Home > Solaris > ZFS Integrated Into Solaris Express ZFS Integrated Into Solaris Express Submitted by Matty 2005-11-01 Solaris 20 Comments “On 10-31-2001, we got the user-level prototype working. On 10-31-2002, we got the first in-kernel mount. And today, 10-31-2005, we integrated into Solaris. ZFS will hit the street in a couple of weeks via Solaris Express.” About The Author Thom Holwerda Follow me on Twitter @thomholwerda 20 Comments 2005-11-01 8:38 pm A big congratulations to the ZFS team. It should be very interesting to see how ZFS benchmarks in the real world… 2005-11-01 9:22 pm On the linked page, the dates are 10/31/2001, 10/31/2002, and 10/31/2005. In OSNews, they are 10-31-2001, 10-31-2002, and 10-31-2005. Where did the dashes come from? Please save them for the ISO 8601 formats! 2005-11-01 9:47 pm Well the problem I have is that we only have 12 months, not 31, so I am still puzzled. Get over it. The rest of the world has to live with DUMB US standards who cares if they use dashes or slashes, you can still figure it out, unlinke 1/10/2005… is that the 1 October or January the 10? You have nothing to complain about. 2005-11-01 9:47 pm Matt Giacomini ZFS is the first exciting file system I have read about for a long time! 2005-11-01 9:48 pm CaptainPinko doesn’t ISO require year before month before day? 2005-11-01 10:12 pm That’s why I use my made-up date order. (Where today is 20051101) Or we could all switch to Julian Date, and be free of wondering whether there were leap years (where it’s currently 2453676.384) 2005-11-02 3:30 pm DoctorPepper That’s why I use my made-up date order. (Where today is 20051101) Well, I don’t think you made that format up, it has been used as the internal date format in dBase since dBase III hit the streets in June of 1984. I can’t vouch for other database or application formats, but this one is well documented. 2005-11-01 11:03 pm Sun finally comes through with another promise! Maybe the company IS starting to take an interest in its future again after all. I look forward to benchmarks, impressions and feature specs of the actual product. 2005-11-02 12:06 am This will rock for sure. We have several customers interested in this because of large raids (2-5 Tb) and UFS is not that fast. Wow. 2005-11-02 12:16 am They are using UFS on raids ranging from 2 -5 Tb? I would sack whoever made that dicision… maybe VxFS will cure what ails you… 2005-11-02 5:32 am kaiwai Meh, the interesting thing will be, once ZFS is stable and in the mainline Solaris 10, what will Symantec do with VxFS once those who no longer require it, aka, legacy Solaris 9 customers, upgrade to Solaris 10 – will they move their product further up the food chain, in regards to storage management? if so, how will it compete with the current freebie that SUN gives away with Solaris? As for UFS; its not too bad IMHO; UFS in the recent encarnation is a definate improvement over previous versions, but I agree; anyone with a 2-5TB raid and using UFS should be tied to a pole and given a public flogging for such a hanus crime. 2005-11-02 3:00 pm [Was: RE: ZFS is the thing all solaris users have been waiti] I know people uses VxVM together with VxFS for large disk. What’s the reason for that? Why doesn’t UFS plus SVM(SUN’s Volume Manager) doesn’t work? And Why UFS doesn’t work by its own? I don’t have much experience with large file system and is curious about the reason. Thanks. 2005-11-02 5:54 pm mario Actually, SVM does a great job, and at the moment, there is very little reason for not using SVM over VxVM, expecially since the clustered functionality has become in the Solaris Volume Manager (it’s the equivalent of Veritas’ CVM (clustered Volume Manager)). Scalability, support for cluster solutions (and Oracle), various disk setups, multiple and alternate path support, online volume expansion, these are crucial features which SVM does have. So in my opinion, backed by years of practical work in the field of UNIX storage solutions, SVM is a worthy replacement ot VxVM. And now, with ZFS, Sun has really yanked the rug underneath Veritas. 2005-11-02 1:42 am JonO …will this be ported to other systems? 2005-11-02 11:49 am psilo So we have: AFS, HFS, JFS, NFS, UFS, XFS and ZFS. Still 19 letters to go. Then it’s time for the greek alphabet. If I missed another in the series, please enlighten me. *edit. forgot UFS…* Edited 2005-11-02 11:50 2005-11-02 12:01 pm AFS* – mentioned above BFS – (sometimes called BeFS, but it’s really BFS) DFS – that distributed filesystem from microsoft FFS – fast filesystem – somewhat related to UFS, I think GFS – global filesystem HFS* – mentioned above IFS – installable filesystem, not a filesystem in its own right, but a domain specific term nonetheless JFS* – mentioned above NFS* – mentioned above UFS* – mentioned above VFS – Virtual Filesystem Switch, not a filesystem, but domain specific term XFS* – mentioned above ZFS* – mentioned above of course, every other letter is in use in some academic project about filesystems.. 2005-11-02 2:23 pm psilo So we are halfway there! Only 13 letters to go. I’m to lazy to google for the rest. 2005-11-02 8:41 pm kmarius Lots of filesystems here: (go to “9. Other filesystems”) http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Filesystems-HOWTO.html 2005-11-02 10:21 pm If SUN wants to attract the Linux crowd – not a single article about how great ZFS is – will actualy migrate a Linux user to Solaris. Something that will work -imo- is offering this as GPL v3 source code Linux module and sell 24×7 support for enterprise use and leave the rest with a public bugzilla. Doing so they will introduce there name into the Linux kernel and extent the company’s lifetime. Running this on the latest Areca/3Ware S-ATA controllers using the ultrafast PCI-Express (40 Gbps bus speed) in order to benchmark using iozone/bonnie++/postmark would reach a broad audience if they blow away ext3 / reiser and xfs. Just saying, or even showing, it works fast using Solaris doesn’t work – people want to believe what they read about something new like this by just one thing: playing with it on your favorite Linux distro. Buying hardware that can run Linux is one thing but buying hardware running Solaris is even harder – where is your audience? 2005-11-03 11:06 am Something that will work -imo- is offering this as GPL v3 source code Could be tricky GPL v3 hasn’t even been released yet will introduce there name into the Linux kernel and extent the company’s lifetime I fail to see how porting features which are intended to give their OS a competitive edge to what is essentially a competing operating system will “extend the company’s lifetime”.