The Open Source Development Labs, an industry consortium devoted to improving Linux, plans to launch an initiative Monday to bring the open-source operating system to mobile phones.
Linux Calling: Are Cell Phones Ready?
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It appears ready in Japan and China.
Very good answer!
…compared to Microsoft and Symbian. Eugenia wrote an article about this before, and was totally lambasted in the forums. Of course, she was right and the idiot zealots drove her off.
Mobile is the future
Your comment would be true if the effort only started now but OSDL is only launching such a initiative in hopes of consolidating and solidifying the various current efforts.
As recent as a few months back Nokia launched a new mobile using Linux a variation of the GNOME platform
http://www.maemo.org/
So this is not by far the first effort to put Linux in mobiles
“There are a set of economic and technical barriers that have prevented Linux from enjoying more market share across the total phone space,” Weinberg said. Economic barriers have included supporting the low-cost, integrated components used on lower-end phones, he said.
MS also was late in PDA arena and now PalmOS is dying…
Linux is attractive because there are no MS tax in every phone sold and you can make innovations because MS does not permit hardware companies to escape from “MS standard”. See all the PocketPC PDAs: all of them have the same operating system, with the same appearence and the same software.
“MS also was late in PDA arena and now PalmOS is dying…”
Pretty much a different situation though. MS was able to muscle their way into the PDA arena because of people were familiar with Windows, embedded Windows could run the same applications people were running on their PCs, and it also made transfering data back and forth between PCs and PDAs more natural. MS had a significant advantage of the PDA based on their already near total dominance of the desktop.
Linux, on the other hand, has no real advantage for the average consumer on cell phones. And since you brought up PDAs, Linux has been tried, and has largely failed on the PDA. Granted, interoperability between your cell phone and your PC is a lot less important than between your PDA and your PC, but the line between what is a cell phone and what is a PDA is becoming increasingly blurred all the time as well.
For a decade now I read the “Linux is ready for the Desktop” funny title line once in a while.
Now we’re going to have the “Linux is ready for the mobile” …
jesus …
It’s not a question of “ready” but “readiness”. How “ready” is Linux for usage X and uesrs {Z}. For checking your email and browsing the web, Linux has been there for years. For doing highend printing and digital photo editing Linux still needs some work (mainly overall support and fine tuning of highend printers).
Linux on Smartphones will be alot easier than on the Desktop. Actual smartphone companies are developing ready to ship products based ontop of embedded Linux, the majority of which are in Asia btw. The fact OSDL is producing a base standard for this effort is a great thing as it will create a starting point for new comers and cultivate some level of interoperability of code developed for the Linux Smartphones.
This is stupid. This is a ploy to extend FOSS into embedded devices through the use of the Linux name.
Don’t get me wrong, Linux is a great kernel for computers, but it isn’t small, portable, or light on resources. There are other, more suitable kernels for this purpose. NetBSD specifically comes to mind. Everything that one would run in userland (like QT or GTK+) will recompile for NetBSD and so an embedded device that uses the NetBSD kernel can still use any userland software from the FOSS world that runs on Linux.
The advantage that the Linux kernel has over other mature *NIX kernels is the number of hardware drivers for desktop and server computers it has. On a non-desktop/server platform, Linux’s advantages are gone and other smaller, more portable kernels are, frankly, JUST BETTER THAN LINUX and the OSDL is pushing Linux because they want to push the GPL, Linus works for them, and Linux has name-recognition – all of which are bad reasons (well, the GPL one is debatable, but the other two are terrible reasons). NetBSD is superior for this purpose and would be more easily accepted by handset manufacturers, but let’s be Buzzword Compliant.
Maybe with “Intel Inside” smart phones apple may jump onboard with darwin
Would take a lot of trimming to get Darwin inside a phone. Still, XScale is one sexy embedded platform.
Toaster powered by NetBSD. =)
Whether NetBSD is superior to Linux kernel and vice versa is subjective. The fact Linux kernel is used on many devices speaks itself: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT2478437967.html
Only problem with your lack of reality is :
http://tuxmobil.org/phones_linux.html
its already there , The OSDL came to be in 2000 , 9 years after GNU/Linux existed ( 1991 ) , its the same thing with cell phone , they came late to the party , there a lab they where created to foster GNU/Linux adoption and the corporate partner forming it see a need for them to expand in cell phones.
