Bill Gates himself writes about how he works in his office. “It’s pretty incredible to look back 30 years to when Microsoft (Research) was starting and realize how work has been transformed. We’re finally getting close to what I call the digital workstyle. If you look at this office, there isn’t much paper in it. On my desk I have three screens, synchronized to form a single desktop. I can drag items from one screen to the next. Once you have that large display area, you’ll never go back, because it has a direct impact on productivity.”
Swallowing hard, I have to agree with the dude about multiple screens. Having multiple LCD flat-panels is undoubtably the best way to work as far as productivity goes.
However, if Windows didn’t have just one desktop by default, it wouldn’t be such a dramatic difference for the old convict. Luckily, ATI, nVidia and others have made “free” paging utilities available for Windows. The downside is that they seem to make it mildly unstable, in my experience.
I use a shareware utility called AltDesk that works great. It’s got adjustable transparency, user defined number of workspaces, hover popups of thumbnail pics.
Workspaces are still a poor substitute for having a lot of visible screen real estate.
Yep, same here. I’ve used AltDesk on every version of Windows from Windows 98 through XP, and it is very stable.
The price isn’t bad either.
When we bought our Macs, back in November of 2002, the one thing I really missed was virtual desktops. I hunted around the web until I found CodeTek Virtual Desktop. I’ve been using that one since January of 2003.
Got to love them virtual desktops!
/still wishes I had two or three LCD monitors though.
//perhaps I would settle for one 30″ Apple Cinema display though (but imagine two of those!)
Yeah.. if large working area is that great.. how come he hasn’t demanded virtual desktops in Windows by default? For his tablet PC and such…
Aside from that, I’d have expected his office to look more high tech.. you know.. as though it’s completely automated or something. He must not share my ideals
Don’t worry, right now it’s probably too confusing for users but so was tabbed browsing.
Yeah.. if large working area is that great.. how come he hasn’t demanded virtual desktops in Windows by default? For his tablet PC and such…
You do realize that a virtual desktop and a large working area (i.e. 3 LCDs) is a completely different thing/experience?
Swallowing hard????????????????
This is not a Windows thing!!!!!
Most OSes have been doing it for years.
Plus no virtual desktops???
Dude.
Don’t buy the load he is selling.
Just my opinion.
“This is not a Windows thing!!!!!
Most OSes have been doing it for years. “
It’s true enough that having several monitors in a multi-head setup wasn’t one of Microsoft’s creations, but when did that become a competition? I don’t remember seeing him take credit for it.
“Don’t buy the load he is selling.”
I didn’t see him advertising much of anything, the guy has to be able to mention his products if he’s describing what he uses in his office otherwise we’d have rumors like those that he uses a Mac 😉 . This really didn’t look like a sales pitch, if anything it was just his occasional appearance in the news so we don’t forget he exists.
He does have a nice looking office. My desk is still hidden somewhere under all the CD’s, CD sleves, papers and writing implements.
Yeah I always get a bigger monitor each year , since I discovered the world of difference a couple inch mean!
I’m like addicted.
since I discovered the world of difference a couple inch mean!
Hey are you the one who’s been sending me all those emails 😉 ?
One reason I hated developing on windows was because of the lack of any stable virtual desktops. I don’t know when was the last time you used nvidia but the drivers have really advanced alot in the last couple of versions and they seem really stable.
>I don’t know when was the last time you used nvidia but
>the drivers have really advanced alot in the last couple
>of versions and they seem really stable.
About three years for me. I don’t doubt that they have stabilized them, perhaps even with patches sent back to MS.
> All that productivity and yet Vista is still not here
Thom says it is!
> Swallowing hard????????????????
Agreeing with Bill Gates (convicted criminal, did I mention that?) doesn’t come easy to me.
> Don’t buy the load he is selling.
