Microsoft has released an interim build of Windows Vista, Build 5342, today to a select group of testers. This is the first build to come with the ‘real’ Aero Glass: fully scalable vector based transparencies that take advantage of pixel shading. The previous builds contained Aero Express and Aero Express with transparancy, not the real Aero Glass. Other notable improvements: a complete firewall, support for Pocket PC 2000, 2002, and 2003 synchronization, and more. Flexbeta has screenshots, but Flexbeta seems pretty down to me at the moment.
And if you believe that this product will hit store shelves by January 2007, you are, officially, precious.
Well, it’ll hit the shelves around that time for sure.
I don’t like Microsoft, I don’t trust Microsoft, but they are not morons marketing wise.
When they start putting a date on it, you can be sure they will have it ready at that time.
MS do not set a date and then screw it up. They do however tend to set a year on final delivery and they do tend to screw that up.
But not now when they are so determined to have it out early 2007.
Well, it’ll hit the shelves around that time for sure.
I don’t like Microsoft, I don’t trust Microsoft, but they are not morons marketing wise.
When they start putting a date on it, you can be sure they will have it ready at that time.
MS do not set a date and then screw it up. They do however tend to set a year on final delivery and they do tend to screw that up.
But not now when they are so determined to have it out early 2007.
C’mon now!!! MS set a release date of November 2006, and before that it was the summer of ’06, and before that it was late ’05. MS has been late on every release of Windows for as long as I can remember? Do you remember Windows 97?
YES I DO!! AND WINDOWS 94 (AKA WINDOWS 4) BEFORE THAT!!!
Read what I’m writing.
When they start putting a date on it, you can be sure they will have it ready at that time
AND
They do however tend to set a year on final delivery and they do tend to screw that up.
When Microsoft doesn’t put a date but only but a cirka time for delivery then you can be sure they’ll screw up.
But when they start to put a real date on it, then it’s coming for sure.
Windows 98 came in 1998, Windows 2000 actually came in 1999 (ME coming in 2000 – at least in Denmark, and XP in 2001).
Microsoft have also screwed with deadline with Vista, but they won’t screw again. It will come january 2007. But I still consider Vista a lot of warm air.
Did you read the article I pointed to?
The October 6, 1999 release date for Windows 2000, the first exact scheduled date, was positively confirmed. Microsoft’s internal schedule was made public first in WinInfo and then later on IDG.NET and other sites.
Microsoft’s original RTM date of October 6th came and went without word from Microsoft, leaving some to speculate that the Fall Comdex ’99 launch was in doubt.
Fall Comdex 99, scheduled as the original launch date, would now come and go without the anticipated launch festivities.
Microsoft Corporation announced on December 15, 1999 that Windows 2000 had gone gold with the simple note that “Windows 2000 is ready for business: Feb. 17, 2000.”
The product was actually launched at an IDG event in 2000.
Edited 2006-03-26 00:17
Read what I’m writing.
When they start putting a date on it, you can be sure they will have it ready at that time
AND
They do however tend to set a year on final delivery and they do tend to screw that up.
When Microsoft doesn’t put a date but only but a cirka time for delivery then you can be sure they’ll screw up.
I read what you said it just doesn’t make any sense. They have put a date on it before and they were wrong as I explained. I don’t think you read what I said. They explicity said November of 06 just as they are saying January of 07 now. How is that any different?
When they start putting a date on it, you can be sure they will have it ready at that time.
Um, I take it you don’t remember “Cairo”. http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/win2k_gold.asp
Most people had assumed that Windows 2000, nee NT 5.0, was going to be Microsoft’s biggest release screwup ever. So much for that theory…
Here are some screenshots.
http://www.msblog.org/album/thumbnails.php?album=16
Nice +1
see:
http://www.msblog.org/album/displayimage.php?pid=61&fullsize=1
they have moved the color chooser from the window bottom to the top!
