and if it is then you need to get a clue. And let’s forget all of the overhyped “conversion” crap? Or is that the limit of the technical reasons to switch to Linux, hardly a reason for me to toss several million dollars of hardware out the window to replace them with x86 boxes running Linux.
Explain to me why I would want to use an OS that scales only to 64 CPU’s “in the lab” for SMP? Why would I want to use an OS that process accounting is essentially a “beta” product? And if I was to use ELSA, I would do so at “my own risk” because RedHat would no longer support the OS after I recompiled the kernel to support ELSA (and I am sure that is the case with SuSe and Mandriva as well). For that matter why should I have to recompile any kernel, Sun dumped that when they EOL’ed SunOS.
It seems to me that features I use every day in Solaris (and I am talking about Solaris 8) are not a part of Linux! And Linux is supposed to be better than Solaris how?
And finally, let’s not waste time speculating what Sun will or will not do in regards to OpenSolaris until they bring it out.
Can’t wait to see the source and the build system, assuming they’re releasing something complete enough to build.
Are you for real, or just another troll? You more than likely would not have to compile anything into OpenSolaris if it comes with process accounting, just like Solaris does. So again I ask why would I want to use an OS that I have to wait for the features I need to do my job to make it into the Linux kernel? Or don’t you do performance monitoring of your systems?
And why would I switch to OpenSolaris when I am already running Solaris?
My point is valid about compiling kernels and support, when we have a problem we want a fix, and that is what you pay for with support. And there is nothing like paying for something and having your hands tied behind your back by the vendor.
Example:
Monitor systems for CPU/memory utilization with low overhead
Solaris: enable sar and system accounting
RedHat: install sysstat
Result:
Solaris: full accounting of system and application CPU and memory utilization in detail
RedHat: CPU and memory utilization for the system only
Am I annoying, or are you just upset that I can point out specific shortcomings with Linux that Solaris just doesn’t have. And unlike you I can say what I like about an OS or application without the petty insults.
Serving up web pages is not the only reason to pick one OS over another, and if it is then you need to get a clue.
Serving web pages and running file shares is what the vast majority of servers our there do. Linux does that very well which is why it’s widely used. You’re poo pooing away most of the market.
And let’s forget all of the overhyped “conversion” crap? Or is that the limit of the technical reasons to switch to Linux, hardly a reason for me to toss several million dollars of hardware out the window to replace them with x86 boxes running Linux.
Companies like Goldman Sachs and Amazon aren’t using Linux because IBM says it’s a good thing to use. They’re using it because it works. Success stories like that are very convincing when it comes to selling products.
Explain to me why I would want to use an OS that scales only to 64 CPU’s “in the lab” for SMP?
Yes, because everyone buys 64+ CPU systems. Oh wait, no they don’t. That’s why there is not one company out there making money on those systems anymore. If you’re not running a 64 CPU system (which is by far the vast majority of us) then you’re argument doesn’t matter.
Why would I want to use an OS that process accounting is essentially a “beta” product?
And if you’re in the niche that needs this, use something that has it. You’re just repeatedly pointing out the reasons that Sun is having trouble, people just don’t use that stuff.
And if I was to use ELSA, I would do so at “my own risk” because RedHat would no longer support the OS after I recompiled the kernel to support ELSA (and I am sure that is the case with SuSe and Mandriva as well).
Whereas Sun will support you no matter what kind of random alpha or beta code you add to the kernel that you downloaded from the internet?
For that matter why should I have to recompile any kernel, Sun dumped that when they EOL’ed SunOS.
And yet they’re bringing it back full steam with OpenSolaris because Linux is eating their lunch.
It seems to me that features I use every day in Solaris (and I am talking about Solaris 8) are not a part of Linux! And Linux is supposed to be better than Solaris how?
Linux does the things that people actually use servers for and it does them well. It runs on x86 systems (you know, 90+% of the market) signficantly better then anything that Sun released before Solaris 10. And even now, it looks like Solaris 10 is only about the same speed as Linux. The fact that you and a few dozen other people need that stuff means you should be using something that supports it, that isn’t a slight against Linux though. I’m sure the people building PDAs and phones can give you a list of things that Solaris doesn’t support which makes it impossible for them to use. I’m sure you would say that those dozen PDA and phone makers should be using something that fits their needs.
And finally, let’s not waste time speculating what Sun will or will not do in regards to OpenSolaris until they bring it out.
Yes, based on their past track record, speculating about what they may do in the future is just too depressing for me to stomach.
