Submitted by The KDE Marketing Working Group has formed, after being proposed by the KDE community at aKademy 2005, with the aim of improving KDE’s marketing and promotion efforts. Martijn Klingens, Sebastian Kügler and Wade Olson will be taking the lead in coordinating and implementing new practices, such as promoting releases more widely and running more exciting events booths.
I’m glad that they have finally decided to do this. I wish them the best of luck
I suggest they start sending spam to promote KDE…
How about reducing KDE promoting message board trolling by 12 year old KDE users. That would be the greatest PR KDE could do for it self. Seriously, how old is the average KDE user?
Cheers.
“How about reducing KDE promoting message board trolling by 12 year old KDE users. That would be the greatest PR KDE could do for it self. Seriously, how old is the average KDE user?
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+1 The KDE trolls are an embarrassment.
“”How about reducing KDE promoting message board trolling by 12 year old KDE users. That would be the greatest PR KDE could do for it self. Seriously, how old is the average KDE user?
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+1 The KDE trolls are an embarrassment.”
Oh please! how can people who make comments like that complain about trolls. Not everyone who uses KDE is a 12 year old, I know lots of people who use it, some of them are as young as 16 and some are in their 70’s or older.
Every last operating system, desktop environment and piece of software in existance that has users will also have some trolls, it’s not like any other DE or OS is any better.
Right now your comments are the only troll posts here; something happens to KDE and becomes a news item and the first think you people do is start a completely unprovoked thread in which you call every last KDE user a 12 year old troll. It reminds me of that expression: “the pot calling the kettle black”.
“Oh please! how can people who make comments like that complain about trolls. Not everyone who uses KDE is a 12 year old, I know lots of people who use it, some of them are as young as 16 and some are in their 70’s or older.”
you mean 1 or 2 are 16 and the rest are senile?
OSNews admins: Please investigate this thread, the post by anonymous (64.178.134.—) is climbing very fast despite being an obvious troll post, so far the score climbed from -2 to +1 in only seconds.
This is most likely the case of someone having multiple accounts and moderating up troll posts (possibly their own posts).
OSNews admins: Please investigate this thread, the post by anonymous (64.178.134.—) is climbing very fast despite being an obvious troll post, so far the score climbed from -2 to +1 in only seconds.
This is most likely the case of someone having multiple accounts and moderating up troll posts (possibly their own posts).
And look to the first post, the one by The Baron, who is at -3. How could it be possible?
OSNEWS ADMIN: please find a way to detect massive voting and fake accounts and BAN those people.
HAHA Very amusing conspiracy theory. I suspect your paranoia stems from your use of KDE. I would be crazy too if I had to use that krap all day. I suggest switching to Windows where there are sensible UIs which will not bring on these fits of madness. You have my sympathy.
How about reducing KDE promoting message board trolling by 12 year old KDE users. That would be the greatest PR KDE could do for it self.
HAHA Very amusing conspiracy theory. I suspect your paranoia stems from your use of KDE. I would be crazy too if I had to use that krap all day.
Hmmm. Well I’m not too sure who these comments are by. Nursery people perhaps, but I know nursery children who are far too polite for that.
It seems as though the brown stuff is hitting the fan after Novell fired a lot of their Gnome people and then ‘apparently‘ decided to pick a desktop where it will cost them even more to develop, making them go bust even faster. It’s amazing how excited people can get, and the increased number of silly comments you get from little fanboys when a bunch of liars put out an article at a time when their company is in serious trouble……
This is a KDE article, OK?
How about reducing KDE promoting message board trolling by 12 year old KDE users. That would be the greatest PR KDE could do for it self. Seriously, how old is the average KDE user?
Cheers.
You are so right.
how many fake accounts are going to be created by the Gnomers only for modding up and down the posts in this thread.
Agreed, I’m on the verge of leaving this site for good.
I’ve seen far too many good threads get moderated down by people who care only in censoring what they don’t want people to hear, especially if that information is true.