Thats a real rework in 12 years of paint development!
If it isn’t broken then there is no need to fix it, all it did was get a facelift. Theres probably more than meets the eye, you just judge things withought using them.
Paint does that it was meant to do pretty well imho.
that depend on what you expect.
I would expect the following from a reworked Paint:
* move the Tools and their properties on the left as well as the color
chooser to floating palettes
* make Paint a multi document app
Edited 2006-03-25 20:39
> they have moved the color chooser from the window bottom to the top!
I could already do that with the Win98 version
Edited 2006-03-25 22:41
Damn, you guys can be mean! HAHA But great comment!
http://mirrordot.org/stories/451603e72396736d3165314be64e9a25/index…
http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2006/03/vista-2007-fire-leadership-now…
http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2006/03/sinofsky-to-rescue.html#commen…
It seems to me that it’s better to consider Windows Vista a fork of Windows that will support .NET very well and will support legacy Win32 and such stuff rather badly.
That is, if you are going to use Windows Vista because of its shiny theme, .NET, XAML, and IE 7, you shouldn’t expect a lot more than that, like perfect hardware support and perfect backwards compatibility.
It seems to me that it’s better to consider Windows Vista a fork of Windows that will support .NET very well and will support legacy Win32 and such stuff rather badly.
Why would you say that? There are very few MS applications that will be .NET when Vista ships. In fact almost everything is still Win32. If what you say is really true then Vista will be worse than XP.
Because they are having problems with app compatibility and they have changed the old help system of applications to a new one.
I’m not sure, but I interpreted some data correctly, it seems that only 40% of some compability tests are going ok for Windows Vista, and they probably need that number closer to 100%.
Some of this stuff is in the comments on MiniMsft. There is this one also in the case of the help:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/default.aspx?pull=/library/e…
The best way to describe Windows Vista, if they don’t work really hard on it, is that Windows Vista does indeed seem like a fork of the Windows 2000, XP and 2003 base, because otherwise they shouldn’t be having half of the issues that they are having.
I would say that Windows Vista has many cool aspects that will make a great sale, but they haven’t been paying attention to some of the infraestructure. Like, they automated a lot of testing, really creeping the responsible testing department/division. They offshored a part of it, even. This part is in the comments on MiniMsft as well.
So this took them five years to develop?
Well you can’t argue about taste,but i see still to much resemblance with windows blinds and fisher price.I hope the code underneath the GUI is more mature and looks (*is*) better.
I must fully agree.
When you see screenshots like these:
http://www.msblog.org/album/displayimage.php?album=16&pos=6
“This dialog has been completely re-designed for ease of use.” <- Remote assistance.
5 years for moving some buttons and adding a new icon.
I fail to see how they dare present screenshots like these.
Except it hasn’t been in dev five years, they restarted the project using an updated Windows 2003 codebase.
There are only so many ways you can organize a “Remote Assistance” dialog..
Yes it has.
“Microsoft first talked about “Longhorn” in the summer of 2001, even before Windows XP’s release in October of that year. It was originally expected to ship sometime late in 2003″
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista
Hello can you read, the actual Vista codebase, the one in the CTP has only been in development for 2-3 years and even so most of the code is reworked is under the hood but then again since you fail to grasp even the most common of factual information I wouldn’t expect you to understand that.
The fact that they had to restart with the codebase doesn’t restart the clock.
Maybe according to you because otherwise it makes absolutely no sense.
heh.. ok.. even if it was 5 years, they have obveously done a bit more than redesign ONE dialog… how bout you THINK before posing a comment..
Nice, all those fancy screenshots, but to me they’re not much different from all the current versions of Windows. Still the same new ugly taskbar, same new window decorations…
Sure, they can’t show screenshots of how they improved security, stability, etc., but in all this time, they couldn’t even make taskbar/decorations customizable? I prefer to work with KDE because I can change little annoying things, for instance, make the taskbar less intrusive http://www.deviantart.com/view/27974197/ .(example)
Already I feel turned off if I have to look at the default XP theme, let alone have to look at Aero when providing tech support.