OpenSolaris == Solaris == UNIX
That is incorrect. Solaris 10 may be a certified UNIX but that does not mean that OpenSolaris is a certified UNIX. Significant portions of Solaris had to be rewritten for OpenSolaris to avoid any license issues. OpenSolaris will have to get certified seperately if SUN wants it to be considered a true UNIX.
This statement right here confirms you are nothing more than a troll “And if you’re in the niche that needs this, use something that has it. You’re just repeatedly pointing out the reasons that Sun is having trouble, people just don’t use that stuff.” What, you don’t do performance montoring of your systems? BSD, Solaris and HP-UX have used system accounting for years, so why if Linux is supposed to be “so advanced” why is that something as simple as system accounting is something that is now being considered for addition?
And since when does x86 servers comprise “90% of the market”? Get real!
And I could really care less if Solaris runs on a PDA, that is a pointless and dumb argument. Why would Sun waste their time developing an OS for a PDA?
Have you ever used Solaris, or are you one of the many who just complain about an OS without actually using it?
obviously they love open source, they HATE THE GPL as I think its viral and horrible for businesses. dont reply with some rant argueing otherwise
“Why wait for OpenSolaris before upgrading servers? Solaris 10 has been available under a free (beer) license for ages…”
As a Solaris admin, I have to say that Solaris is unnecessarily a PITA to admin. I’m not talking about GUI configuration at all, though. The basic tools, with a few very much appreciated exceptions, suck. That’s why the first thing I do after being told to adminstrate a system is to install the GNU tool chain. Most other Solaris admins I know do the same.
Just as Netscape Navigator and StarOffice bit the big one prior to being open sourced, Solaris itself needs a hell of a lot of work.
I have no doubt that it will happen and Solaris will be that much the better for it. Solaris is unix, and every OS except for Windows it seems is unix-based these days or will be shortly.
“Until the aura around Linux wears off a bit nothing will be able to compete with it for mindshare.”
Agreed. All I care about (well, mostly) is that the OS is unix-based (tools, layout, ‘everythings a file’). Right now, that’s just about every OS out there not counting Windows.
Pick the right tool for the job. Usually, on the OS side, there is some flavor of unix that is the right tool.
And what do you do that requires GNU tools? Just curious.
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For that matter why should I have to recompile any kernel, Sun dumped that when they EOL’ed SunOS.
And yet they’re bringing it back full steam with OpenSolaris because Linux is eating their lunch.
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You absolutely do not need to recompile the kernel to support additional modules, drivers, even drivers for boot devices, etc. And that will remain so with OpenSolaris as well. You can take a binary driver compiled for Solaris 7 and if it’s truely DDI compliant, drop it right in to Solaris 10/OpenSolaris.
This statement right here confirms you are nothing more than a troll “And if you’re in the niche that needs this, use something that has it. You’re just repeatedly pointing out the reasons that Sun is having trouble, people just don’t use that stuff.” What, you don’t do performance montoring of your systems?
Ah yes, call someone a troll because you don’t like what they have to say. It’s nice that you didn’t respond to any of my other statements either. But yes, I do performance monitoring of my systems, but rarely at the OS level beyond “am I out of CPU” or “am I out of RAM”. I need to deal with the performance of the applications running on the server and those applications provide the performance data I need themselves. Really, it’d be no different running on OS X, Windows, Solaris, or Linux.
BSD, Solaris and HP-UX have used system accounting for years, so why if Linux is supposed to be “so advanced” why is that something as simple as system accounting is something that is now being considered for addition?
Because the people using Linux haven’t considered it a priority? The neat thing about Linux (and OSS in general) is the stuff that people actually want and use gets written. The marketting fluff that sales people want doesn’t. Apparently, lots of people have been able to succesfully run Linux without these features that you so desperately need. Again, that doesn’t make Linux bad, it just fills a different need. I also don’t see people touting Linux as “so advanced” (I certainly didn’t in my post). All I said is that it has the features to meet the needs of the people using it.
And since when does x86 servers comprise “90% of the market”? Get real!
Unless you live in some alternate reality I don’t know why you’d even be disputing that. I mean, Dell sells more servers in a month then Sun does in a year. HP’s server sales are almost exclusively x86. SGI’s killed their MIPS systems for x86. I think you need to get real.
And I could really care less if Solaris runs on a PDA, that is a pointless and dumb argument. Why would Sun waste their time developing an OS for a PDA?