At this point the moderation system is proving useless, we’re seeing legit comments getting voted down, and anti-KDE troll posts getting moderated up.
I think all the legit posts so far deserve +5, and all the troll posts deserve a -5 and a permanent IP banning.
too many good threads get moderated down by people who care only in censoring […]
“…and a permanent IP banning.”
An IP ban? Now whos being a hypocrite? You complain about censorship but then you suggest that my IP be banned.
The truth is KDE complete garbage. Don’t fear the truth, accept it!
> I think all the legit posts so far deserve +5, and all
> the troll posts deserve a -5 and a permanent IP banning.
I fullheartly agree with you, the same has been done below in the “Brazil is adoting KDE as Desktop” article that I have submitted (as I did with this one). It’s a shame to see these people trashing everything. But then otoh it only proves the long years experience I made with these people (I don’t want to name the other Desktop but you get an idea) it’s poor, a really poor community they have. It sadens and pisses everyone off, no wonder there is no real progress.
Anyways I would suggest we use OSNews.com’s MetaBlog and complain there, maybe there is a chance for the moderators of this site to throw an eye on these fools and sue their butts for abuse. There are simply to many sick minds that happen to have shown up on Linux in the past few years. The community was much better in the mid 90’s.
You know what? There has been plenty of GNOME bashing/KDE trolls on the GNOME news items as well. It’s really embarassing to see both camps sink to the level that they have. The developers on both sides may have their disagreements but they seem to handle it in the right way. Leave it to the zealots (again on both sides) to drag it into the mud.
Much needed. KDE is an excellent desktop environment, able not only to match Windows capabilities, but also to surpass it in many regards. So far, KDE’s promotion machine has not been up to the the good software they provide and hopefully this will change it for the better. They surely deserve success.
Edited 2005-11-08 23:59
Why don’t you just ignore them?
Paying them attention only makes it worse.
Look now, this thread is ruined for one troll post, making a big deal of it doesn’t help.
Use your braine.
That’s a far too simplistic view of how this works.
It would be easy enough to ignore them if the moderation system worked as it was intended to, but in this case the trolls pushed their scores up with fake accounts and forced all the legitimate comments down out of sight. If the only comments you can see are libel* with a +5 rating what’s the point of having comments at all?
To some degree we all have a responsability to protect the comments section of OSNews, otherwise if it goes down the can the administrators will probably feel they have no other choice but to remove it. What about lay people who don’t know better, they would see all that libel with +5 ratings and think because of the rating that it actually represents a legit widespread opinion.
Ignoring trolls doesn’t make the problem go away, if anything it’s what makes it worse. You ignore the problem for too long and eventually it becomes deeply rooted and almost impossible to get rid of. If people could moderate troll posts down and have them stay there where they belong then we would have a decent solution, but so far that’s proving difficult.
*Libel: A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person’s reputation
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=libel
And starting to rediscover KDE on breezy. However, I’m also concerned about the fanatical trolls on this KDE vs Gnome “Jihad”(Opps, I triggered a wiretrap) please, they are just desktops.
As for the marketing, yeah, it’s great, especially because it helps with the FOSS adoption
And for the licensing, you could always put gtk libraries for compatibility.
Edited 2005-11-09 00:12
“Not everyone who uses KDE is a 12 year old, I know lots of people who use it, some of them are as young as 16 and some are in their 70’s or older.”
i’m sure there will be a few skeletons included in the list of kde users too. people who booted up kde in 2001 and passed away during the long wait.
Well, I for one am glad for KDE. After a couple of very unpleasant experiences with KDE, I guess I found a good version with Benjamin Reed’s OS X Fink port. It blew my mind. Though there were problems, and yes, there were compromises, OS X was capable of smoothing over these warts/replacing ugly functionality with good functionality. However, KDE has functionality that OS X and Windows can only dream of. I for one am glad to see a group founded to promote the usage of KDE. Good job guys!