You misread me. I’m agreeing with his use of multiple desktops, but I was never under the impression that he invented them. On the contrary, I first used virtual desktops back in 1995-ish on CDE using a SPARC 10. Actually, scratch that, I used them on my Amiga 2000.
“Agreeing with Bill Gates (convicted criminal, did I mention that?) doesn’t come easy to me.”
Not that I like BG or anything but exactly what crime has he been convicted for?
Not that I like BG or anything but exactly what crime has he been convicted for?
just some minor traffic stuff, google for “Bill Gates mugshot”.
Yeha, i knew about that. I just figured it might have been something else, something remotely serious.
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Love him or hate him, but Bill Gates has always had the digital lifestyle vision. His vow to get a pc in every home. Then moved on to every school. Now his company creates mobile devices (the origami) to take with you.
On my desk I have three screens, synchronized to form a single desktop. I can drag items from one screen to the next. Once you have that large display area, you’ll never go back, because it has a direct impact on productivity.
Buy more monitors, buy bigger monitors, upgrade to Vista to handle bigger monitors…… Hang on…
At Microsoft, e-mail is the medium of choice, more than phone calls, documents, blogs, bulletin boards, or even meetings (voicemails and faxes are actually integrated into our e-mail in-boxes).
Be afraid. Be very afraid. I’m sorry to point out to Mr. Gates that e-mail is useful up to a point, but it very, very quickly starts becoming an excuse for people not to talk and not to confront each other face to face. This must be why Vista is late.
I deal with this by using SharePoint, a tool that creates websites for collaboration on specific projects.
Ah, here we go.
These sites contain plans, schedules, discussion boards, and other information, and they can be created by just about anyone in the company with a couple of clicks.
Ah, you mean online bulletin boards, blogging, using Plone, Drupal, Mediawiki? Stuff like that. All nicely bundled in a neat paragraph that makes it sound totally plausible that Microsoft is the only company, making the only software, which can possibly do this in the world. Incredible.
Another digital tool that has had a big effect on my productivity is desktop search.
Desktop search? Would that be Google’s then? Or has WinFS made big strides I’m not aware of?
I get 90% of my news online, and when I go to a meeting and want to jot things down, I bring my Tablet PC.
Hmmm. One of those things no one buys which you just don’t seem to get?
It’s fully synchronized with my office machine so I have all the files I need. It also has a note-taking piece of software called OneNote…
Well that might sound great internally at Microsoft, but no company has the time or the money to spend setting up that kind of system, as well as all the various extra licenses they need of course :-). Strangely, they have other things to do.
The one low-tech piece of equipment still in my office is my whiteboard.
Stone the crows.
I don’t have that right now, but probably I’ll get a digital whiteboard in the next year.
Ahh. Illusion lost.
When people come in Monday morning, they’ll see that I’ve been quite busy� they’ll have a lot of e-mail.
I’m sure they’re thankful of that.
What, exactly, is your problem?
Seriously.
What, exactly, is your problem?
Seriously.
There’s my point :-). ROTFL.
What smells like blue?
What, exactly, is your problem?
Seriously.
Probably the same thing that is my problem with the interview: Bill Gates talks about ‘how wonderful’ his company’s products are, and in the meantime his OS and assorted products aren’t exactly known for being loved, with the rare exception of Visual Studio (which he doesn’t mention here). He speaks of tools for cooperation on projects and how in his company everyone communicates via email, while if we read certain blogs from employees, the one thing that seems wrong in the company is the lack or unhealthyness of communication, leading to the previously announced massive delays.
Something doesn’t add up in this infomercial.
What do you expect? Seriously…
“Hi I’m Bill Gates, founder of Microsoft .. I use Microsoft software extensively and it has proved to be prone to regular, major security issues. Our security team advises running three anti-spyware/malware tools -AND- anti-virus software (including our own) but ultimately we cannot clean our own systems of the problem and have to resort to regular reinstalls. In addition, using our technology extensively has led to delays in both our major products: Windows and Office. All our major competitors do not seem to have this issue. Instead of centralizing our infrastructure to reduce licensing and hardware costs, our software needs a license on each device you use. So if you have two desktops, laptop and tablet PC, you need four separate licenses for each piece of Microsoft software. Competitors like Sun promote the idea of “Thin Clients” where you can go from one terminal to the next and have instant access to your entire desktop and apps. Great for you, bad for Microsoft (less licensing revenue).”