Why should Linux developers waste their time on features that their users aren’t asking for? You act like it’s 1995 and Linux hasn’t already proven itself a hundred times over. It’s not the right tool for everything, but then again, no OS is. But it’s certainly the right tool for a lot of jobs, and those jobs tend to be the ones people actually are using, not worrying about 64 CPU systems.
Have you ever used Solaris, or are you one of the many who just complain about an OS without actually using it?
Where did I complain about Solaris? Are your purposefully trying to redirect this conversation away from the point that I was trying to make and that you didn’t even address?
“OpenSolaris will have to get certified seperately if SUN wants it to be considered a true UNIX.”
Okay, OpenSolaris might not be UNIX(TM) at day one, but it will be, because it has to be. Before Sun rolls code from OpenSolaris into a Solaris 10 quartery update or into Solaris 11, it will have to be certified for Sun to keep people happy.
Are you for real, or just another troll?
um… I think we should have another poll. Who here do you think is trolling?
So again I ask why would I want to use an OS that I have to wait for the features I need to do my job to make it into the Linux kernel?
Do you really have to ask? I mean, didn’t I address this with my last post?
And why would I switch to OpenSolaris when I am already running Solaris?
If you’re already running Solaris why are you trying to compile ELSA into the RedHat Linux kernel? Couldn’t you do a google search to find a Linux distro that already included ELSA? I’m guessing your trying out Linux because Solaris isn’t working for you. Or you have a lot of free time to learn how to compile beta code into kernels, I don’t know.
ELSA stands for Enhanced Linux System Accounting.
Usually to enhance something you have to have something to begin with. And google says: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Process-Accounting/index.html. Oh, look at that. Process accounting for Linux since ’97.
If you have read any of my posts, we use both Solaris and RedHat Enterprise Linux at where I work. So I am not trying to compile ELSA into Solaris, I don’t need to since system accounting is part of the OS.
And no I am not trying to get rid of Solaris, it works rather well for us.
I want more information than sysstat will provide on RHEL, but I am also not willing to nuke our support to get it. So I have to settle for sysstat.
Or keep spouting FUD..
this is fun.
OpenSolaris is the open sourcing of parts of solaris that Sun has been talking about for quite a few years.
From June 2, 2004
http://news.com.com/Sun+warms+to+open+source+for+Solaris/2100-7344_…
The company’s president and chief operating officer, Jonathan Schwartz, said here Wednesday that Sun plans to give its proprietary Solaris server operating system an open-source flavor, but he declined to give a timetable for the shift.
“I don’t want to say when that will happen,” Schwartz said in a press conference in conjunction with the company’s SunNetwork conference. “But make no mistake: We will open-source Solaris.”
I hope you haven’t been waiting for the open sourcing of Solaris “for quite a few years”. It’s only been announced for about a year now?!?
Decided to come out from behind the anonomizer?
I had no idea that not filling in my name because I wasn’t on my computer meant that I was behind an anoymizer.
Why should I bother responding to your troll?
I guess since you haven’t responded to most of what I said that you don’t bother.
Anyone who has anything negative to say about Linux here gets blasted by you and people like you. You come up with the same tired arguments and twist conversations to your liking and then have the audacity to blame others for doing what you do so well.
You get blasted because you say the same things every time. It’s not my fault if you choose to make arguments which don’t stand up to dispute. Also, could you please point out where I’ve tried to twist a discussion? Would you also care to point out where I’m incorrect or bad mouthed Solaris in any way?
It wouldn’t be so bad if it was actually a technical discussion, but it isn’t. You waste no time in spewing the same FUD that all the other Linux zealots here toss around.
Which FUD was that? Was it that no one makes any money selling 64 CPU systems? Was it that people work on what they need and that why Linux doesn’t support the stuff you’re talking about? Or was it me saying that different tools fill different needs and if your needs actually are for 64 CPU systems you shouldn’t be using Linux? Cause I said all of that (and several other perfectly non FUD things) which you choose not to respond to. Unless calling me a troll and saying I’m spreading FUD is responding.
Never mind the topic here is OpenSolaris, you guys have to say something negative about Sun at every turn and then bitch when somebody treats “your favorite OS” in the same manner.
Would you please point out where I said anything negative about OpenSolaris? How about something negative I’ve said about Solaris? Cause you seem perfectly happy to spout off about Linux but when someone questions your comments you get your panties in a twist.
And I am sure you will have something to say, don’t bother because I won’t be coming back to read it.