Let me say first that I am a 40 yr old KDE user. I used to use Gnome until KDE 3 came out. I switched and haven’t regretted it for a moment. My choice.
From where I sit, it seems that most of the flame wars between Gnome and KDE on this site have been started by the Gnome camp. Once it is started, the KDE people do respond, but it seems that the Gnome folks are the ones to fire the first shot. They also seem to be the most vicious. They make it personal. KDE supporters tend to make more general statements about not liking Gnome or explaining why they prefer KDE, either for the looks, the functionality, or the technology.
I’m not anti-Gnome, I’m pro-KDE. If someone else prefers Gnome, I’m fine with that. Just don’t try to make me out like a retard because we prefer different things. Unfortunately, that’s what I’m seeing.
And let me say first that I am a 23 year old GNOME user. I used to use KDE until GNOME 2 came out. I switched and haven’t regretted it for a moment. My choice.
From where I sit, my impression is exactly opposite to yours. Which should tell you something about subjective perception.
By saying what you said, you are not acting any better than anyone else fueling the flamewars, because you are generally attacking a specific group of readers based on your subjective observations. Stuff like this contributes to an atmosphere of animosity which this place is full of lately and which I am very sick of.
Well, I’m a 22 year old user of KDE, so that’s at least 1 person who isn’t 12. I only switched away from Windows about 2 years ago, and tried out GNOME and KDE. I just couldn’t stand GNOME, for many reasons that I won’t go into here (all personal preference), and while releases since then have improved I still prefer KDE.
My impression of the trolls on this site is that GNOME attacks tend to be a bit more common. Honestly, though, GNOME users outnumber KDE users here so it just makes sense that there might be more trolls on that side as well as more high quality posters.
Once the trolling starts, both sides can dish it out pretty well. If you have a thin skin or don’t want to see blatant lies, I suggest you simply don’t read any of the posts under the topics which tend to attract trolls – linux/windows, kde/gnome, etc. Because there really isn’t any way to get rid of the trolls except by attracting more intelligent readers to OSNews who can collectively mod them out of existance.
> My impression of the trolls on this site is that GNOME
> attacks tend to be a bit more common.
The problem is that many GNOME trolls do have fake accounts on OSNews.com and abuse their modpoints to moderate up troll comments and moderate down valid correctly written facts as trolls.
As a former GNOME supporter I can tell you that these are common practices amongs their community. Everything that don’t happen to be with them is considered an enemy and has to be killed off. Redgardless what you have contributed before, how many manhours you worked your ass off supporting them, it’s gone from one second to another just because you changed your views.
The reason why I don’t participate to that evil community anymore is because it’s simply said “full of shit”. A lot of offending people around it, a lot of libel, slandering and personal attacking. I know good two handful of people who initially wanted to contribute to the GNOME project and got scared away with exactly the same practices as some morons are showing here.
I also don’t think that the GNOME related threads (articles) on OSNews.com are full with trolls. I know this because I happen to comment on most of them – answering peoples questions, writing about personal experiences I happen to have made with GNOME and talking about the GNOME architecture as is due to my involvement and good knowledge about it.
Unfortunately a lot of people (or maybe the same) seem to have big big big issues getting the facts right, they somehow live in an illusionary own created world and can’t stand any professional criticism (GNOME can’t stand or deal with professional criticism at all). They can’t stand valid comments, the can’t stand truth and they can’t accept that their architecture isn’t as good as the opponents one (speaking of KDE).
They quickly lose all professionalism in answering questions, to give correct feedback about criticism and then quickly turn over into the old years knowing practices by diffamating, slandering, libeling, namecalling others only to discredit their comments in the public.
It’s a shame to see that these morons show up in valid KDE threads (as it happens now) propagating their broken GNOME desktop and primarily bringing up the old junk like ‘licenses’ but not losing one f–kign word about how ugly slammed and hacked together their whole great Destkop is.
