IP attorney Thomas Carey shoots down SCO’s cases against Linux, Linux users, IBM and Novell, but predicts that “SCO will follow Hitler’s example and go on fighting a losing battle”.
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and all 15 of them are about the comparison to Hitler. Most of those 15 probably didn’t RTFA and realize he was comparing the tactics used by both, not the wrongs they committed.
Comparing nazis to some corporation… lol what a bag of douche.
All the commentors on this thread so far are a bunch of douchebags.
Please list the tactics specified within that article shared by SCO and Germany during World War II. Some tenuous comparison of Hitler insisting on waging the war while the Soviets cut through the German military? You might as well replace that with “Remember the Alamo!”
It’s simple.
The strategy of SCO/Caldera is to keep fighting even though the war is lost.
Hitlers strategy was to keep fighting even though the war was lost.
Pretty equal, don’t you think? Of course the analogy could have been made with many other wars or battles in history of mankind. But he chose Hitlers strategy, and so what? It does not make the analogy less valid.
Is just proves certain people are too emotionel about history.
Hitler’s strategy was to shoot himself in the head when he faced being captured by the Soviets. Hitler’s intention was to destroy Germany because it had failed him. You’ll notice a fairly significant difference.
SCO has and will exhaust all of its legal avenues for extracting money, and when it’s all over its board will close up shop having spent all of their investors’ money.
But despite the other commentor’s suggestion, there is no comparison between the tactics used during the war and SCO’s business practices. There was one insignificant blurb comparing Hitler’s hiding in a bunker while under siege by the Soviets, that was obviously used to rely on the emotional significance of World War II to portray SCO’s actions in a sinister light. What the whole thing shows is that people make spurious Hitler references when their cultures are fixated with World War II.
Unless you are in denial of Holocaust you have to be fixated on World War II. If not it WILL happen again. And it must not, so we are fixated on it.
Stop being so emotionel, and put down the gun. The author used an analogy which is quite reasonable whatever your feelings are.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=spurious
People are fixated about World War II, but they typically don’t know much about it. His analogy was weak, but that’s par for the course for emotional rhetoric.
It’s simple.
The strategy of SCO/Caldera is to keep fighting even though the war is lost.
Hitlers strategy was to keep fighting even though the war was lost.
Yeah, I think that was the analogy that Carey was after. Unfortunately, comparisons with Hitler are, 1) often made for the purpose of making somebody look bad through association with Hitler and, 2) overwrought because of the enormity of the catastrophe that was World War II and Hitler’s part in it. These tend to dwarf practically any possible comparison almost to the point of triviality. Thus, Carey chose poorly in that he overlooked the baggage attendent to Hitler comparisons.
I guess it’s pretty well known that even when it seems that it had to be obvious that the war was lost, Hitler maintained a fantasy that some kind of outcome favorable to himself was still possible. He alternately railed against “his” people and professed undying devotion to them (which he anticipated was reciprocated in full) hoping for some masterstroke, e.g., the V weapons, the Messerschmitt Me 262, or the last minute raising of new armies from the Hitler Youth, that would save the day. Alternatively, he may have hoped that some stroke of fate would do it. I understand that his optimism temporarily rose upon hearing of the death of President Roosevelt, thinking that the Alliance would fail without him.
Eventually, of course, the truth will out and Hitler took his own life. Even then, he still had an “escape clause.” He was truly a megalomaniacal madman and imagined that, even in death, he would ultimately be a hero to “the West” for destroying the Jews and fighting Communism.
The SCO management and its investors may be engaged in a self-deception like unto Hitler’s, but the scale is different. When Admiral Doenitz finally surrendered, extinguishing the “Thousand Year Reich” and all it stood for, it was of course a major world event. When SCO finally fails, we may celebrate, but it’ll barely register in the larger scheme of things.
Before we get knee jerk reactions, the hitler comparison comes from the article :
“SCO went after, with lawsuits, Linux customers before. Do you foresee this happening again?
Carey:This might happen again. Hitler fought World War II until the Allies had nearly overrun his bunker. As long as investors are willing to provide the cash, SCO will sue because that is their business model. They will likely go after smaller companies as a means of controlling the cost of litigation.”
But yes it is a bit much. Perhaps he just watched “Der Untergang” ?
Comparing nazis to some corporation… lol what a bag of douche.
not if you consider their business model.
I hope that is just some sort of clever joke that I am too stupid to get.
Which part?
SCO/Calderas business model or the comparison of SCO/Calderas ligitation strategy with Hitlers war strategy, or what?
The original poster implied that comparing SCO to the Nazis was ridiculous. To which the subsequent poster replied that was not the case if you were to consider SCO’s business model. SCO’s business model has little in common either with the extermination of people, nor the strategy of the Nazis. While Hitler with his dimentia had a dream of a scorched Germany, that was not the actual policy of the people waging the war. You can consider it emotional hyperbole or historical revisionism. Either way, I hope it was some manner of humor.
As another poster pointed out the part about Hitler is an analoguy and as such very fitting.
Hitler kept fighting long after the war was lost. So does SCO/Caldera.
Comparing with Hitler DOES NOT equal the compared part has engaged in crimes against humanity. In this case it only means there are some similirities with regard to fighting lost battles.