I dunno.. I just don’t see him saying this.
What do you expect? Seriously…
Fair enough. Seeing Bill Gates come out and say he rather uses Macs might be a bit much to ask. I just have trouble taking this man seriously, and that’s what I wanted to say. Microsoft hasn’t had any sort of vision short of finding new ways to lock in clients for a long time. Or ever actually, depending on how you view it. I’m just a bit tired of the industry looking at him as a sort of visionary because he has more money than everyone else. He’s just a shrewd buisnessman, and I don’t care much for his pitch.
At Microsoft, e-mail is the medium of choice, more than phone calls, documents, blogs, bulletin boards, or even meetings (voicemails and faxes are actually integrated into our e-mail in-boxes).
Ah yes because people keeping written records of their conversations is a sign of a healthy corporate culture. I’ve been in places where people religiously kept track of their email, it’s never a good sign – it’s kept to either attack others or as a defensive measure to pass the buck.
When people come in Monday morning, they’ll see that I’ve been quite busy� they’ll have a lot of e-mail.
Nothing says cluless employee (or boss) quite like “I’ll send lots of mails so people see I’m busy”
I don’t have that right now, but probably I’ll get a digital whiteboard in the next year.
Yeah think of what you’ll save on magic markers !
Wow. Just wow.
Did Bill Gates kill your family?
I understand people don’t likie you guy, but you picked apart every thing he side and opposed it, even if it was completely ridiculous.
Wow.
Did Bill Gates kill your family?
Wow. I dare to question what Mr. Gates says and some people think he’s done something awful to me!
What does that tell you?
but you picked apart every thing he side and opposed it
That’s the reason for posting comments on a forum like this ;-). You can then feel free to pick apart my comments rather than coming up with some silly reply which means nothing.
Wow.
Exactly what I thought when I saw your comment and the fact that you’d been modded up for it.
Why should I take you seriously when you post drivel like this?
“Desktop search? Would that be Google’s then? Or has WinFS made big strides I’m not aware of?”
“Ah, you mean online bulletin boards, blogging, using Plone, Drupal, Mediawiki? Stuff like that. All nicely bundled in a neat paragraph that makes it sound totally plausible that Microsoft is the only company, making the only software, which can possibly do this in the world. Incredible.”
Because he thinks that he was making points, rather than appearing to have forgotten to refill his SSRI prescription.
“Bill Gates used Paul Allen’s moonlighting at MITS to justify awarding himself 64% of Microsoft’s stock vs. Allen’s 36% (and Gates’ failure to adjust the shares after he accepted a $10/hour part-time MITS job).” ( http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20060330.html )
Just your average hard working geek right, a humanitarian even ? Or just like any other guy that got rich screwing his friends (Jobs comes to mind). I wish everybody stopped fawning over scum like this.
Amen
Even if Bill Gates is a dick, his charitable contributions are still meaningful. Sort of like Andrew Carnegie. We should also stress that particular dialog is clearly rumor.
Outside of business circles and certain types of would-be mates, who really fawns over such people? Bill Gates is probably one of the most-flamed people on the Internet, most-often by people that don’t know anything about him.
> Even if Bill Gates is a dick, his charitable
> contributions are still meaningful.
Yes, in a Public Relations sort of way. Look deeper into some of his contributions and you will find stock option exchanges.
>Bill Gates is probably one of the most-flamed people on
>the Internet, most-often by people that don’t know
>anything about him.
And many of us who know him well (albeit not in person) tend to *really* flame him.