Do you see me criticising XFCE or Enlightenment ? No, do you see me criticising OSX ? No. But you see me criticising GNOME – because I spent all the years on it and feel the frustration that even after YEARS (and the 2.x line exists for some years now) has not inproved in any ways. It’s still broken, versions of many modules as found in CVS are just bumped version numbers (look in the ChangeLogs). Things are hardly working.
And I repeat again, I don’t have any issue with GNOME and I do respect the spare time people spent into improving it. I am only fedup with lies, bad marketing, bullshit public relations and even more lies, that they seem to need only to manifest their Desktop as “The Desktop” as “Corporate Desktop”. And please take my apologizes but I don’t give a flying fart about those who think I should shut up, because it’s my opinion which is based upon facts. Facts that I usually mention that people can easily check up on their own. I hate GNOME for being a corporate liar, for lying people to believe that they offer things – that they don’t.
It’s sick vegetating on GNOME for years without any improvement, without any getting forward, without even being able to solve SIMPLE TASKS to get some serious work done. I feel sick about people saying that GNOME is the Desktop to get serious work done pretty quickly. Well it would be true if there wasn’t years of waiting between that to see things start to work, It makes me sick to see that I have to spent hours to get some basic shit solved to actually get anything done.
Example here is again Evince printing suckage. Or Evolutions crashing the sync files and coming up with crappy error dialogs that makes it a pain to use and now their crank HAL support (HAL in Evolution). It makes me sick to see bugreports sitting on bugzilla gnome org for months, years without any attention because their maintainers can’t get their ass moving.
That’s why I believe KDE is much better, not only for their great architecture, but also for their great applications, their skilled people (yes, GNOME don’t have exclusive rights for having geniuses – there are even far more skilled people on KDE’s side). I love the great applications that people produce for KDE, that works, works even better than most GNOME counterparts or even similar to the counterparts found on Windows or OSX and I like the coolness of the KDE people, their friendly mentality, for not being assholes and their quick response times for KDE bugreports (if possible).
Sure KDE is not perfect but which Desktop is, but from all the knowing open source ones KDE is still the most prefered and the deserved number one Desktop environment that 2/3 of the open source people seem to be using and likeing.
the reason why kde is being disfavoured by everyone is mostly because the UI is so dire. even the kde developers admit it. then there’s the bloat, the slowness, the unreliability, and the notoriously cluttered interface. all of this stated by the kde devlopers themselves. and thats why kde will always come to nought.
you, IP: 84.129.231., are the biggest crap-talking troll of them all! you spend all your time talking crap in gnome threads. you can never get your facts straight! according to you, the whole of the hulu, mono, and evolution sector have been given the sack. yeah, right. you claim to be an ex-gnome develop (yeah, right!), but from your previous threads, you have proved that you have never even seen a single line of gnome code.
this is what kde developers have to say about the problem with kde:
‘so, KDE suffers from bloat, over-engineering and user confusion. apparently.
personally, i never thought that to be the case until now, but, there are others who seem to hold these beliefs to be self-evident. i respect everyone’s opinions and beliefs, even though they may be different than, or opposite to, my own.’
(Stefen Teleman)
‘Novell is “standardizing” on Gnome as their desktop environment. Anyone want to know why? Because the gnome guys know how to make a good simple end-user application.
Lets face it. Almost all KDE apps have interfaces that provide easy access to even the most advanced functions. That my friends, is the problem. The immense choice of features and actions things like toolbars, as well as non-descript icons, are turning newbies away from KDE.
Lets take Konqueror for example, probably the one thing a linux newbie would use most. Right now, with SuSE 10.0 defaults, I have 12 buttons on my toolbar… These are what they do:
* Back
* Forward
* Up
* Home
* Refresh
* Stop
* Print
* Find
* Zoom In
* Zoom Out
* Security
* Download Manager
This is in Web Browsing mode. I don’t need or want the Up button, or the Zoom buttons. The find button is non-descript and requires me to hover over the icon and wait for the tooltip. The security button is pointless since we can just put a lock icon on the status bar like most sane people (perhaps with a fancy KDE tooltip describing the security in use). The Download Manager button is also completely useless, especially since I don’t even have KGet integrated with konqueror.
