Home > Mozilla, Gecko > Mozilla-based Netscape 7 PR Debuts Mozilla-based Netscape 7 PR Debuts Eugenia Loli 2002-05-22 Mozilla, Gecko 21 Comments “Netscape 7.0 is the latest version developed around a technology called Gecko, which was created by the AOL-funded Mozilla open source browser movement. Will it lure consumers back from Microsoft?” Read the article at ZDNews. About The Author Eugenia Loli Ex-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker. Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli 21 Comments 2002-05-22 9:33 pm I am testing it as we speak, it faster than the older versions and seems to be a lot more stable, but the preference panel needs some more tidying up before full release. The sidebar has improved in stability as well, but I can admit the initial prompting was rough, but after getting it up and running I have had no problems since. I am using the IM client chatting with a friend right now! 2002-05-22 10:16 pm All Netscape 7 RC1 is Mozilla 1.0 RC1 repackaged with AOL CRAP and the gui chaged to reflect “netscape.com” oriented material. Other than the pop disabler being taken out nothing is different. I am not attacking Netscape just letting users know what exacly it is. Anything to compete with Microsoft is a plus. I look at it like the less of two evils. I’ll still stick with Mozilla. 2002-05-22 10:18 pm Are there any real reasons to use Netscape over Mozilla? I guess if you used AIM then it might come in handy to use NS but for the average user (like myself) what does NS offer me other than extra AOL stuff I’d rather not have? Also you can use updated mozilla builds long before the NS release uses it, so as far as I can tell mozilla is the way to go. 2002-05-22 10:22 pm I’m posting this from the latest Stripzilla for BeOS and on the whole I’m really impressed. Congratulations to the people who’ve worked hard on this – it really shows and I never thought it would happen. A good, compatable (if not really fast) browser for BeOS has truly arrived. On Windows, I now use Mozilla (and possibly soon Netscape 7) instead of IE when IE is not *absolutely* required, which is unfortunately sometimes the case. I can’t see it replacing Opera as my main Browser though – I’m too addicted to guesture commands and all the other myriad of useful features I’ve not yet found elsewhere. I once thought IE was – despite my anti-MS prejudice – the best browser around. That ain’t the case any more, IMHO. 2002-05-22 10:27 pm As long there is Mozilla, I will never use Netscape under Unix. I am using IE 6 under XP anyway. 2002-05-22 10:31 pm There is at least 1 Mozilla plugin for gestures: http://optimoz.mozdev.org/gestures/ 2002-05-22 10:58 pm I have this gesture plugin and it seems to be a bit flaky compared to the Opera gestures under Win2k. Frequently when doing the close window gesture it will close 2 windows or 2 tabs at once. One fix I found was to set the gesture area to a much wider size 75×75 rather than the default 15×15 pixels. Still, I only really use gestures to close windows and move backwards and fowards so its not a huge issue. The anti-popup/popunder feature in Mozilla is great 😉 2002-05-22 11:57 pm becasue they have value added features like free integrated webmail/AOL accounts, integrated AIM/ICQ, Integrated Maps/Direction services by mapquest, integrated Movie ticket service, etc. one thing I see that they need to tidy up, the set up wizards and other windows that pop up to set stuff up need to be tuned better to perfectly fit the buttons, text and feilds, they get cut off some times…ever so slightly however. also, I wish they would have 3 versions. an XGL, or what ever it is called, interface, a win32 interface, and an aqua interface. I wish that becasue then the 2 biggest most integrated systems will be able to offer their services to NS/MZ. also, My scroll pad would work!!!!! seriousely, what doe sit hurt to have those 3 interfaces? 2002-05-23 12:02 am the message “why Netscape? I know why” was me…I just got NS 7rc1 and forgot I did not have cookies for OS news yet 2002-05-23 2:30 am AOL releases new version (8.0 is it?) that uses gecko by default…. 