If only it were more like so many FOSS Window managers (E17, KDE, *box, etc, etc..)
Nice deviation 🙂
Thanks.
At least with one favorable opinion it shows my taste doesn’t fancy everyone. 🙂
That screenshot looks like absolute crap. What’s the point of having a completely transparent taskbar? The taskbar is still there. It gets in the way just as much as a semi-transparent taskbar. God damn Linux zealots…
I beg your pardon…
KDE is a DE for different platforms and are soon coming to a Windows box near you!(At least KDE4 libs)
And btw that dude runs FreeBSD – you can see the kernel config in the screenshot.
Indeed that screenshot was crap..btw
Maybe mine is a better example http://openzource.org/amarok_kde.png ?
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yours crap too
Then you perhaps like mine better. I like a clean, smooth desktop without any clutter – so I chose Gnome.
http://www.geekspot.de/gnome-1.png
http://www.geekspot.de/gnome-2.png
http://www.geekspot.de/gnome-3.png
http://www.geekspot.de/gnome-4.png
http://www.geekspot.de/gnome-5.png
http://www.geekspot.de/gnome-6.png
http://www.geekspot.de/gnome-7.png
Tom
I realise that KDE runs on different platforms. I think KDE’s a great DE. When I use Linux, I usually prefer to use GNOME ’cause I like its defaults whereas with KDE, it takes me about half an hour to set it up the way I like it.
Usually clueless comments like the guy’s to whom I was replying come from Linux zealots. It’s less likely that he would have been a FreeBSD user (that screenshot may not necessarily have come from his desktop), because FreeBSD users would be more likely to have a clue.
Windows has many valid criticisms but morons still manage to attack it with utter clueless crap.
Let’s see.. *counts* One, two, three at home, one two at work, five FreeBSD machines I’m running full-time, the first has been running for years while in the meantime other have been replaced with newer hardware. Now.. *counts* One. One Gentoo GNU/Linux machine, first setup two weeks ago.
We’re an MS shop at work so the amount of Win95, 2000, XP, 2003, and even one 3.11 are in the hundreds.
Yeah, I’m a Linux zealot. *rolls eyes*
If you don’t want to look like some clueless zealot or moron yourself it’s better to discuss things and not slam down with biased conclusions and namecalling. That’s childish.
Oh, and take more care to read properly, the “to me” part I started the comment with showed it was my opinion, not some fact I’m pushing onto other people.
OK, I’m sorry. I still think you’re wrong though :p
*lol*
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The point of a transparent task bar is that it looks more like a few icons than a completely empty coloured bar going across the entire screen.
One of the reasons I guess why people prefer the small(er) panels that’s default with CDE, XFCE, etc.
That looks like crap.
My eyes! Ugh — I’d rather you’d linked to goatse.cx than that monstrosity.
Will purchase Vista. Xgl/compiz will outpace any graphics capabilities Windows or Mac have in the UI.
Only problem that lies ahead is advertising…
Many people will automatically purchase Vista when they buy new machines.
Many current Windows users will upgrade to Vista to avail of its new spiffy UI, better security, new features and better stability (whether Vista will actually deliver these remains to be seen).
While Xgl and XEGL (or whatever the Redhat version’s called) are great and will make way for more functionality in free desktop systems as well as providing smoother, snappier free desktop systems, many people will not switch over because their windows programs will not run on Linux/*BSD/whatever else.
While Xgl and XEGL (or whatever the Redhat version’s called) are great and will make way for more functionality in free desktop systems as well as providing smoother, snappier free desktop systems, many people will not switch over because their windows programs will not run on Linux/*BSD/whatever else.