Secondly, we don’t need the address bar to say “location.” Most people already know its for addresses, so that just makes it look clunky. The Go button could use some work too.
This kind of stuff shows up in tons of KDE apps. Things have been getting better… especially in the KDE-PIM apps, But KOffice, Konqueror, Kopete, all have too much UI clutter and icons that just don’t make sense where they are. Do we really need copy/paste icons everywhere? Do we need an icons for every functionality on the planet? It overwhelms the newbie user. Hell, it overwhelms me at times. I just get confused and probably end up not seeing all the great capabilities of these apps.
Novell, Redhat, and other “commercial” distributions are targetting their desktop distributions at businesses whose users have probably never seen or used Linux. They’re also targetting their server distributions as replacements for Windows servers, and want to make it as easy as possible for Windows admins to move over to Linux. Gnome, I hate to say, excels at this due to the simplicity of their applications. They may not have the features or customizability of KDE apps, but they do have the UI right… simple and to the point.’
(Aaron Krill)
http://www.planetkde.org/
‘so, KDE suffers from bloat, over-engineering and user confusion. apparently.
personally, i never thought that to be the case until now, but, there are others who seem to hold these beliefs to be self-evident. i respect everyone’s opinions and beliefs, even though they may be different than, or opposite to, my own.’
Did you actually read ALL the text or just the first paragraph??
For your convenience, I’ll put it here:
i want to help. really, i do. therefore, i have spent some time thinking about an alternative to this over-engineering bloatness problem in KDE. luckily, i think i found a solution: DOS.
please let me explain. let’s start first by enumerating KDE’s most blatant defects:
1. Bloat
2. Too many configuration options
3. Over-engineered
4. Confusing to the average user
this list of shortcomings seems incomplete. to wit, i shall add my own personal complaint about KDE:
5. Too many blue icons and buttons
i want this blog entry to be an objective, professional and knowledgeable comparative analysis of KDE’s weaknesses vs. DOS’ strenghts. therefore, i will now enumerate DOS’ overwhelming superiority over KDE, in the areas mentioned above:
1. No bloat, runs in 64K. beat that if you can.
2. No configuration options. if you disagree, name one.
3. Under-engineered (i think you’ll agree)
4. Very clear and concise for any user (you only need to know about C:, and everything is command line)
and, most importantly:
5. No blue icons or buttons.
if there still is any doubt about DOS’ superiority over KDE, please allow me to describe a few typical KDE user situations. for example, in KDE, if you want to get to a shell command line, you have to start Konsole. Konsole has blue icons. therefore, Konsole is Bad. Bad Konsole makes for a Bad user experience. what’s even worse, Konsole comes with a Blue Background. that is also Bad. another example: in DOS, every directory on your hard drive starts at C:. easy enough, clear, intuitive, concise, no confusion possible. that is a Good Thing. compare that with Konqueror, or Krusader. again, Blue Icons for folders. Bad. Blue buttons at the top. Bad. there is no C:, and all these Blue Folders are arranged in this weird tree-like shape. Bad.
Conclusion: DOS is better than KDE. QED.
i live in a Blue State. Bad.
http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1601
Did you actually understand ANY of the text??
Do you know what SARCASM is?? Read again.
I’m just as sick of it as you are.
Perhaps it is subjective perception. You say I’m no better than anyone else fueling the flamewars. I only pointed out what I’ve seen (or at least my perception of it). At no point did I find fault with Gnome or those who choose to use it, only those who feel like the only way to justify their choice is to belittle those who made other choices. I wouldn’t agree with a KDE user doing it either.
I’ve been using KDE exclusively now for several years – both at home and at work.
It worries me that also Novell is now standardizing on GNOME. Where does that leave KDE?