30 million, with an M, users usin mozilla based browser…hehe…now, to top it off(and this is a strech) apple adopts netscape as its default browser…how many ppl. have macs? well, thats 30 mill + a whole lot of mac users = swift kick in MS’ ass 🙂 2002-05-23 3:39 am Nicolas Farley posted that NS7 PR1 was just a rebranded Mozilla RC1. It is actually RC2 (which he noted in his title). mike sugested that Apple might switch to NS7 as the default browser. This is unlikely for several reasons. Apple’s relationship with Microsoft and their reliance on MS Office. Mozilla/NS7’s inadaquacy on the platform (It uses poor CFM calls with a bad interface. It is stable on X, but crashes a lot on 9. It is too slow, needs a new tool/buttonbar that fits with the OS – not just the striped classic version, needs to be able to properly identify which files to download – .dmg and .gz files often need to be downloaded by using the save link as or else the browser trys to display the file, forms butons/dropdown menus/other html elements need to be changed to fit in). Not to mention the new IE version due out in seven weeks for Mac OS X. That said I use Mozilla full time on X, but for the average user it isn’t ready for primetime (at least on the Mac). It isn’t bad, but there are rough edges and some places where a novice could get caught up. I like the browser, but OS X support was an afterthought for the project and contrary to Apple’s sugestions they decided to put their weight behind a port of the OS 9 version rather than porting the unix-style one under the FizillaMach project. The 9 version was never really that great (not bad though), but compared to the Linux verion it is woefully behind. 2002-05-23 4:18 am I’ve been using Mozilla since 0.9.6, however there has been one glaring omission that has really gotten to me. So far as I can see, there is no way of automatically alphabetizing your bookmarks menu (like the sort by name feature in IE). For me this is a big thing. Does Netscape 6 or 7 incorporate this functionality? Also, is there any way to get this for Mozilla (through some option in Moz that I have not found, or through some external program)? 2002-05-23 6:23 am Yes, there is a way. All you have to do is to click on the “Name” column header in order for the bookmars to be sorted by name, just like when browsing files in Windows. You can do it both in the sidebar and the bookmark manager (in which you can also sort by other criteria). 2002-05-23 7:22 am chi·me·ra n. 1) a) An organism, organ, or part consisting of two or more tissues of different genetic composition, produced as a result of organ transplant, grafting, or genetic engineering. b) A substance, such as an antibody, created from the proteins or genes or two different species. 2) An individual who has received a transplant of genetically and immunologically different tissue. 3) A fanciful mental illusion or fabrication. If you have a Mac, that’s where the action is… 2002-05-23 2:34 pm The lack of bookmark sorting has been a problem since the 4.x releases. I use Opera anyway for most of my web surfing needs. I lost faith in Netscape a long time ago….especially when I had to develop Java Server Pages for Netscape browsers…..can you say Nightmare 2002-05-23 2:43 pm >>AOL releases new version (8.0 is it?) that uses gecko by default…. 30 million, with an M, users usin mozilla based browser…hehe…now, to top it off(and this is a strech) apple adopts netscape as its default browser…how many ppl. have macs? well, thats 30 mill + a whole lot of mac users = swift kick in MS’ ass << …Suddenly Microsoft announces a new service pack or required security patch or new version of Windows that won’t work properly with the new AOL client; meanwhile MSN offers fantastic service plans and rebates to those who want to switch away from the (suddenly) very buggy AOL client for better service… 2002-05-23 5:29 pm …Suddenly Microsoft announces a new service pack or required security patch or new version of Windows that won’t work properly with the new AOL client; meanwhile MSN offers fantastic service plans and rebates to those who want to switch away from the (suddenly) very buggy AOL client for better service… Just one more reason to avoid these services altogether and get a real ISP. 2002-05-23 5:42 pm Sorry for the typo Sean! 2002-05-23 6:32 pm Using one of the usual M$ software flaw a random cracker change the os the AOL luser have installed… or AOL bundle an UPDATE AOL client with a new OS a new office suite and so on… (linux+OO+KDE3.0.1 or Gnome2.0+the usual rest) 2002-05-23 7:29 pm Wow, gestures for Mozilla? I didn’t know about that one…times are getting rough for you, C:program filesOpera! I really dig Opera, but Mozilla made impressive progress over the last 0.0.3 releases. On my machine, it does indeed react faster than IE now! 2002-05-24 6:47 am First test I did was using it to test our web application. It crashed instantly. It seems to be bases on the same codebase as Mozilla 0.9.9 that had exactly the same bug. I currently use Mozilla RC2 and it runs smoothly and without errors. I have exactly the same results in my Mozilla as in my Internet Explorer 6.