Reality is , GNU/Linux is small, portable, light on resources , faster then BSD’s and is licensed right. Most people mix kernel.org with what is the best GNU/linux as to offer , the BSD’s like to lie and make up story and take ultimo optimized Kernel and say ” GNu/linux vanilla kernel got beat by our ultimo crappy optimized kernel , then when the kernel devlopper and vendor optimized a kernel for the device and it make thing run 1 million time faster then BSD’s start winning something is rigued on the BSD’s kernel.
http://tuxmobil.org/mobile_bsd.html
lets be bulshit , lying , thief complaint and use BSD’s
BTW , there is absolutely nothing stopping you BSD’s idiot from doing the same thing as GNU/Linux :
1) Change your BSD’s license to be an equal to the GPL , its not at all at the moment it only favor the thief , someone with bigger ressource and money is always advantaged by it , because its no real Free software and not real Open Source and if your not Politicaly paid to say so you know why.
2) Create some real BSD’s channel that are Open Source
3) There is nothing stopping BSD’s from creating the NOSLFB ( Not Open Source Lab For BSD )
4) Nothing stopping BSD’s from asking the GNU/Linux cell phone maker if they could have access to build better BSD phone with the one already built for GNU/Linux to proove your theory , its not like you dont already take our stuff and make BSD run on it ( what an exploit wow ).
“Change your BSD’s license to be an equal to the GPL”
This is foolish. The BSD license is far more compatible with commercial interests (read cell phone vendors) than the GPL is. Why do you think MacOS X is based on FreeBSD and not Linux? Licensing has a lot to do with it.
Viral licenses just aren’t compatible with many commercial interests. And that’s the GPL is, is virus vehicle to propegate copies of the GPL license payload.
Yes, I am sure the GPL fanatics and zealots will vote this comment down. But that is only because they can’t stand the truth. And the truth is exactly what I said it is. The GPL is viral, and that is not compatible with commercial interest a large percent of the time.
Yes, I am sure the GPL fanatics and zealots will vote this comment down. But that is only because they can’t stand the truth. And the truth is exactly what I said it is. The GPL is viral, and that is not compatible with commercial interest a large percent of the time.
Moulineuuf is loony even for the GPL fascists. He claims that windows only has 65% of the desktop marketshare and 10% of the server space. He’s weak minded and has been indoctrinated thoroughly
“Moulineuuf”
I really like how you play with my real life name Anonymous. Copy paste is always broken on your system.
“the GPL fascists.”
Learn what a facist is moron , its not the same as people fighting for people to have rights where thief and liar usualy remove them or disregard them and for them ( the rights and individual ) to be equal for all like in a real freedom society.
“He claims that windows only has 65% of the desktop marketshare and 10% of the server space. ”
Actually I dont claim anything , I say things based on knowledge and accurate and proven figure ( my #1 Source is Microsoft own internal numbers BTW , why do you think they’re even acknoledging GNU/Linux at all , if , like you say they got 98% of the desktop , and aint loosing any marketshare at all ?? ). Microsoft Windows at its highest got 85% of the market that whas in 1999 – 2000. Today BSD’s are getting some market share 1-2% on the desktop , Apple is getting market share 6 – 7% , GNU/Linux is gaining market share 24% and the Other OS have 1 – 3%.
“He’s weak minded ”
If I where I would be agreeing with you in an anonymous minutes , you dont even know the meaning of almost all the word you use.
“and has been indoctrinated thoroughly”
GNU/Linux is not a doctrine nor is the FSF , Open Source and GPL either , they are the right thing to do in this day and age because the rest whas tried and it failed , and who’s idea’s time as come.
Now you can feel free to offer your million of non existing Cell phones running BSD to counter the one GNU/Linux as and are comming. You can also offer your source for your number about desktop market share.
Fastest way to shut me up is to Really show me as wrong , with hard data and facts , funny thing is it happen and when it does I say I whas wrong and apologize for it like a man but its not very often at all , I tend to double check what I say got to compensate for my lack of writting ability. It never happened with you at all.
“This is foolish.”
No , this is the only thing insightfull left to do if you ( the BSD’s , not Apple or Microsoft ) whant to make a comeback this decade.
“The BSD license is far more compatible with commercial interests (read cell phone vendors) than the GPL is.”
Man , are you guys delusionnals , and disconnected from reality , look up how many cell phone run Gnu/Linux , GNU/Linux / JAVA , and GNU/ Linux something else , etc already … there are 10 thousand models and newer one coming out or in preparation , the BSD’S is actually inferior to GNU/Linux due to the traitor effect and the closing of Source code in the derivatives and the work behing really done by the GNU/Linux developpers.