Truer words have never been spoken. Look, I’m a Windows user and when I look at these new Vista screenshots, I’m just hoping that they have an option to turn the Win32 classic theme back on. This means that I don’t give a rat’s ass about the eye candy in Vista, and I sure as hell don’t give a rat’s ass about it in Linux or OSX either.
I’ve seen some idiotic comments from those in the Linux camp that goes something like “Oh, Vista is delayed for 2 months. This will give Linux a little more time to …” Let me fill you in on something. Those of us who know about Linux and were interested in switching would’ve done so by now. We’re not sitting on pins and needles waiting for Vista to arrive. Even if they delayed it til 2010, it wouldn’t really matter. In fact, I’d consider it a good thing because the longer they spend on it, the better quality product it will be. Plus, XP is running smoother than a baby’s ass for me, so I’m pretty content. The only ones who are eagerly awaiting the arrival of Vista are Microsoft and PC hardware vendors. Otherwise …
1) Linux and Mac pundits are dreading it because it’ll be the first release from the competition in 5 years
2) Companies that sell security products are dreading it because Vista is going to cut into their sales
3) Most end users seem to have a ho-hum attitude towards it
I know many of you await new releases of Linux kernels and distros like they were the second coming of Christ. But as for Windows uers, we just don’t care.
You know, other than the new audio stack, the one feature I’d love to see in Vista is if I could put in a DVD or CD-ROM and not have the whole f**king OS grind to a hault. If they’d just do that one little thing, I’d be happier about that than anything else I’ve seen so far.
See this comment from MiniMsft if you think you don’t have alternatives:
This is just my observation. Nothing more.
Disclaimer: I’m a retired old fart. I use a Mac at home. I don’t code, and I wouldn’t even call me a power user. In addition to my Macs (2, networked) I have an old IBM laptop and a Dell (for special apps that I run every now and then)
Since January of last year, I’ve had some interesting calls:
Friend 1. Retired photo-in-annual-report senior Wall Street executive . Bought a Mac. Had some problems. Apple store was great to him. THEY insisted they replace his machine with a new one (there was nothing wrong with the first one, BTW). I’ve been helping him learn OS X. His biggest problem has been learning how to do things easier than he could with his Dell/Windows machine, which is now in his basement for his grandkids to play with. Hasn’t called for help now in a couple of months.
Friend 2. Analyst for custom Windows-based clients. Codes, too. Bought his daughter an eMac last year. Calls me for advice now and then. Last month he informed me that his next computer (for personal use) will be an iMac. Keeps his peecee for work.
Daughter. Always used Windows-based PCs. Professional potter. She took my old Power Computing 180 under OS 8.6 and is using it for about half her apps now. Next replacement for her machine will be an iMac.
Son. Senior exec at a cable TV and internet firm. Heavy Dell user. Very knowledgable. Intends to move his 2 daughters to Mac laptops, and probably his own home computer as well within the next 2 years.
I don’t see any movement at all in the corporate world from Windows to Macs, so you guys will always have jobs at MS. There’s just too much money already spent for hardware and software, and too few Mac-savvy people to even partially staff IT departments. I DO see individuals moving to Macs and OS X at home. Lots of people.
I’m no Apple apologist. I prefer Firefox to Safari, Now up-to-date over the OS X Calendar, and Eudora over Apple’s mail program. My Office 2000 runs fine here and I use it all the time.
So maybe Apple can pick up a good share of the consumer market. It’s just a drop in the bucket, after all, and most home users aren’t all that anxious to upgrade their OS anyway. One of my Macs is running 10.2.9 and the other 10.3.9. Maybe I’ll upgrade to 10.5, and maybe I won’t.
So I don’t see any problem with getting Vista out to the masses a couple of months late. Those who want to will wait, and most of them won’t even bother.
