“We recently got in touch with a few Intel partners and learned that the much anticipated processor from Intel, codenamed Yonah, is expected to debut early next year on January 6th. Intel’s Yonah is a dual-core chip based on the 65nm fabrication process. Yonah will also mark the first launch with Intel’s new strategy in place – performance per watt.”
This news seems to concrete the rumour that Apple will release their first Intel based computers in January. I’d say Apple will be Intel’s showcase for all their ‘cool’ new processors etc.
I wonder which Macs will go Intel first… January will be an interesting month!
my exact same thought … but you were faster to post
oh and yeah, they shoud make the presentation interesting … somthing like go-go dancers britney spears stage fireworks to kick it all off
kidding ofcourse
but they should make the presentation punctual and interesting they better have something cool to show like new designed laptops etc
and i mean realy cool laptop design
The only problem with this is that AMD still owes more than it currently has in the bank. If this were to occur within the year, it may just drive AMD into a hole it may not be able to crawl out of.
You are assuming that AMD is unable to successfully sell off their flash business – which they’re currently doing right now.
What AMD require isn’t necessarily more laptop or desktop, but more high margin, moderate volume share of the server market – if you can’t compete with Intels volume, why not developer smarter solutions for the server market?
I wonder which Macs will go Intel first… January will be an interesting month!
http://arstechnica.com/columns/mac/mac-20050608.ars
At the bottom of the page yoou can find release dates.
Interesting in what point? Many people don’t see Apple moving to Intel as positive. Me included.
Well, Apple are an interesting company. I’m sure if they do introduce the Intel Macs in January as predicted, they’ll throw something into the mix that was not expected.
It will be interesting to see if they update the iBooks before the Powerbooks and if the new chips will be much faster than the current G4s.
It will be interesting to hear from people who install Windows on these computers so we can see which OS handles the same resources better.
Even if you don’t think it’s a good idea, it will still be interesting
Plus, I can’t see how this is bad if it means that Apple’s laptops will get bigger speed increases. Whichever chip Apple uses, you can be sure that Mac OS X will still be great and their computers will still look nice. What more do you want?
It will be interesting to hear from people who install Windows on these computers so we can see which OS handles the same resources better.
This one is interesting, I admit. Although I say better test will be using same Intel specs, but I’m more interested in benchmarking non-Apple mark for using it with Windows and Linux against OSX on Apple pc. After that testing winning Intel against Opteron.
Two reasons
1. Fairness. If Windows would lose, people would just say Apple crippled Apple PC with Windows. And after that benchmarking both Linux and Windows on both machines noe aginst another to get really clear picture for all factors: What? Where? How?
2. Apple prices are not low in the rest of the world. For example Dell is a lot cheaper here
Plus, I can’t see how this is bad if it means that Apple’s laptops will get bigger speed increases. Whichever chip Apple uses, you can be sure that Mac OS X will still be great and their computers will still look nice. What more do you want?
Wow, this is a bad one.
/*in my point of view, not speaking for public*/
Actualy when I was testing last Powerbook I decided not to buy it (same when I was testing Cinema Display)
1. Apple design doesn’t impress me at all.
2. LCD is very bad (both, notebook and 24″ Cinema Display), comparing to competition
3. Keyboard is rough, small and unprofessional, same can be said about touchpad
4. Connectors on sides, well… I can’t forgive this fact
5. Bluetooth that didn’t work. Although this not the case anymore. Error was corrected soon after I encountered it
6. I’m not a fan of OSX, I was buying notebook for use with Linux mostly, secondary system I need is Windows though, although I could simply squeeze Windows on one of my desktops. So your post about OSX still being great is not valid for me. But most of the reason why OSX is completely unusable is that OSX terminal sucks (yes, the one in X11 too, and few free terminals one can download too. I’m forced to own G5 though. Other part of my bussines, so you can believe I tested them enough. Not that I would like to switch on OSX. It is just bothering me that I have to use another machine to access terminals when I do work on G5)
What more do you want?
/*again speaking for my self*/
1. Actualy decent notebook (better than PB)
2. Much better 24″ LCD than Cinema Display
3. Linux for my daily use.
Lucky me, I already have all that
Oh, not to forget. Santa could bring me PS3 with disk kit, but it won’t be out until march
Well I have a 2 year old iBook. In college, people in my class have all recently bought PC laptops (Dell, Toshiba and Sony). All are about the same price as my iBook when I bought mine.