“Why do you think MacOS X is based on FreeBSD and not Linux?”
Because Apple like to close Open Source with the traitor effect in the BSD licenses , they dont understand Open Source at all , they like to take and give almost nothing back.
“Licensing has a lot to do with it.”
Its the only reason they use BSD at all.
“Viral licenses just aren’t compatible with many commercial interests”
Really Apple is worth 44.81 Billion , GNU/Linux company togheter are already worth 410 billion. Thats not including Dell , IBM , HP who does hardware for it I mean direct software maker and not the third party software makers either.
” And that’s the GPL is, is virus vehicle to propegate copies of the GPL license payload.”
No , it equal freedom , the GPL is not why GNU/Linux software propegate there the reason there defended.
The truth is BSD is only surviving today because GNU/Linux aint after it directly , If we started to enforce the GPL on the BSD project 90% of the new distribution are relasing GPL code under BSD , you CAN switch BSD code license , GPL you CANNOT unless your the one original autor who did the code and are dual licensing it from then on.
If GNU/Linux is incompatible commercially you need to tell the company like IBM , Dell , HP , Lexmark , archos , Disney , Pixar , Google etc who are all using it commerially.
the real truth is that for commercial endeavor GNU/Linux is better it remove the need to watch over your shoulder if your going to get screwed by a partner project with 100 time your finance and budget , they cant take it all and run with it and cut you out of the deal like they do on BSD’s project all the time.
“No , this is the only thing insightfull left to do if you ( the BSD’s , not Apple or Microsoft ) whant to make a comeback this decade.”
It is huh? Is that why I can count on one hand the number of successful companies that are based on GPL software and still have fingers left over?
“Man , are you guys delusionnals , and disconnected from reality , look up how many cell phone run Gnu/Linux , GNU/Linux / JAVA , and GNU/ Linux something else , etc already … there are 10 thousand models and newer one coming out or in preparation ”
10 thousand models? I think you need to go back on your meds. Or at least cite your source. Please site your source this information. I suspect you can’t cause you pulled the number out of your ass.
Now you want to know how many cell phones are out there are NOT running GNU Linux? 2 billion. That’s right. 2 billion.
“Because Apple like to close Open Source with the traitor effect in the BSD licenses , they dont understand Open Source at all , they like to take and give almost nothing back.”
Is that so? Maybe that is why Apple released Darwin to the open source community? Or why Microsoft ported .NET to FreeBSD? The GPL simply doesn’t work because it FORCES companies to give everything back, even if their code is 1 million lines of code that links againt 500 lines of GPL code, they are forced to GPL all 1 million lines of their code. That doesn’t go over well. The BSD license is much more compatible here since it allows companies to give back things that are generally useful, but do not negate all of the companies work.
“No , it equal freedom , the GPL is not why GNU/Linux software propegate there the reason there defended.”
It is not equal freedom. Freedom is saying “I have the right to license my code that I wrote however I want.” The GPL specifically takes that freedom away from people. BSD is far more about freedom than GPL is.
“The truth is BSD is only surviving today because GNU/Linux aint after it directly”
This is pure bullshit. BSD is roughly 6 times more popular than GNU/Linux if you factor OS X into the equation. OS X is the most popular UNIX system in the world. NOT Linux.
“If we started to enforce the GPL on the BSD project 90% of the new distribution are relasing GPL code under BSD , you CAN switch BSD code license”
And Linux woudln’t exist at all if BSD decided that BSD licensed code cannot be relicensed under the GPL. Do you have any idea how much of the GNU utilities is based on code that originally came from BSD Unix?
“If GNU/Linux is incompatible commercially you need to tell the company like IBM , Dell , HP , Lexmark , archos , Disney , Pixar , Google etc who are all using it commerially.”
Apples and oranges. None of these companies are in the business of selling operating systems or software that would be required to be GPL’d because it is very closely tied with an operating system and perhaps links into operating system code. And Disney, Pixar and Google are totally and completely irrelevant here. They are just users. (And Disney is primarily an IRIX and Solaris shop anyway).
“the real truth is that for commercial endeavor GNU/Linux is better it remove the need to watch over your shoulder if your going to get screwed by a partner project with 100 time your finance and budget”
Yeah, right… Instead I have to watch over my shoulder to make sure I am not violating the GPL somewhere. Which is a royal pain in the ass sometimes because of how viral it is. That also makes the GPL incomptible with tons of other licenses I may have to work with.