On one hand I’m happy for SuSE entrepreneurs. Their hard work paid off – similar to Skype, StarOffice, Navison and many more.
On the other hand, I’m less excited about the company becoming american. Because of the rather predictable GNOME move. And because at least one major Linux vendor in Europe ought to be european. Also to support KDE/Qt. Oh well.
Why are the americans not going with Qt and KDE? Because it is not an american product? I wouldn’t think so. They love Volkswagen, Audi, BMW, Mercedes and Porsche. Is development pace too slow – or development direction off course? But – they could just fork it – and run with it. Is it because it is C++ and Gtk is C? Is the KDE developer community too closed? Or is it because they don’t want to close the door on possibly some time in the future make money off the developed apps – without having to pay a developers license fee as they would have to with Qt? Then again, that fee is (currently) peanuts.
I’ve seen impartial web pages complain that GNOME/Gtk is a mess – inside that is. I’ve never looked inside. And leave much to be desired about the doc. I’ve yet to see something similar about Qt. Sure, KDE gets the rap now and then – but that’s mostly on the UI experience – not the code quality. So I don’t understand the push towards GNOME. Oh well.
Fortunately Redhat/Fedora is better about KDE/Qt than SuSE was about GNOME/Gtk. Still, a real company to take KDE/Qt by both hands would be better. I wish the new marketing group good luck. But is it enough?
Or is it because they don’t want to close the door on possibly some time in the future make money off the developed apps – without having to pay a developers license fee as they would have to with Qt? Then again, that fee is (currently) peanuts.
A bigger problem might be, that they have no control over it. Without the QPL there is no possibility to write proprietary applications with Qt, so forking it is pretty much out of the question. Also Novell might not be feeling good about asking their customers to purchase a license from another vendor, when they want to write proprietary applications for “their” platform. Especially considering how much Novell is raving about “mixed-source” strategies.
But Trolltech is also undoubtly a valuable asset for KDE, so I’m sure it will keep doing fine whatever happens.
A bigger problem might be, that they have no control over it.
I think that’s it exactly. These companies exert a great deal of influence over GNOME and GTK itself. They can always fork it and make it their own code. Qt makes that impossible for KDE and Trolltech is the one who is deciding what to develop. KDE is also currently more developed by the community at large rather than sponsered developers, which also means less control. That could probably be changed without too much trouble, but why would they want to try when GNOME is already set up for them? And you would still have the underlying problem Trolltech represents.
A bigger problem might be, that they have no control over it. Without the QPL there is no possibility to write proprietary applications with Qt
Your credibility -> window.
Also Novell might not be feeling good about asking their customers to purchase a license from another vendor, when they want to write proprietary applications for “their” platform.
Right….. So none of Novell’s software runs on Windows, so in order to use it Novell doesn’t want people to be legal and buy licenses nor do they expect people to buy Visual Studio in order to use their SDKs?
Also, it doesn’t stop Novell from using GTK, Java, Eclipse or some other development platform and integrating it wiht KDE, but they would be largely responsible for doing that themselves. I never cease to be amazed by people who don’t understand any of this, but then again, that’s the point.
Sigh… You are right, I committed a technical blunder. QPL is not what you need for proprietary Qt development. This, however, doesn’t change anything about what I said. If you feel better by questioning my credibility, that’s fine with me.
As for the other part, I pointed out a possibility (notice the usage of the word “might”). Take it or leave it, but don’t even try to drag me into a mudfight. I will be more than happy to discuss with you, if you learn to respect your conversation partners.
Sigh… You are right, I committed a technical blunder. QPL is not what you need for proprietary Qt development. This, however, doesn’t change anything about what I said.
No it’s still doable. Licensing for Qt only applies to using Qt, which is perfectly reasonable if people want a decent toolkit to program with. That’s what people pay for. Not issue there. It will certainly be possible at some point in the future, to write a KDE application with GTK. All it takes is the integration, and in some ways it has happened with QtGTK. The licenses are compatible, and kdelibs is LGPL’d as well which gives people all the right interfaces they need to do what they want. Don’t want to use Qt, don’t have to. Many people will though.