Yeah, when has the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation ever parted with money that has ever done any good?!?!
Is it just me, or did that whole thing read like one big infomercial for Microsoft products?
Is it just me, or did that whole thing read like one big infomercial for Microsoft products?
Would not be the first time with Bill Gates.
If you can say one thing about Microsoft, it is that they know how to sell bad software well.
Well, he’s talking about how he works, and wouldn’t it seam logical to you that he would demonstrate how MS products help him? Afterall, if there was a tool he was using, that MS didn’t make, they would quickly go and start making it.
B-b-b-b-b-ut Clinto–er… let me try that again.
B-b-b-b-b-ut monopoly!
It is you. Funny to see that _you_ accuse BG of pushing his products, all the while _your own_ nick here is an infomercial for Apple…
Interesting up to a point, but the whole thing comes over as a thinly disguised advert for Microsoft products, particluarly Sharepoint and the Tablet PC (and the alleged virtues of working seven days a week). To that extent, the article presents a fantasy. For most folks, work does not mean going along to an office to deal with a few emails and generally indulge the “digital lifestyle”. It never has done and probably it never will.
Just my 2 cents, but I’ve found the best (and sometimes the worst) technology is what lies between people’s ears, and to work at its best it needs to be well rested, fed and exercised, and talked to face to face. Put that in a Tablet PC and smoke it.
Vista is still not here
Edited 2006-04-04 22:00
Bill Gates is single-handedly making Vista.
At least now I realize why Bill Gates is so successful and I’m merely a lowly pleb: he makes use of all sorts of gadgets and Microsoft products, and I rely extensively on ancient technologies such as paper and TeX.
and I rely extensively on ancient technologies such as paper and TeX.
TeX is not an ancient technology. Most DTP programs still use part of TeX for typesetting. LaTeX is still the best way to produce fomulae heavy, structured documents.
Although I do recommend you to email your typeset PDFs instead of printing them in an effort to save more trees and energy.
TeX is pretty ancient by desktop software standards. Perhaps my sarcasm was a bit too subtle, however.
Using a computer in order to save energy over printing on paper is a pretty funny proposition. Now sending e-mail as PDF over shipping large volumes of printed text, that would make some sense. Otherwise the amount of energy wasted on the misuse of computers is probably staggering.
This is someting I always wanted to know! How bill gatest using his time and PC to do his work! great!
You’re being sarcastic, right?
listen to http://youtube.com/watch?v=3vQKAtHdfuc
Bwahaha… “I can drag items from one screen to the next”… that’s crazy shit, Bill! Wow! (wanker)
I mean, seriously… no one should get away with such statements… It’s so… retarded!? I just feel obligated to point that out.
“(a souped-up videoca lets three serve as a single desktop)”
“Yeah, when has the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation ever parted with money that has ever done any good?!?!”
As much as I despise Bill Gates personally and professionally, I have to give the foundation itself credit.
It’s funded valuable work on tuberculosis, malaria, nutrition, and HIV. It’s donated to earthquake and famine relief as well.
The biggest plus is that Bill doesn’t personally decide where the money goes.
(I wonder if he even knows about it.) I’d guess Melinda is more involved with it than he is.
Considering it’s close to $30bn he’s parted/is parting with, I think he knows
next thing you know he’ll have invented and advocate stable software
Oh boy hope my boss does not see this “interview”, otherwise all staff will be thrown at building such an infrastructure so he can apply is managerial uber-skills just like “inventor of all technology” Bill Gates.
But really I already see many managers drooling about all those flashy things mentioned, bugging administrators why they do not have it yet, reassinging them to get this stuff instead of fixing issues that really kill productivity (read: infected or malfunctioning windows installations).
This is just really cheap advertisement.
1. Where did he claim to invent anything.
2. The article was specifically about how he works, and he described exactly that.
I don’t get what the problem is?
Interesting… what brand of PC does Bill Gates use? Or chipset for that matter?