“It is huh?”
Why do you sound so stupid ?
“Is that … left over? ”
Oh , ok , thats because you are :
http://www.linux.org/vendor/index.html
“10 thousand models?”
Wow , you think that all cell phone are the same from the same brand from the same company from the same provider from the same vendor , wake up moron its not the case at all… Yes there are 10 000 model of GNU/Linux variant shipping today. Hello anybody can wake up your brain , maybe its off permanently.
“Now you want to know how many cell phones are out there are NOT running GNU Linux? 2 billion. ”
No , but its nice to know you can invent big numbers , try again with reality sometime.
“Is that so? ”
Yes , stupid moron …
“Maybe that … source community?”
Darwin is not Open Source , when the source are Open you can modify it and change it entirely all the time by accessing the source code.
“Or why Microsoft ported .NET to FreeBSD? ”
Microsoft use FreeBSD on hotmail.
“The GPL simply doesn’t work because it FORCES companies to give everything back”
Actually the GPL work because everyone is equal and no one can close the code at any time.
“even if their code is 1 million lines of code that links againt 500 lines of GPL code”
When you make Open Source code your contribute code to the already existing code … nobody is forcing anyone to use GPL code at all.
” they are forced to GPL all 1 million lines of their code. ”
No , they choose to do so with full knowledge of the fact that the GPL dont permit the stealing and closing of code. They dont hide the truth , they are very clear like every honest people.
” The BSD license … are generally useful,”
Lets rephrase that properly , it allow a company to not give back entirely what they added to the existing code they borrowed so that nobody else but them know how it work perfectly or how they can improve upon it.
“but do not negate all of the companies work.”
Of course it negate it , instead of having paid to have software developped and improved by everyone they must pay a fortune to have there code keep up with what opens source software might be in there sector and they have to invest a fortune just to keep up and improve there code.
“It is not equal freedom”
The you dont know what freedom is , freedom is not the possibility to do everything that chaos , real freedom is the responsability of respecting everyone right and treat everyone as equals.
” Freedom is saying “I have the right to license my code that I wrote however I want.” ”
No , thats choice , everyone as the choice to do that , but then when its GPL code the BSD , thief and traitor dont like it because it dont let them take the choice made by other and do what they whant with it , precisley in this case steal it. There is absolutely no one forcing anyone to use/make GPL code.
“BSD is far more about freedom than GPL is.”
No , just look at Apple BSD derivative , can you legally take it and modify it ? No , There is no discussion or argument to be had there , its reality and the legal way to do things.
“BSD is roughly 6 times more popular than GNU/Linux if you factor OS X into the equation. ”
No because OS X is not BSD its a derivative that is no longer BSD. Because of the BSD traitor effect. Also Put all BSD and All OS X togheter and you have 2% max of the entire IT and Electronic Industry , where as GNU/Linux is 50% of the It ( dominate supercomputer where OS X is not even 1% and Microsoft is absent and Unix is declining , 60% of all type of server run GNU/Linux , and they are 24% on desktop globbaly ( Asia , India and Africa are real helper on this one ) and 35% of the electronic industry ( Cell phone , cheap dvd palyer , mp3 player , etc …. )
“OS X is the most popular UNIX system in the world. NOT Linux.”
Thats because GNU/Linux is not Unix …
“And Linux woudln’t exist at all if BSD decided that BSD licensed code cannot be relicensed under the GPL.”
There is no BSD code directly in GPL code , there is in LGPL for now , there is in the new BSD distribution based of KDE ( GPL ) , Gnome ( GPL ) , etc … GNU/Linux exist because of BSD , but only because BSD whas not Free and Open Source software.
“Do you have any idea how much of the GNU utilities is based on code that originally came from BSD Unix? ”
None … They had to be reinvented because BSD whas incompatible entirely with GPL until they changed there License to be acceptable by some paid politicaly motivated people.
“Apples and oranges.”
You just described GNU/Linux and BSD history.
“None of … system code.”
They all choose to use GPL software and repsect the term of it , its commercial endeavor that BSD could not , cannot and will not get …
“And Disney, Pixar and Google are totally and completely irrelevant here. ”
No they use GNU/Linux at the core of there way of doing business. There not just users as you put it.
“And Disney is primarily an IRIX and Solaris shop anyway”
Youve been absolutely wrong so far , keep it up with you false view of the world that are decades old …
“Instead I have to watch over my shoulder to make sure I am not violating the GPL somewhere.”