Sleep easy.
http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2006/03/vista-2007-fire-leadership-now…
I don’t see any movement at all in the corporate world from Windows to Macs, so you guys will always have jobs at MS. There’s just too much money already spent for hardware and software, and too few Mac-savvy people to even partially staff IT departments. I DO see individuals moving to Macs and OS X at home. Lots of people.
You should not be surprised to see people using Macs, they have significant share approaching 5% –> 1 in 20 and contrary to popular belief always have that share.
Ya know, I was looking for a semi-lightweight PC for the bedroom so I could hook it up to my Triton Extreme synth. Looked at the new Mac Minis … was interested at first, but the one with the dual core is $700. And you can get a *lot* of PC for $700
For my purposes, most if the iLife apps would’ve been pretty useless, except for maybe Garageband. And even its MIDI capabilities are pretty limited. Conversely, I’ve already got a legal copy of Adobe Audition I could install on a Windows PC. To do that on a Mac Mini, I’d either have to get a Mac binary, or else purchase a copy of WinXP to run on it, and that would’ve been 200 bones in addition to the $700 for the Mini.
And you can get a *lot* of PC for $700
I’m really interested in the new mini because I’ve already been using an old G4 mini as my primary machine for more than a year. The new mini with a dual core processor, front row with remote, audio in, gigabit ethernet, more USB ports, and support for 2GB ram sounds really good to me. It would significantly improve the performance of all the applications I’m using now. Plus the new mini can run all the Pro apps. The G4 mini couldn’t run Logic.
Yes, you can get a PC that weighs a *lot* more, is a *lot* bigger, and is susceptible to a *lot* more viruses and spyware for $700, but it will be a *lot* uglier, a *lot* louder, and it will run an OS that is a *lot* more stodgy and outdated.
FrontRow, GarageBand, iMovie, iDVD, Final Cut Pro, DVD Studio Pro, iPhoto, Aperture and Logic only run on a Mac. That makes the choice of whether to buy a Mac or a PC a no brainer for me. Even if I were just buying something to hook up the the TV to play DVDs, I’d still get a mini.
Yes, you can get a PC that weighs a *lot* more, is a *lot* bigger, and is susceptible to a *lot* more viruses and spyware for $700, but it will be a *lot* uglier, a *lot* louder
It will be bigger and heavier, but not necessarily louder. My two PCs are both ultra quiet. The degree to which they are susceptible to viruses and such depends on the end user. For me, it’s highly unlikely
As for being uglier, I have a theory that Mac users are the only ones who care about this sort of thing. I have to admit that I do like the style and the form factor for the Mini, but I’d gladly give it up for a faster hard drive and better expanadability via PCI slots.
and it will run an OS that is a *lot* more stodgy and outdated.
Of course, you could probably run OSX on it, if you wanted to go that route
FrontRow, GarageBand, iMovie, iDVD, Final Cut Pro, DVD Studio Pro, iPhoto, Aperture and Logic only run on a Mac. That makes the choice of whether to buy a Mac or a PC a no brainer for me. Even if I were just buying something to hook up the the TV to play DVDs, I’d still get a mini.
Yeah, there are definitely some high-quality professional apps on the Mac, but you’re not going to want to run many of them on the Mac Mini, especially if you don’t have at least 1GB of RAM.
Lots of people are commenting on how long it’s taken, and all they see are a few new buttons and a new task bar.
The point of Vista is everything under the hood – more effecient, user friendly, and secure. That’s what they’ve been spending their time on.
But I ask, what’s the point of testing these development versions and using them, if we now know 60% of the code will be re-written?
First, 60% of the code is NOT being rewritten. Pay attention.
But you’re right, most of the stuff is under the hood. It’s funny how people judge everything based on screenshots. “So they’ve changed a few windows and added a new theme in 5 years thats it?!”
People are so tired of those “We put a lot of stuff under the hood to be sharpened and better – safier then ever”; So nowadays the business trick is; “Weeell we have 3d accelerated gui – it make you work better!”