I’m not entirely sure what brand he uses personally, but most of MS uses Dell’s (that’s what we had when I worked there, and in all of the Channel9 vids, almost all of the desktops you see are Dell’s). For laptops they mainly use Toshiba’s.
To be honest I expected something better from Biil G. Assuming the photo at the end is indeed his office. Come one Bill, where’s the big leather seat, windows made out of diamonds, carpet made out of endangered species’ skin, aquarium with sharks?
I’m sure his home office kicks oh so very much ass.
All offices at MS are the same size, aside from CxO offices…they are precisely 2x the size of other offices. I cannot for the life of me remember where I read that, but folks “on the inside” have verified this for me. They also all get the same standard equipment (chairs, desks, etc).
Yes I realize you were being sarcastic, but it’s an interesting fact nonetheless.
That’s nice to know. It seems I won’t accept that job at Microsoft after all. Pitty.
Here’s another pic of his office: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1861685,00.asp
btw, am I the first one to mention the obvious Ballmer joke?
OK, here it goes; The reason Bill Gates doesn’t have a lot of furniture in his office is because Ballmer always throws something around. The rose you see in the background is actually glued to the table.
I know. I tried my best…
How about this, Bill; Switch to Linux. You no longer need 3 monitors. KDE can have as many desktops as you you want.
How about this, Bill; Switch to Linux. You no longer need 3 monitors. KDE can have as many desktops as you you want.
How about virtual desktops has nothing to do nor can replace multiple monitors. Not to mention that KDE or Linux have nothing to do with Bill Gates?
If your comment was imbued with sarcasm, I failed to see it. If not, you’re talking sh**.
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Brilliant idea! I’ll get rid of my second monitor at work and just do virtual desktops! Man, it will be so easy to have documentation on one scree–oops, desktop— and writing code on another.
Our work location’s exchange server has been up and down for 3 weeks with the new release. The site we communicate with today has had NO exchange server availability.
So, If we are to assume that Gates and Microsoft Actually Use Exchange in the campus, then why isn’t it’s quality STELLAR?
Does Gates actually Laugh with Glee when his software crashes? You know: “Think of all the Money I’m screwing out of people by shipping such crappy product”? Geez, If Exchange were an IBM product it would NEVER Go Down…
( Hold the jokes. )
It seems to me people are just poor losers. What Bill has done by hook or crook is an achievement. People tearing him apart are just jealous. Sure his company sells shitty software but you will find a lot of people complaining the most are those very people who bought his shitty software!
Anyway what kind of got to me was the Think Week. I would be more interested to read about it because what does Bill do at Microsoft anyway? Is he the CTO? Chief Vision Officer? Chief Software Architect? President?
>It seems to me people are just poor losers. What Bill
>has done by hook or crook is an achievement.
Most people don’t get put on the cover of Time for swindling their way into the catbird seat. But Billy has managed it.
>Not that I like BG or anything but exactly what crime
>has he been convicted for?
Monopoly strongarm tactics (it is HIS company), for starters, and what’s more interesting is what he was not charged with, which is perjury when he was caught boldfacedly lying to a judge. At least, I think he wasn’t charged, only fined? Maybe I’m wrong.
Anyway, the guy is only a few steps short of mobster as far as the software business is concerned.
I haven’t actually used a multi-head setup yet, but it seems to me that with a wide set up you’d be picking up and moving your mouse a lot to go from one side to the other. This is just a suggestion, but how about someone rolls out a mouse with buttons to quickly switch from one monitor to the next or previous one. Of course you’d loose your cursor for a second, which is why that feature that draws inward moving circles (like a splash seen going backwards) around it for a second should also be activated immediately afterwards so the user can quickly find the cursor and keep working.
How about it?
