Home > Windows > Windows Vista Beta 1 Due TomorrowWindows Vista Beta 1 Due Tomorrow Thom Holwerda 2005-07-26 Windows 48 CommentsBeta 1 of Windows Vista, formerly known as Longhorn, will be released coming wednesday. The download will be available to beta testers an hour after the official announcement. About The Author Thom HolwerdaFollow me on Twitter @thomholwerda 48 Comments 2005-07-26 6:04 pm vinterblegThat was quick after the name announcement!– Simon 2005-07-26 6:15 pm rcsteinerMaybe we’ll get to see what the platform will really be able to accomplish. 🙂 2005-07-26 6:26 pm Lugee‘Maybe we’ll get to see what the platform will really be able to accomplish. :-)’It have features similar to what Tiger and Linux have but because Microsoft have put it in their OS they will call it innovation. 2005-07-26 6:31 pm TaterSaladAnd why is having features similiar to Tiger and Linux such a bad thing? 2005-07-26 7:55 pm >And why is having features similiar to Tiger and Linux such a bad thing?Having features similar to Tiger and Linux isn’t a bad thing. What sucks is that first MS tell us we will get all this cool stuff in 3 years. Then 5 years later they cancel almost all of the cool stuff but we are still waiting.I don’t think MS realy know where they want to go right now. 2005-07-26 8:54 pm CPUGuyNot one single feature has been ‘canceled’!WinFS is the only thing pulled form Vista, and it will be available for free by SP1. 2005-07-26 9:39 pm sappyvcvActually it will be available with the server version of Vista, which is scheduled for release 90-120 days after Vista. It is also likely to be available to download for free as an update to Vista users. 2005-07-27 1:18 am DamienCPUGuy, read the blog I linked to. 2005-07-27 1:46 am BryanWith all do respect, that blog entry is poorly written rubbish. There are certainly some technical facts in there, but overall it’s just another baseless rant written by another lonely soul on the Internet. Most of it was probably inspired by what the author read on ZDNet–or perhaps the Register.One thing that has become obvious having watched the buzz around Longhorn for a while is that people are too easily led to jump on rumors and follow up with kneejerk reactions. What’s truely sad is that this isn’t just limited to messageboard fanboys anymore, but it’s spread to so-called technology journalists. I’ve read articles that were literally just summaries of someone else’s blog post. Pathetic.I apologize if this is something of a polemic, but it becomes very frustrating when I see such asinine reactions to every piece of news–be it related to Microsoft, Linux, Apple, whatever. I like to stay informed, but the noise ratio is becoming ghastly.One last thing: I’m sorry if you feel I’ve singled out your post or the link you provided. It’s nothing personal, mate. I’m just a bit irritated by all of this. I’d love to see more objective, engaging dialogue about emerging technologies. 2005-07-27 2:32 am sappyvcvOk, you linked a random blog with speculation and totally BAD information. Where are the guys sources? Does he even have any? Come on, you can’t link the blog of a guy who obviously has some sort of vendetta. But just for you, I will debunk his claims.First he makes claims that Avalon, WinFS and MONAD might not make it because of Microsofts history. Oh come on, is that all he has? Please at least have SOMETHING substantial.It’s clear that WINFS and MONAD are _CLEARLY_BROKEN_ and they _BREAK_COMPATIBILITY_ in the OS rather significantly. What? Where did this come from?Jesus, I can’t even go on. This guy is concluding that all these different Vista components won’t make it based on speculation and the whole Cairo thing. So some blog idiots words actually mean something? No, they don’t. He may be right (I HIGHLY doubt he will be, MS would fuck themselves backwards doing that), but it’s all speculation with no basis in fact.Just think about it. Chances are that most of the developers working on Vista now weren’t around for the Cairo debacle. So why assume these new developers will make the same mistakes? Also remember that Bill Gates is now the CSA and Steve Ballmer is the CEO. Different roles, different results. 2005-07-27 3:18 am CPUGuyI did read it, and chose not to comment, as I had nothing nice to say about it Flat out, it’s just some idiot’s (yes, an IDIOT) speculation based on some apparent genetically encoded hatred towards Microsoft.It is PURE rubbish. 2005-07-26 6:32 pm Yet another chance for Microsoft to actually produce an operating system that is “Ready For The Desktop”. Hasn’t happened yet, and probably won’t happen with Vista either. 2005-07-26 7:32 pm jcontonioWell it’s a hell of a lot more ready than linux will ever be. 2005-07-26 7:41 pm orestesThat’s mildly amusing. Completely and totally contrary to reality, but amusing nonetheless. 