You go ride your high horse back to where you came from then. If you come back, try responding to some of the points I’ve made instead of crying like a baby that everyone doesn’t agree with you. And if you don’t want to talk about Linux then don’t, I didn’t bring it up, I responded to you.
OpenSolaris is a standard of which Sun Solaris will be a distribution. Sun have a well established plan to give over control of the OpenSolaris standard to the community. They are being prudent with it and I think that is the best approach. Sun have also had to make sure all the code released under the CDDL doesnt break any other licence.
OpenSolaris supports multiple licensing, so you could release your code under CDDL and BSD for example, the only condition being it doesnt break the rules of either licence.
“He never stated that eiher. He *MIGHT* have questioned the GPL from the business point of view, or how SUN would like to base its business around OpenSolaris value added services”
Thats good PR. value added services around CDDL?. I cant wait. Its a subscription model. Organisations can very well do it around GPL too. so why did he trash talk the license and claim silly things around developing countries?
Well, have a look at the CDDL; there is reason they chose that licence model over GPL. Microsofts IP, implementing it into SUN products, Microsoft not likeing GPL all that much – there is a reason for the madness.
As for what Johnny said; hes a spokes person for the company, he was simply putting out that his company believes that the CDDL is the best licence for how they want to deliver their products in future.
Instead of bad mouthing the licence, why not sit back and see how things go? Personally, I don’t think that there will be a winner of loser out of the opensourcing of Solaris – will be winners all around.
“Solaris is a UNIX98 certified UNIX, and has been for quite some time”
Note that Unix trademark names are release based and Caldera was the company that donated it to opengroup and did certify its Linux platform.
http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2002/02/28/caldera.html
So if its a question of standards, Linux supports the same standards as any other “real” Unix out there. If any distribution wanted the “Unix” trademark then they will have pay the opengroup which IMO is a bad and namesake investment
No, the UNIX trademark is only given out to those operating systems have have been tested and passed all the tests required to be able to be called a UNiX. AIX is UNIX 2003 compliant, Solaris is UNIX98. Both don’t call their products UNIX because they wish to differentiate themselves. Imagine if IBM called AIX, “IBM UNIX” – not exactly an eye capturing name, is it?
As for Linux, it doesn’t support *EVERY* part of the UNIX standard (the obscure, and rarely used parts). Even so, its of no loss to LInux – everyone knows its a low cost UNIX.
As for the point of UNIX certification – when purchasing large systems, companies can feel confident knowing that their UNIX systems will work together nicely and that important, in house writen applications can be ported between UNIX’s easily.
Please note that Linux does scale way above 64 processors. SGI not only proved that it does but it also sells such systems: the Altix.
Quotes from http://www.sgi.com/products/servers/altix/
Scaling to 512 Itanium 2 processors in a single node, Altix 3700 Bx2 is SGI’s newest and most powerful Linux solution for high performance computing. Altix 3700 Bx2 leverages the powerful SGI® NUMAflex™ global shared-memory architecture to derive maximum application performance from new high-density CPU bricks. The latest configuration also doubles available bandwidth between Altix bricks with SGI’s NUMAlink™ 4 interconnect technology—the industry’s fastest at 6.4GB/sec and less than 1 microsecond MPI latency. Each node in an Altix 3700 system can contain 16 to 512 processors, up to 6 terabytes of global shared memory, and 48 XIO™ buses; and delivers over 3 gigabytes per second of sustained I/O bandwidth.
See that? 512 Itanics 2 in just one system!
And for those poopooing Linux in favor os Solaris, please take a look over here: http://www.sun.com/software/linux/compatibility/lxrun/
It doesn´t says very well of Solaris when Linux source and binary compatibility is a touted FEATURE of Solaris. Again, that´s understandable because Sun knows where it is going with its products. They´ll have to fight back that instaled base that moved to Linux a long time ago because of Linux maturity besides trying to get new customers into their camp. They need to be sure that some software that might be Linux-only can run on their OS to win such customers back. Its just to show to its fanboys that Linux DEFINETELY can´t be THAT FAR behind Solaris.
Please note that I don´t want to trash Solaris because I´m certain that it is a GREAT system and I´m planning to dedicate some time to learn it soon. I just expect that when the Sun fanboys start to spread FUD about Linux (or even well founded critics), they at least try to get their facts straight.
Cheers,
DeadFish Man
I bet it’s not a coincidence that it will happen at the same time as the Fedore release.
Trolls everywhere I look.