I work in an office that uses MS ecosystem (everything, maybe except the routers and switches that uses embedded linux or bsd)
SharePoint isn’t the best thing out there but the integration with any MS Office components should be noted, one thing people hate is to learn how to use new software with new jargons and new UI. At least MS Office shares its UI/Jargon all along the products; this is not easy. You want to tag this as monopoly, go ahead, but it does make my life easier at office compare just to use Plone alone… (you can list all MS product clones but they are not integrated)
Multiple monitors are way much better than virtual desktop. Sure, you need to drag your mouse from one monitor to another, but you can see 3 things without flipping your virtual desktops.
You know.. without Microsoft, people might have hard time to unite several other software in order to run business… not-connected software… 10-15 years ago, nobody thought about having open standard, open this, one that… now they do after MS dominated the field with its own “sacred” standard.
Licensing… hm.. try be an MS partner.. my company just received MS Gold partnership (or something) apparently we get _HUGE_ discounts (and we can get some of their software for free as well, for sure not MS SQL Server that cost 33k though.. but good enough, you can’t bitch too much sometime)
People always use old excuses: “MS = crash, blue screen”, FYI, I have not seen Blue Screen for 3 years unless if your hard disk is corrupted.
MS has lots of viruses worms and etc.. have you take a look at OSX lately ?? You know.. the underground community is able to crack any OS down… if they’re willing to do so…
People developed worms so it can spread, while the majority of users use Windows, so it’s a common sense if you attack Windows, otherwise how on earth your worm can grow..
What MS did in software practice is their choice, it’s the “marketing” choice. If you work in any sofware company, you know that in reality, there are things to be sacrificed just to reach the goal.
I’m not 100% MS fan boy, but until Redhat/IBM/SUN/Novell can create an integrated ecosystem where users can just simply _USE_ it (eventhough there might be bugs and crashes) I’ll give a try and maybe use it for a long time
“MS has lots of viruses worms and etc.. have you take a look at OSX lately ?? You know.. the underground community is able to crack any OS down… if they’re willing to do so…”
Yeah I’ve taken a look at OS X lately. Its a really pretty OS!
Oh, do you mean viruses and worms? Havent seen any… except for that one that was really hyped in the news, you know the one where you have to download something and run it (giving it your administrator password!) and it sends it to everyone on your buddy list? Man! I’m going back to Windows, its way more secure!
FACT: As long as you hide it behind a firewall and dont run any executables you’re more secure than running random files on OS X.
FACT: Theres a bible passage relating to this (and I’m not even religious): Before you comment on the sliver in your friends eye, make sure to remove the 2×4 that is sticking out of yours.
I work in an office that uses MS ecosystem
Good, now I can predict everything you’ll say.
SharePoint isn’t the best thing out there but the integration with any MS Office components should be noted, one thing people hate is to learn how to use new software with new jargons and new UI
Which MS Office is (new software with new jargon and new UI) for every release. Starting with a contradiction, good !
At least MS Office shares its UI/Jargon all along the products
You forgot : as long as you have the same versions. I’ll have a hard time keeping a straight face when you compare ’98, 2000, XP and 2003 versions of MS Office.
Anyway, what you say is true for the same version, because of the simple fact that this is an Office *suite*. The *suite* is important here.
You know what ? KOffice and OpenOffice have exactly the same feature.
this is not easy. You want to tag this as monopoly, go ahead, but it does make my life easier at office compare just to use Plone alone… (you can list all MS product clones but they are not integrated)
Perhaps it is not easy, but even FOSS does it. And nobody ever tagged this as monopoly, this is just tagged a *suite*.
The MS ecosystem explains your view though.
Multiple monitors are way much better than virtual desktop. Sure, you need to drag your mouse from one monitor to another, but you can see 3 things without flipping your virtual desktops
What nonsense. You are amazing, like every MS brainwashed people I’ve encountered : you don’t think by yourself, you drink what MS execs tell you, and find justification for it.