Tell me, where do you think the revenue and income is going to come from for Novell to create this uber ISV platform and the tools, which they’re going to give away to everyone completely for nothing?
If you feel better by questioning my credibility, that’s fine with me.
I appreciate you for being the bigger man here *finger down throat*, but based on the above I feel more than entitled to. If you don’t like it please feel free to put more thought into your comments and do some Googling around about issues, for some people that is, that have come up many times before.
Take it or leave it, but don’t even try to drag me into a mudfight. I will be more than happy to discuss with you, if you learn to respect your conversation partners.
Yer, please keep on acting as if you’re above all this if that makes you feel better :-). If you don’t research your comments a bit better it is more than likely you’re going to get just a little bit less respect.
I believe due to feedback from companies they wanted one standard desktop, not two which makes sense. Though by leaving KDE in the OpenSUSE project it also indicates Novell was not all in favor of leaving KDE behind and possibly sees a future for it in SUSE Linux both for the private and enterprise sectors. As a former Windows user which is the main competition for Linux distribution developers I see KDE being more in line with what Windows users are used to. Gnome appears as an outdated GUI with it’s toolbar by default closer resembling OSX not Windows or KDE default installation. Employers should be concerned with the difference between the two desktops which can lead to issues in cross network environments and more cost to train staff to use a GUI that differs from Windows. This is not only my opion but I have seens this with others that when placing a Windows user in front of KDE and Gnome desktops the choice is usually for KDE as comments are that it does offer a closer resemblance to Microsoft OS such as Windows XP.
Edited 2005-11-09 17:06
Time to rethink moderation maybe.
I thought people were supposed to post about the above news. Browsing the previous posts it appears I’m obviously wrong.
Anyway, as Kde user, I’m quite happy to know about this Marketing Working Group. I believe there is much to do there.
P.S. Since I got a fully functionnal brain, and even as kde user and supporter, I do not think Gnome is pure evil and all wrong nor kde pure perfection. I know. Sounds crazy lol
The difference between Gtk and Qt in terms of maintainership isn’t that big.
First if you want to contribute to Gtk and change the library you can’t simply introduce your own changes at will. You always have to provide good reasons why it’s good to make those changes. There is no chance that one company alone will be able to decide about the whole development path. So this always needs coordination with some parties and their acceptance of the patches and ideas. Whether this party is called Redhat or Trolltech doesn’t matter in real life.
On the other hand if you just want to maintain your very own flavour of Qt this is possible and happens all the time: using Inheritance you can build your own classes with your own “superior” concepts that are derived from Trolltechs flavour. This might even go so far that you develop your own library that is built on top of Qt and is tailored to your needs. No need for patches. No need to maintain an ugly fork. No need to convince maintainers. Simple. A natural way to take advantage of OO-programming.
Tell me, where do you think the revenue and income is going to come from for Novell to create this uber ISV platform and the tools, which they’re going to give away to everyone completely for nothing?
From the contracts, the toolkit for nothing is one of the plus.
Is not that hard to fifure out the Novell will make money from contracts better than the applications.
But if believing Novell wont get revenues if doesn’t use Qt will make you happy don’t stop for me.
>Tell me, where do you think the revenue and income is going to come from for Novell to create this uber >ISV platform and the tools, which they’re going to give away to everyone completely for nothing?
From the contracts, the toolkit for nothing is one of the plus.
The problem with that statement is rather obvious, and flawed. The cost for Novell will rise when they spend money crating the free uber ISV platform, as opposed to the cost with using a already selfsupporting ISV platform. And the toolkit for nothing are not a plus in real commercial development as in reality also equates to free of support. The ‘need everything for free’ hypothetical commercial basement developer does not exist, and continuing to repeat that myth does not change the realities of real commercial development.