Sry that’s the way it is
That’s great if they are “tired” of it. That’s their problem. There are tons of changes under the hood and a change in look&feel as well. If people can’t accept reality, that’s tough.
Because until Vista Service Pack 1 comes around, it will be too unstable.
But it’s a pity that people can’t leave Windows for good due to the Windows-only programs. I feel sorry for them.
Ah I see the ‘judge software by staring at screenshots’ brigade is in full force today.
>Because until Vista Service Pack 1 comes around, it
>will be too unstable.
Well I imagine if they take the extra time they are taking to get it right, it will be worth it.
>But it’s a pity that people can’t leave Windows for
>good due to the Windows-only programs. I feel sorry
>for them.
Well, don’t feel sorry for us. We don’t have to waste time trying to get our printer to work by trying to compile code ourselves just to do something simple that already works on Windows.
I don’t hate Linux at all, but I feel like this entire freedom thought process and everything behind it is just hype and it’s all the sheep following this hype instead of investing in better software and applications where people can use them.
The closer we get to a Desktop and Server release of Vista, the more violent and outspoken the linux zealots are going to be.
Hey, just found a cool comment:
Not many people here gets the truth. Vista is a job security for 12000+ people. As long as it does not ship, their jobs are secure including mangements’. We will keep delaying and nobody outside of Microsoft will be missing it.
I gave up dogfooding Vista because it is so lame. It looks cool for 10 minutes but then you get used to it and then realized it is not better than XP because you use APPLICATIONS, not an OS when you use a PC. Who cares about an OS or a desktop? I can just use Windows Blind to make my desktop look as cool without slowing down performance, taking up more HDD space and without breaking things that are working today with my XP.
Then again, Microsoft never understood that it’s all about content. Look at X Box 360. They never understood that gaming is about contents. Polishing crappy contents with amzaing graphics will not make gaming experience better and Aero and all the glass crap will not make the PC experience (which will be worsened by bloated slow Vista) better.
So, plesae, if you are from Windows organization, stop whining and start embracing the delay as it is a blessing. As long as we do not ship Vista, public will never know how inept, unimaginative, incompetent and stupid we are and how lamne Vista truly is. Anyone wanting to ship Vista in Windows organization is either insance or a masochist. Let’s all admit, the dealy, the endless delay, is good for us and nobody out there will really care.
Vista looks like crap! Why didn’t they buy a OS like Apple did. MS could of had BeOS probably.
Sad MS had all the money and talent, but they can’t come up with anything new. It has to be a management problem of not letting engineers invent.
Very Sad MS
If Vista comes out as stable and secure as promised there won’t be any need for Linux or MacOS.
Windows Vista will have the features, minus the WinFS at launch. Linux or MacOS doesn’t have anything like WinFS anyway and no spotlight isn’t anywhere near WinFS.
A lot of the features of Vista is mentioned here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista
Dude, I’m not worried one bit about Windows Vista. You know what we fear? We fear the unknown. Whenever we read about things, and learn about things, we don’t need to fear things unnecessarily.
I know quite a bit about Windows and quite a bit about Linux. I try to keep up-to-date with the news. I know that Borland is selling the IDE tools (including Delphi), that Microsoft is having problem with Windows Vista, that Ubuntu Dapper Drake will probably be supported between 3 and 5 years, that Xfce 4.4 will rock, etc.
I don’t fear Windows Vista. I can tell you that I’m not going to use Windows Vista before 2008, though. And I’m not going to use .NET before I can use it in Windows Vista, because some of the .NET tools are going to be deprecated after Windows Vista.
Really. Fear what? It’s people who know little about Linux that fear it. The stupidest persons who may be ruinning Microsoft fear Linux. You know how many people work with Linux/Open Source on Microsoft? About 10 folks. In a universe of 60000 employees, it basically means that most folks at Microsoft are still unaware of the Linux strenghts. But they aren’t all that different from most IT people.