2005-07-26 8:40 pm Why?Personally nothing on the market today is actually ready for the desktop. The function that these devices serve is useful enough that people have decided to put up with them. But just because people put up with them and buy them does not mean that they are good.Take the standard car analogy: When cars started selling on mass were they easy to use and maintain, were they safe? No, but people bought them because the function they served outweighed the pain. 2005-07-26 10:52 pm Anonymous Penguin“Well it’s a hell of a lot more ready than linux will ever be.”It depends. That is true if you are a total idiot. If you have some brain the opposite is true. 2005-07-26 6:45 pm smitty_one_eachRE: Innovation !!!!By TaterSalad on 2005-07-26 18:31:44 UTC in reply to “Innovation !!!!”And why is having features similiar to Tiger and Linux such a bad thing? 2005-07-26 6:48 pm Want to see what Windows will offer in 5 years? Buy a Mac today! 2005-07-26 7:18 pm Well, if programs worth running would run on a mac id buy one 2005-07-26 7:01 pm RodrigoWill it have the new UI, or just the mock one? 2005-07-26 7:13 pm pravdaThe anvil is now ready to be struck! 2005-07-26 7:16 pm Vista has nothing revolutionary to offer or get excited about. Microsoft has become too big for their own good and they are limited with their ability to innovate due to alienating their install base with new ways to use computers. Most people don’t like change and Microsoft has to account for that. I’ll stick with os x and win 2000. 2005-07-26 7:39 pm LumberghVista has nothing revolutionary to offer or get excited about. There’s nothing revolutionary about a clone of 35 year old operating system. Very few things in life are revolutionary.Microsoft has become too big for their own good and they are limited with their ability to innovate due to alienating their install base with new ways to use computers. Nobody innovates, but Gnome and KDE and Linux sure like to copy.Most people don’t like change and Microsoft has to account for that. I’ll stick with os x and win 2000.Yes, Microsoft should twiddle their thumbs because you’re happy with 2000. Oh right, nobody cares if you’re interested in Vista or not. You’re irrelevant. 2005-07-26 7:44 pm pravda25 2005-07-26 7:16 pm And it will the torrent streams in 5, 4, 3, 2… 2005-07-26 8:14 pm barkleyMicrosoft will continue to dominate the desktop and innovate and Linux will have something to copy off of. It’s good for everybody. 2005-07-26 8:31 pm PhilWell, I’m out of votes, so I guess I will reply.barkley said: “Microsoft will continue to dominate the desktop and innovate and Linux will have something to copy off of. It’s good for everybody.”As you might notice, if you try opening your eyes: Everyone copies off everyone else. Do you suppose IE7 tabbed browsing just arrived in a flash of inspiration to a man who had been sitting in a dark room for 5 years? Very few people innovate in major ways, at best they combine the best ideas of others with a novel new touch, this is how progress happens most of the time.Entertainingly, I once heard an MS rep describe C# as a microsoft version of java; I wonder how he explained that one back at the office. 2005-07-26 8:48 pm DamienI once heard an MS rep describe C# as a microsoft version of java; I wonder how he explained that one back at the office.Especially when MS are legally blocked from saying that .NET or C# are based on Java due to a court case a few years ago, which is most of the reason why more people don’t know that they <em>are</em> based on Java.Damien 2005-07-26 8:32 pm Its an operating system, thats all, nothing else. It makes me laugh to see all the fanboys come out swinging for thier favorite os. Geez, who cares. Go find yourselves a girlfriend and get out in the sun every once in awhile. 2005-07-26 9:58 pm Why does someone come onto a website called osnews to tell us all to get a life for talking about OSs?Does not compute, fellow nerd! 2005-07-26 8:31 pm bryhhhAccording to Microsoft, it will be released on Wednesday, however it will be next Wednesday (3rd August)http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/default.mspx 2005-07-26 8:33 pm >download will be available to beta testers an hour after>the official announcement.And 30 minutes later for the rest of us on USENET. 2005-07-26 8:46 pm Damienhttp://thebs413.blogspot.com/2005/07/nt-60-longhorn-technology-hast… 2005-07-27 12:04 am Oh my God! I get to check out the Vista through my Windows! Like MS is so chic. Die MS! DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2005-07-27 2:39 am According to Microsoft it should be made a punishable crime to use an operating system other than Windows. 2005-07-27 3:38 am redmI am ready to upgrade… to windows 2000. At my small organization we have windows 98 and xp. For practical business needs, at about the Windows 2k point I am having a hard time seeing the need.Having to re-boot 1/2 as much is the selling point?!I guess its all about the home market… 2005-07-27 5:40 am is of higher quality than any final release open-source product. Year after year, thats been my experience. 