Except for the Sony, all the other laptops are huge, bulky and ugly compared to my iBook. Honestly, looking at these laptops, you’d think that they’re about 10 years older than my iBook.
Even though they sport processors of at least 2GHz, they still freeze up if they open anything more than 3 apps or try to do something like video encoding. I know that my iBook isn’t a speed demon but I usually have about 8 apps open (Safari, Adium, Mail, iCal, iTunes, VLC, Terminal and JEdit) with about 3 to 5 tabs open in Safari and iTunes playing. My iBook runs quite smoothly. Even if I want to encode some video, it does take a long time but the whole OS doesn’t freeze up. In this regard, Mac OS X is way ahead of Windows for multitasking. Of course, when I ran Linux on my iBook, it was lightning fast compared to it.
I think the keyboard is fine. The keys are big enough so I rarely hit wrong keys. The touchpad is far more usable than the touchpads of my friends’ laptops. I’m not a big fan of touchpads though. I usually use my little 2 button mouse with my laptop.
I don’t have Bluetooth but I have to say that I use Airport both at home and in college. It always ‘just works’. My friends all have a lot of problems trying to connect to the wireless network in college.
I use Linux. I think it’s great. I have it installed on my PC at home and I usually use it in college but it’s nowhere near as nice as Mac OS X. It has some really nice features that Mac OS X doesn’t (like connecting the file manager to SSH servers, a clipboard that holds more than one item) but I find that Mac OS X is less of a pain to get working and to “glue together”. I know that this isn’t usually Linux’s fault. It’s usually got to do with hardware incompatibilities but it’s still annoying. I hate having to use Windows. It’s so bad at multitasking. I hate the taskbar. Explorer is a pain in the arse for file management. It’s annoying that I can’t run shell scripts to automate tasks like backup that I can on Linux and Mac OS X.
Of course all of these points are highly subjective but I honestly find that even iBooks are way nicer than PC laptops (except for Sony) in every department. When the Intel CPUs come in, the Apple laptops will be able to match PC laptops herz for herz. Also, I think Apple laptops are as nice looking as Sony laptops but quite a bit cheaper so I do think that they’re reasonably priced when you take the OS and the look of them into account (obviously you don’t like the OS or the look of Apple laptops to this is kind of a moot point).
Ok, since you described your usage it is only fair to describe mine.
Well I have a 2 year old iBook…
HP7010 now only (used to have 2-3 notebooks {changing them in 6-month cycle}, and I’m planning that again. It is just that no suitable notebooks are on the market now, so I sold all others {until the price I got for them was still good} and now I wait for suitable replacements with this one only. And yes I tried last PB, both 15 and 17″, they were a long way from what I would call /*My*/ notebook), All newer HP {so do IBMs and Alienware, must admit I don’t have a lot connections to test Toshiba though} notebooks can be described as piece of crap (in all the topics I mentioned for PB, except LCD which is better than PBs). I’m currently thinking about Sony (the new still not released ultrathin, ultrlight line) with my fingers crossed that it will sport models with Cell or Turion. This HP was definitely the last Intel I bought in my life, this is what I’m sure, after Pr 2.4 Intel went down and I had a lot of problems with their faulty hardware (Used to be Intel-and-Intel only fan). For /*My*/ desktops Opterons do job better than I need, although I hope for Cell there too.
Even though they sport processors of at least 2GHz, they still freeze up if they open anything more than 3 apps or try to do something like video encoding
Had the same experience on Windows, not on Linux. And to admit not on G5. What is the most bothering factor on OSX are a little time lags for a lot of actions without reactions, those are just killing me.
I think the keyboard is fine. The keys are big enough so I rarely hit wrong keys. The touchpad is far more usable than the touchpads of my friends’ laptops. I’m not a big fan of touchpads though. I usually use my little 2 button mouse with my laptop.
If you type a lot then it is not so fine:) I can only admit there is a lot of notebooks with worster keyboard than IBook and PB, but as I said I’m selective in this department. Basicaly for me, keyboard, touchpad and LCD are the main factors, not performance.
Then again there is a lot of notebooks with better.
I don’t have Bluetooth…
As I said it was temporary bug, solved very soon after my tests.
{your linux desc}
They are not hardware faults. As much as I preffer Linux, I got to say it is the community fault. A lot of people with different vision and a free world. Can’t be all positive, every positive has its negative. Although lately they are getting over diversities much more than in previous years.