No , its actually really simple , well that is if you know what your doing and have a brain and what to be productive and not have to do 1 million check up on your code , you get GPL code and make it GPL , and you do just that all the time …
” That also makes the GPL incomptible with tons of other licenses I may have to work with.”
Bou hou hou , it stops the little thief into its track , Bou hou hou , use something else if your so bright , wich your not , at all.
BTW : The aim of the GPL is to make Free and Open Source software for all at all time , guess what , of course its personnaly intended to annoy the little thief , liar and stupid moron like you who go to the extreme of always blocking evolution for only the sake of is own well behing and for money as first motivator, its the evolution of what worked and some addition to stop the Traitors and evolution stopping effects.
One Last thing , Ho yes : dont forget we know where you live and are out to get you and put you in the street ( always work with people like that , hehehe 😉 )
You lose the argument, as proven by the fact that you had to resort to childish name calling and proving you are probably one of those 15 year old know it alls who thinks they are an elete hacker because they run Linux and not Windows. Tell you what, go back to school and try again after you have actually worked in the real world of IT instead of just played with your Linux toy on your home computer. And maybe by that time you will have matured beyond name calling with things like “stupid moron”.
Stupid moron is an accurate and precise description of who you are. Sorry if you cant face reality and have to arrange the world to make it be like in your own little bubble.
By the way… That site you sent me to? Says absolutely nothing anywhere on it to the effect of 10,000 cell phone models in development that will run Linux. Not a word. So even your own citations don’t back up your claim.
“Now you want to know how many cell phones are out there are NOT running GNU Linux? 2 billion. ”
“No , but its nice to know you can invent big numbers , try again with reality sometime.”
That number happens to come from Nokia executives at an IT conference I was at. Yeah… Some of us actually do work in the real world of IT and attend conferences.
But don’t take my word for it:
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411749/612177
“Says absolutely nothing anywhere on it to the effect of 10,000 cell phone models in development that will run Linux.”
Thats because , the link given , it dont answer that , your too stupid to read properly and follow the reply to your own shit and are mixing thing , you cant see to wich lies of yours I replyed to , it become your problem , I aint going to teach you how to read properly in english.
“That number happens to come from Nokia executives”
Its also happen to be innacurate. Nokia is a phone vendor. The number of phone they calculate is in use is based on there shipment of phone , its not accurate. I prefer the numbers given by the carrier and analyst who are respected and trusted to be accurate.
“at an IT conference I was at.”
Wow , you whent to one Nokia conference , and you push BSD , too bad Nokia is seen as making a big Push into GNU/Linux , I guess they dont respect or trust at all what you have to say.
“Some of us actually do work in the real world of IT and attend conferences.”
I guess your strategy work :
1) Work in IT
2) Push BSD
3) Attend conference
Keep doing what your doing it obiously work , thats why Microsoft is scared of GNU/Linux , BSD as no company pushing it this days , and more and more GNU/Linux based phone are in the work.
Good job !
> The number of phone they calculate is in use is based on there shipment of phone , its not accurate. I prefer the numbers given by the carrier and analyst who are respected and trusted to be accurate.
So Nokia do not know how many phones came out of their factories, but the analysts do?
The numbers are based on currently active cellular phone subscriptions.
No , but its fun of you to bulshit people :
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411749/612177
“The largest mobile phone maker, Finnish Nokia said last month it expects the two billion mark to be reached in the October-to-December quarter and 3 billion by 2010.”
“The largest mobile phone maker, Finnish Nokia said last month it expects the two billion mark to be reached in the October-to-December quarter and 3 billion by 2010.”
Umm…. You are aware it is October right? Or don’t you even know what month it is? And you did read the first paragraph right?
“The number of mobile phone subscribers in the world has surpassed the two billion milestone Wireless Intelligence, an information service set up by industry body GSM Association and consulting firm Ovum says.”
Let me simplify this for you so you can understand it: Nokia said last month (since the article was written in September, that would mean Nokia said it in August)… Are you still following this?… That they expected the 2 billion mark to be reached in October to December. Still with me? However, GSM and sonculsting firm Ovum found that by September, the 2 billion mark had already been reached. Still with me? This means that Nokia underestimated the growth rate, and the growth rate was actually faster than Nokia thought since the 2 billion mark was, in fact, reached earlier than Nokia had predicted… So now that I have explained this simple logic to you, do you get it?
I see , the problem is you dont know the meaning of words , precisely prevision and expectation , you mix it with accurate and real actual numbers. Take a dictionnary look it up.