From the user’s point of view, exactly how is WinFS more powerful than Spotlight? Both are short of the potential of Reiser4, which integrates a database into the underlying filesystem, but both should be comparable to each other.
Looking through the list I see in your post, I don’t see more than a handful of things that aren’t in OS X already, much less won’t be in 10.5 when it comes out. The most interesting is transactional NTFS, which, if implemented the way it sounds, will be a killer addition to the filesystem.
Other than that, what is in there that you’re so excited about? A lot of Vista is just Microsoft catching up with the rest of the world. XPS? How is that better than integrated PDF support? Multimedia services in userspace? Yeah, that particular feature is long overdue. Userspace drivers? Please, Linux has been doing that for years. Composited desktop? Half a decade behind OS X on that one, and depending on how NDL10 shapes up, behind Linux on it as well!
Also, I think one thing that is often overlooked is the propagation factor. Because of the size of the Windows userbase, new features take substantial amounts of time to be generally used by applications. It will be years before Windows apps pervasively take advantage of new features in Vista, while on OS X the Quartz transition is already complete, and Spotlight integration is well underway. On Linux cairo-ization is already happening, with applications like Mozilla using it for some very ambitious features (integrated SVG/HTML rendering path). Unless the Vista takeup is uncharacteristically rapid, it will be a couple of years before the majority of users have transitioned. Until then, the applications just won’t be there to fully show off the system.
Edited 2006-03-26 01:52
If Vista comes out as stable and secure as promised there won’t be any need for Linux or MacOS.
With Microsoft’s track record of keeping promises, Mac and Linux don’t have anything to worry about.
If Vista comes out as stable and secure as promised there won’t be any need for Linux or MacOS.
You seem to be missing the point of free as in freedom. I for one will never deal with product activation again. I can do whatever I want with the software I use. Some people value that, and always will, even if Vista is an awesome, secure OS (for the same of 90% of computer users, I hope it is).
>Vista looks like crap! Why didn’t they buy a OS like
>Apple did. MS could of had BeOS probably.
Most people think it looks great. Why would they want to buy BEOS? What is BEOS doing today? yeah, I thought so.
>Sad MS had all the money and talent, but they can’t
>come up with anything new. It has to be a management
>problem of not letting engineers invent.
There are things that are new that are not in any OS. Here have a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista
Strange how people take rumours like release dates and turn them into ‘facts’.
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Vista date rumor? MS announced it on their presspass site so thats not a rumor…
Vista date rumor? MS announced it on their presspass site so thats not a rumor…
Did you read my second follow up post in reference to release dates? no. Then give that a read.
“If Vista comes out as stable and secure as promised there won’t be any need for Linux or MacOS.”
Stop taking crack!
//Stop taking crack!//
One doesn’t *take* crack, one smokes it.
And, we’ve all moved on to X or meth. Get with it!
You do realise that the road map for Windows has been revised several times already – Windows Longhorn was meant to be released in 2003, but that was scrapped in favour of pushing it out to 2005/2006, and Blackcomb, the successor to Windows Longhorn/Vista, is pretty much off the radar for now.
Lets stop the bullshit and face the reality that just *maybe* (being the optimist that I am), Microsoft might actually release a product that isn’t totally shit.
Maybe the issue is not whether it’s “total shit”, but whether it’s going to be worth all the hype that’s built up around it, and whether it’s really going to wipe out OS X and Linux once and for all like so many of the regulars here seem to think. Maybe even whether the five years and tons of money and manpower they put into it makes it the best OS out there.
and whether it’s really going to wipe out OS X and Linux once and for all like so many of the regulars here seem to think.
Only a few well known idiot trolls have even suggested that.
I want Vista to do well, because it will fuel better competition. I also want Linux and OSX to put out good products as well.