Some people are unreasonable emotionel about comparing others with Hitler. Grow up.
Please learn English, so that you can read my comments. Especially when you intend to tell others to “grow up.” I’m not the least bit “emotionel” (sic) about any of this.
No where in my comments am I saying you are being emotionel.
Only that people are emotionel if they object against the comparison between SCO/Calderas strategy and Hitlers strategy.
And btw: don’t insult people on a personal level. Just a good advice.
I wasn’t insulting you. I was telling you to learn English, because you weren’t reading my posts correctly and telling me to grow up as a result. I don’t go to Danish forums, misread your posts, and flame you there. Extend that courtesy to others.
BTW: There is no comparison to nazis. There is a comparison to Hitlers strategy of war.
You don’t say? To think, I only had to point that out for you.
Actually I pointed it out in this thread before you did
http://www.osnews.com/permalink.php?news_id=13252&comment_id=84257
http://www.osnews.com/permalink.php?news_id=13252&comment_id=84274
Really? If that’s the case then someone should really fix the timestamp on my post.
Dude, it’s called an analogy. He’s not saying that SCO killed a bunch of Jews. He’s saying that SCO will keep fighting, even if they know they’ve lost, because they have nothing left to lose.
Well he could have chosen something a little better for his analogy.
FFS, now people in CEO positions are being compared to socialist dictators?
Come on folks, this fella, Thomas, is just trying to sensionalize(sp?) the whole thing.
The analogy is quite fine.
There is no need to be so sensitive about it. Comparing SCO/Calderas meaningless war with the Hitlers meaning less war is not sensational.
The only sensation in this is how some people actually have a problem with it. Political correctness aka oppression seems to be pretty wide spread.
He’s not denying it either. b-)
Comparing nazis to some corporation…
Imagine! A lawyer who means Fascism (also known as corporatism back in it’s day) but says Nazism! He may know the law but has lost all credibility as a grammar Nazi! Lucky you were here to take on that role…
You know the real way of criticizing this comment and its parent is to point out that the word Nazi is never used in the article. Making arguments about the suitability of such a comparison is the wrong way.
In my opinion comparing SCO to the biggest loser in history is not that big a stretch really.
If you’re european you’ll know that comparising companies or politicians or whatever with Hitler is rather common.
And in this case the comparison is based on the used strategies, and they do look a lot like each other.
It is a bit odd that he would incite the wrath of Godwin in his article. Aside from avoiding historical parallels altogether though, what should he have done?
Hitler was not the only figure in WW2 who (was prepared to) fight to the end. Should Carey have compared SCO to Churchill?
“We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.”
That would have looked a little odd as well, as not that many find SCO’s cause to be just. If one is to compare them with an historical figure, it should rightly be a villain. Yeah, or maybe just avoid the historical parallels.
Edited 2006-01-10 21:36
Well, no need to avoid historic parallels. Certain people just have to live with the fact that Humanity does have a history. And some of it is black indeed. Just like 2nd World War and SCO-Calderas attack on .. well everybody in gunsight.
Or he could have mixed things up a little and used the Nihonjin or Russians.
Yeah, maybe just avoid the historical parallels.
The best idea yet.
I don’t need a lawyer to tell me SCO’s case is thread bare. It has been marginalized over the past year or so.
Perhaps better to compare SCO to Wile E. Coyote who never catches the Roadrunner, but keeps trying anyway.
And speaking of him, rather than spend all that time and money buying stuff from Acme to catch the Roadrunner, might he not have been better off just ordering a pizza or, since they’re in the Southwest, maybe a couple of burritos?
Well, don’t compare SCO/Caldera to Wile E. Coyote. I don’t like the first but I do like the latter. The never ending optimism is quite lovable. Which SCO/Caldera isn’t.
Ah, but would he be so loveable if he actually catches and eats the roadrunner or is it the fact that we KNOW he will never suceed. Afterall, we could compare Linux to the Roadrunner. Both are threatened by entities seeking to devour them.
This only because the entire conversation is pretty much offtopic anyway…
Godwin before the discussion even started. 🙂
We got a got a poster in here calling everybody a douche bag, and nobody modded that comment down? Meanwhile less offensive comments than that were modded down? What’s the deal already?
I modded several comments down not because they were offensive, but because they are off-topic. Then again, it’s not my job to mod the entire thread down (I don’t have enough points left!)
1. Point out what everyone already knows
2. Make a reference to WW2
3. ???
4. Attention!
Edited 2006-01-11 00:17
Yeah, it’s funny to see it happen.
I’m used to such references so I’m surprised there is all this stuff about WW2. But hey, it gives people a chance to discuss history, which is often a neglected part in the western world.
Why is the legal system allowed to be misused so badly in the USA? Seriously the Supreme Court should put an end to SCO pressure tactics against businesses claiming they are using UNIX code because they use Linux software even though SCO has been unable to provide proof. My hope is that IBM, Novell and Red Hat joins forces and file a class action suit on behalf of all businesses that SCO has harrassed and finally put an end to their legal hoop jumping.
What legal method do you propose for the SCOTUS use to prevent SCO from litigating contract disputes?
Thats it, someone said “hitler”.
Thread Over.
Please rename the Article in “A practical lesson in Godwin’s Law”. Thank you