“I see , the problem is you dont know the meaning of words , precisely prevision and expectation , you mix it with accurate and real actual numbers. Take a dictionnary look it up.”
Ok. I am done with this conversation. It’s clear you are just trolling now and digging yourself a deeper hole.
The average 3rd grader has a better command of the English language than you do, and can write more coherant sentances, and could understahd that article, which is 100% clear you cannot.
I’m done wasting my time with you. Since that’s all it is. A complete and total waste of time with someone who is clearly a troll, probably needs to be on meds, has the mentality of a 15 year old, and less command of the english language than a 10 year old.
Goodbye. And don’t bother wasting your time responding. I am not reading this thread anymore. (And I am pretty sure no one else is either. So unless you just like hearing yourself babble…)
Thats why you made two reply … you wrote a false statement backed by a prevision of your choice that showed you as wrong. Instead of going the simplier route wich is to admit being wrong but beeing in the ballpark you whent on this crusade of proving me as something I am not.
“The number of mobile phone subscribers in the world HAS surpassed the two billion milestone Wireless Intelligence, an information service set up by industry body GSM Association and consulting firm Ovum says.”
What part of that don’t you understand? has HAS!! HAS!! See that word “HAS”? That’s PAST TENSE! That means already happened, in the past, etc. etc.
So don’t tell me I don’t understand the English language. You don’t even know the difference beween past and future tense.
No , unlike you , I know the difference , but then again I relly on real numbers , not some evaluation made on prevision and where those numbers might end up then.
See , False >> False >> False >> False >> dont make good at the end because your using it.
So , you did not think at all and say that all the Nokia phone that came out of there factories are in uses.
“it become your problem , I aint going to teach you how to read properly in english.”
Considering that parts of your posts have been mostly undecypherable because of the horribleEnglish, I think you are hardly one to try to say I can’t read properly in English. (I assumed it was because English is probably not your native language. And I am going to keep on assuming that.)
“Its also happen to be innacurate. Nokia is a phone vendor. The number of phone they calculate is in use is based on there shipment of phone , its not accurate. I prefer the numbers given by the carrier and analyst who are respected and trusted to be accurate.”
The number came from Nokia, who was quoting an external study. If you have read the article link I sent you (which you clearly did not), you would see that the number is based on the number of currently active subscriptions. (And guess what that means? The number DID come from the carriers, and the number also DID come from an analyst group. If you had even bothered to look at the link I had provided, you would know that.)
No the problem is not my perfectly written english , its your reading skill , and understanding of the meaning of the word beeing used. Not the one only written by me.
“who was quoting an external study.”
No , they where talking about an expectation of being there by december. its clearly written , but since your reading skill is , well lets just say tottaly lacking , what you wrongly vaguely assume you read transform into fairy tales.
” If you have read the article link I sent you (which you clearly did not)”
I did , before and re read it when you sent it :
” Finnish Nokia said last month it >>>> expects <<<< the two billion mark to be reached in the >>>> October-to-December <<<< quarter and 3 billion by 2010.”
I read it , your using it to serve your lies and bulshit.
You see Simba there are three things that make doubt this links :
1) You ( so sar youve proven to be wrong )
2) its expectation not number in date of
3) Gartners.
When I , a trusted and trutfull source say its not 2 billion its because its not. Have a good day.
http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=1417
http://us.gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/third-gen-razr-leakage-130…
Linux is *cheap* compared to dedicated, optimized operating systems designed to be used on small, portable devices so let us it anyway!
(well, I mean cheap except for the hardware costs it implies and the development costs it implies, but we do not care either because Linux is so cool anyway)
the more complex the software, the more annoying bugs it will contain. i use a small, lean mobile phone without camera, colordisplay, mp3 player, downloadable ringtones, mms and all the other useless shit, that you don’t use anyway. it was very cheap (60$ new), its battery lasts for days and never crashed its software even once.
a friend of mine got a new symbian based phone with every possible gadget function you can imagine and it even runs doom. the phone’s os crashes twice a day, using the mp3 player drains the battarys in a matter of hours and even in standby, batterys don’t hold longer than a day.
no matter if it uses symbian, palm, windows, linux or bsd the more functions it will get, the more it will crash and use up the battery. i hope plain phones are still around for a while, it already was difficult to find one.
He is a f–king leather fag penguin!
You two morons are wasting the time and energy of people who are not interested in your flame war.
Can take this discussion into private email?