Besides, I’m not much of a desktop user. Most of my time is spent in terminals and code editors.
90% of my desktop time could be described as lot of terminals (and I mean a lot lot), few gEdit sessions (don’t know why but I really do like gEdit for coding. And if you believe it or not I was a long time Delphi and VS user. Now I would never go back. Can’t quite understand it my self too:). Constantly run RSS reader (liferea), web browser (Epiphany) and Evolution. And yes, I need a good personal pwd manager (revelation).
It is all dumbed down as much as possible. And this is the only way I like my desktop. KISS principle.
Although my free time is spent to other desktop apps. Like Gimp (again I was avid Photohop and Illustrator user) and Inkscape for my amateur art. I could easily do that on my G5, but somehow feeling just isn’t right.
I don’t like games on my computer, this is why PS2 exists. Like to keep those separated.
Same thought on Windows too:)
But I agree with your comment on the “glue together” 100%. Which applies as more usable for most of the users. It is just simpler to get it working.
Except that I preffer to get it working /*my way*/. One can always optimize every action. But not a lot of people know how to do that. This is why I agree that Windows and OSX are more suitable for desktop at least for Joe User with special needs. Grandma that just wants to read e-mail, browse and write some document won’t feel a difference anywhere (show her icon for browser, e-mail and she’ll belive this is it, this is how the rest of the world does it). Ubuntu for example is simpler to set up than OSX and Windows for grandma like that (or any office user without special needs). It covers both. No hardware instalations (if hardware was bought by at least looking for compatible and certified), and no software instalations. Suffering both OSX and Windows. Although Windows is worster in this department too. For that kind of user (and my hardware mentioning…) Ubuntu might be much easier to set up. But then again Linux is still suffering few common bugs. (XDS, Clipboard… all subjects of still to come. In Gnome case if I was reading ml correctly 2.14 will be the mark point of implementation)
Of course all of these points are highly subjective but I honestly find that even iBooks are way nicer than PC laptops (except for Sony) in every department. When the Intel CPUs come in, the Apple laptops will be able to match PC laptops herz for herz. Also, I think Apple laptops are as nice looking as Sony laptops but quite a bit cheaper so I do think that they’re reasonably priced when you take the OS and the look of them into account (obviously you don’t like the OS or the look of Apple laptops to this is kind of a moot point).
They are only cheaper in US. Here in our country Apple costs twice as much as Sony.
The only reason I haven’t used Sony were low resolutions on their screens. Now even Sony moved to resonable resolutions:)
And yes, I had one major annoyance with all my previous PBs (I used to have PBs for my secondary notebook (always, a lot of my work was connected to Apple, now not so much anymore, I’m just droping that kind of job as much as possible and Apple-to-Intel move might maybe even allow me to move away completely) until a while ago. 1.5 years ago is I remember correctly). All PBs started making squeeaking noise when I was opening or closing them. It always started after a 2-3 months. Even first titaniums. And almost all suffered from a dying battery sindrome
I foresee another chip war, much like we did with the P3 and Athlon, where the fierce competition helps drive prices lower and performance higher. This can only be a good thing, especially with more resource-intensive games and OS’s being released in the near future.
Conroe looks to be a powerful, multi-faceted chip – looks to be enough to put Intel back on even footing with AMD. Plus, with Sun’s most recent chip releases, that segment of the server market should see a renewed interest in chip design.
The next year will hold many surprises.
Conroe looks to be a powerful, multi-faceted chip – looks to be enough to put Intel back on even footing with AMD
And AMD will just stay still and wait for Intel?
I see it differently. Intel PR department just realized: If you can’t beat them in one thing (read performance) just invent another (read power-per-watt). So instead of power they just invented power-per-watt. I’m really looking forward to see AMD answering in this direction. All benchmarks in last few years were just too boring. AMD crushed Intel everywhere without a single surprise.
Power-per-watt is not as significant as Intel would like it to sound. My notebook battery has 4.5 hours runtime. And I really can’t remember one single time when I would need more during a day. Second thing is that desktops can’t benefit if power-per-watt is better.
Not all of us could be bothered to wait for apple to switch. I find my AMD3800x2 running Ubuntu an adaquate replacement for my 1.4Ghz G4 mac. I was thinking of buying a Mac mini but spent the money on something much faster instead. OSX looks really nice but it is also quite slow.
Wow and that technical/marketing approach worked _so_ well for Transmeta…