2005-07-27 6:01 am Windows has allways been a high prized bare bones OS.When are they going to integrate real burning software like nero or k3b (Linux),a dvd player,tv-card software etc..? 2005-07-27 2:58 pm MadDwarfAs soon as their lawyers tell them that they won’t get sued for anti-trust by Ahead, Pinnacle, etc …Microsoft getts attacked from both sides in the feature dept.Include an app, they are anti-competetive.Don’t include it, the OS is not as feature-filled as the competition. 2005-07-27 8:10 am raver31Windows has allways been a high prized bare bones OS.When are they going to integrate real burning software like nero or k3b (Linux),a dvd player,tv-card software etc..?did you forget about anti-competitive laws ? 2005-07-27 9:26 am did you forget about anti-competitive laws ?Of course not(good one:-).Then again would you think Apple could face similar when their marketshare increases?You couldn’t call OSX a bare bones OS with the best intentions in the world. 2005-07-27 9:32 am did you forget about anti-competitive laws ?Wouldn’t be any problem legally when MS would offer you the choice wether you eant to install certain software during install or not.What’s wrong with that?Nobody can force you to buy third party apps when there’re equivalent apps included with the OS now can they?Not that it matters that much to me since i abandoned the ship long time ago,though i have some interest in it. 2005-07-27 3:32 pm rajan rWouldn’t be any problem legally when MS would offer you the choice wether you eant to install certain software during install or not.What’s wrong with that?Nobody can force you to buy third party apps when there’re equivalent apps included with the OS now can they?Not that it matters that much to me since i abandoned the ship long time ago,though i have some interest in it.Quite on the opposite in fact – none of the court’s judgement sets a precedent allowing Microsoft at will to include applications with its operating system as if it was some second-grade Linux distribution as long the user can uninstall it (or choose not to install it). Section 1 of the Sherman Antitrust Act and Section 3 of the Clayton Antitrust Act is sufficiently vague to include this practice as tying (or “co-mingle”).But as for the suggestion that Microsoft makes such applications’ installation an option during the very installation of the operating system is quite ludicorous simply because most Windows users never would have to go through the Windows installation process. 2005-07-27 11:30 am I wonder what most people will think about all the stuff that’s in Vista. If it’s nothing remarkably better than what they have in XP, I doubt very many people will feel the need or desire to upgrade to it.Of course, with the sales of new computers, the system will penetrate the market, but to convince people to chuck the devil they know [or think they do] for something that will need a lot of kinks worked out of it…I really don’t know about how happy users will be to make the transition.The article was not good enough to make an informed decision as to whether that will be a good move or not. 2005-07-27 12:02 pm netpythonI wonder what most people will think about all the stuff that’s in Vista. If it’s nothing remarkably better than what they have in XPFor a lot of people it doesn’t matter that much and i doubt wether they are aware of alternatives.I think this will not change in generall at all when Vistas hit the shelves (bundles),not when the market-share doesn’t change significantly.I hope OSX on Intel will break the barrier for the rest so we reach more attention.As soon as more people are aware of the benefits of OSS the OS usage landscape could change into something more interesting. really don’t know about how happy users will be to make the transition.Do they have a choice when vista comes with a bought PC? 2005-07-27 2:33 pm It’s going to be hard to sell Vista to XP users. Since Avalon and IE7 will be available for XP! You just need to install MSN Search & MS AntiSpyware and you’re done.Vista will include other things like mabe better security, new drivers model and cute new GUI but that’s about it…Lets not forget that all those things are included in Apple OSX 10.4 and if something is missing, it will be included in 10.5 going out at about the same time as Vista…. So Vista will not have anything to make new Apple user switch back to Windows.And KDE looks good too. They have until late 2006 to get out with KDE 4.0 that is set to include many things Vista will have (GUI wise). Linux is allready more secure than XP. It only need to get a little bit more easyer for end users. And it need more driver support for common (new) hardware. 2005-07-27 2:44 pm The main point here is that Vista will be better then Debian GNU/Linux but for very small amount of time. Since Open Source projects evolve constanly, Debian will be better than Vista in, let’s say 1 month. 2005-07-27 3:10 pm MadDwarf“The main point here is that Vista will be better then Debian GNU/Linux but for very small amount of time. Since Open Source projects evolve constanly, Debian will be better than Vista in, let’s say 1 month.”1) Which version of Debian? Stable? Unstable? Testing?2) Better how? What will make it better?