Multiple monitor are not “way much better” for lots of people, for the same reason that flat monitor are popular : most people don’t have a huge desk to put 3 monitors on it, you know. They don’t even have enough sockets to plug all of this, graphic cards to do that, or the knowledge to set it up.
The only things it saves you, is some typing to switch virtual desktop/window. Anyway, very few people need/can afford that, most of the time, they need a doc, and they print it. Most people still have an easier time reading docs on paper though. Just to say no, multiple monitors is not always much better than virtual desktop.
You know.. without Microsoft, people might have hard time to unite several other software in order to run business… not-connected software
I have been employed numerous times to do just that, and it worked perfectly, without the need of MS, which was not available on the platforms.
Do you even have examples of what you’re talking of ? You sound like MS invented all that.
… 10-15 years ago, nobody thought about having open standard, open this, one that… now they do after MS dominated the field with its own “sacred” standard
MS has no standard in the Office field (if you understand what a standard is), as showed by those that want to adhere like OOo.
And stop showing how brainwashed you are. On what do you think the Internet is based ? Yes open standards. Do you really believe that these open standards where invented less than 10-15 years ago ? Too bad for you, I was using the internet in 1991 (even the web I think, or was it 1992), and TCP/IP was there way before I used the internet.
Licensing… hm.. try be an MS partner.. my company just received MS Gold partnership (or something) apparently we get _HUGE_ discounts
Good ! Are you saying all the companies angry at the licensing are wrong ?
People always use old excuses: “MS = crash, blue screen”, FYI, I have not seen Blue Screen for 3 years unless if your hard disk is corrupted
Good, now you sound like a youg arrogant guy. Do you kow the people saying that have no intention of saying excuses, they have nothing to excuse, they are not responsible for the BSOD they experienced. Yes you heard that : they had the experience of many BSOD. I can assert you they are still there in even Windows XP SP2.
MS has lots of viruses worms and etc.. have you take a look at OSX lately ??
You’re even denying that too ? No, this sentence shows you’re acknowledging them. But what are you trying to do ? Mitigate the problem by make us look elsewhere ?
But doing that will just show how bad the problem is on MS software !!! And that’s true even if you compare with OS X.
People developed worms so it can spread, while the majority of users use Windows, so it’s a common sense if you attack Windows, otherwise how on earth your worm can grow..
Why don’t they attack Apache more than IIS then ? It would be common sense for the worms to grow. And yet, IIS get lots more viruses attack than Apache !!!
Your BS argument has been debunked numerous time. You must REALLY be a young MS brainwashed people right off his MCSE (or other certif).
What MS did in software practice is their choice, it’s the “marketing” choice. If you work in any sofware company, you know that in reality, there are things to be sacrificed just to reach the goal
Which goal ? At least, that’s the first time I agree with you. The sad thing, you know, is that “marketing” is not a software practice, it even goes against any good software practice.
I’m not 100% MS fan boy, but until Redhat/IBM/SUN/Novell can create an integrated ecosystem where users can just simply _USE_ it (eventhough there might be bugs and crashes) I’ll give a try and maybe use it for a long time
Stop your BS. It has already been done for years but you did not notice. So you must really be 100 % MS fan boy. I’m sure you are actually.
Wah, brainwashed fanboy brainwashed fanboy brainwashed, wah.
Really, is that all you have? The guy uses MS products at his place of employement (meaning, it’s probaly NOT his choice) and he’s automatically a brainwashed fanboy? Hahaha, isn’t that just precious.
Wah, brainwashed fanboy brainwashed fanboy brainwashed, wah.
Really, is that all you have?
No, this is just how much you understood of it. Amazing to say the least
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The guy uses MS products at his place of employement (meaning, it’s probaly NOT his choice) and he’s automatically a brainwashed fanboy? Hahaha, isn’t that just precious
Not at all. That does not make him brainwashed. Working in a MS only shop just explains how his view will be skewed, compared to someone that has worked on multiple environments.