Maybe the issue is not whether it’s “total shit”, but whether it’s going to be worth all the hype that’s built up around it, and whether it’s really going to wipe out OS X and Linux once and for all like so many of the regulars here seem to think. Maybe even whether the five years and tons of money and manpower they put into it makes it the best OS out there.
Excuse me, but who has said “wipe out OS X and Linx and for all”? you can’t kill OS X or Linux by virtue of the fact even if Microsoft came out with a 100% stable, had no security or stability bugs, and every application ran perfectly, there would still be a group who would choose to run those operating systems – for various reasons.
I’m going to give Fedora a go; and see how that pans out, but in the same measure, I think people need to realise that Linux will not get over that barrier to mainstream use until they get a decent network of ISV’s providing boxed products to the public, in the local retail outlets.
Nowadays you cant argue that Gnu/Linux is safier then Windows. You can secure Windoze quite good, if you know what to change yaddayadda..
Anyway there are some people that argue in the situation of freedom and privacy – I don’t think the main reason to move to Gnu/Linux will be a more secure os; instead more freedom and privacy.
So in the end, I cannot say something before Vista have been used for 3,4 years – but the argument Gnu/Linux is more secure wouldn’t be there anymore.
As Microsoft cannot show like gnome hackers have done recently how they have been optimizing the code (GSlice etc….) They have to show something viewable.
In this way I understand them.
You cannot really speak anything about Aero, itsn’t a finished product yet.
So people..before argue, wait for the beeeep!
Personal opinion here:
UGH!!!!!!
You took to trouble of editing the taskbar, yet you kept the default KDE 3.5 windows decorations? I highly recommend you try Clearlooks.
Nice!
(btw, my previous post is in reply to the original “Fancy” post – OSNews’ post threading is really unintuitive, isn’t it?)
kept the default KDE 3.5 windows decorations?
You have not tried KDE in a long time I see. As far as I can tell he uses the Keramik window decoration, and that one has not been the default in KDE since version 3.3. The default decoration in 3.4 and 4.5 are Plastik.
>You seem to be missing the point of free as in
>freedom. I for one will never deal with product
>activation again. I can do whatever I want with the
>software I use. Some people value that, and always
>will, even if Vista is an awesome, secure OS (for
>the same of 90% of computer users, I hope it is).
Microsoft sells an Operating system that makes them money and a lot of people take advantage of that and pirate it.
I don’t have a problem with product activation and never have had a problem. I would put the same activation if I sold an OS too. It’s not about freedom unless you are talking about freedom to pirate or not pay for anything. In that case, piracy isn’t freedom, it’s a choice. I would rather people not have that choice.
I would hope that you have an alarm on your car. I live in Los Angeles and it would be stupid of me not to have a car alarm of some sort on my car.
I would not want to drive a stolen car, would you? The same thing applies to Software. I would not want to have a stolen OS on my computer either.
I just got laid off from my Job here in Los Angeles, but I am not going to steal an OS and I don’t have to use a free (as in beer) OS either.
I pay for things worth paying for and Windows is fine by me and I don’t mind paying for it.
Remember, just because you have product activation, it doesn’t mean that you can’t use the OS in whatever way you feel like using it.
It’s a check to make sure you haven’t pirated windows and as long as you have bought it in some way doesn’t mean you are not free or have lost rights.
This free as in speech thing is highly overrated.
I think it of it like some kids of hippies that are bored decided to make up some liberal non-sense to make Open Source software sound better.
I can compile just as good on Windows as you can on linux. Just because Microsoft doesn’t give the source code away to everyone doesn’t mean that I am somehow limited in what I can do on any open platform.
Tomorrow I could decide to write something cool for Windows and put out the source code for people to modify. I can do all this under windows just like you can on Linux. Somehow your perception of freedom is just to say that your effort is better because of ONLY the OS and I disagree.
It’s still a bit funny that you use a KDE wallpaper…
Anyway, you know it’s possible to make KDE look as uncluttered, if you want. It’s a highly customizable desktop.