I’m tired talking to people like you, because I always have to do all the thinking for guys like you, have to explain every single sentence for you trolls.
Because you could not come to one conclusion yourself.
Notice the time I spend explaining simple facts like that to you.
The brainwashed part came after that, when I read what he had to say. It’s very telling, and yes, I’ve met several people like him before.
They boggle my mind really, I feel sorry for them.
You can be a MS fan boy without being brainwashed, I’ve met some too.
These people are just amazed by the trivial things I can do with 2 lines of shell, which they could not do with several GUI programs
).
They are very technical too and know Windows problems. They are not all arrogant like the one I’m working with now.
At least, the brainwashed fan boy are not arrogant, they just try to justify unreasonable things.
Maybe if you didn’t write an enormous boring treatise with the condescending implication that the party you’re responding to is “skewed” or “brainwashed” followed by a smaller but equally condescending post on why another party requires you to think for them, they might bother reading the extent of what you’re saying.
The reason you spend so much of your time thinking for other people, it looks, is that because you have a delusional level of confidence in the sanctity of your own beliefs and the suitability for you to replace the actual beliefs of others with patterns that reinforce them. I say that as a long-time Unix person with little interest in Microsoft or its crappy software.
You’re totally correct. That Oakaze guy has a Narcissus complex.
It’s a good job he composes such cogent and objective arguments, with all due respect for those he oposes, without responding to ad-hominem attacks coupled with poor grammar.
Oh wait…
Keep taking the medication Oakaze. It’s clearly everyone else who is stupid 🙂
“compared to someone that has worked on multiple environments.”
And there you go. You based your argument on a poor assumption. Makes sense now, but is still equally as stupid.
Sure his company sells shitty software but you will find a lot of people complaining the most are those very people who bought his shitty software!
Did I miss something? Is that not the very group of people you would expect complaints from? Who would complain about a product they haven’t tried?
Linux users who haven’t used Windows since Windows 98 :p
Wishful thinking on your part.
I installed XP-Pro SP2 onto an image file this morning while using Mandriva 2006 Linux and QEMU for a project I’m working on. Actually runs faster than normal due to better memory management in Linux.
Yeesh. Where do they dig up these fossilized brains .. at Pretty Abby Normal’s CD shop?
Did I say all linux users haven’t used windows since 98? Nope
There are some out there though, that still think Windows is just as crappy as 98 was. That was directed at them, and it was a post in jest anyway.
FWIW, Microsoft Powertoys includes a Virtual Desktop Manager. Have never used it myself but it’s there…
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys….
its very strange the people behave against MS. why all the wasted energy in attacking Blindly just because you hate them. And by the way I am currently using ubuntu and trying to leave winXP. I use it for games only now. Even so you have to admit that winXP SP2 is fairly stable afcurse its not perfect not even close. And for malware and viruses That’s not a problem for a careful users I have Ad-Aware and I run it regularly and never catches any thing other than cookies. and for viruses I never had any because I have antivirus and firewall. so basically I shut the holes in windows ugly security settings and this is where windows really suck. Unlike OSX and Linux. Even so there are things I hate from MS like there blackmailing OEM. And there habit of breaking the standard and creating there own or cornering them. Like OpenGL. Well its look like they’re retreating from that one. But if you want the truth its to expected of them its a company they want profit that’s the main and only goal for all enterprise world. so unless there is justified law for consumer freedom and enterprise fair competition. (without forcing them to alter there products I can only see its against the law).
I did start merging to linux because I like it. but that doesn’t mean to start holy war against MS. And sorry for the weak English.
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why is it in my post?
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If the software were cheaper, perhaps I could actually afford three monitors.
Is it really possible that he hasn’t changed the default desktop background *yet*?
Not to be a wise-ass but does he program at all? What’s his favorite language? Not C# please. People like Mark Shuttleworth at least seem to be more involved with the kernal regardless of being the main programmer.
Nice office though. Can’t wait to get those flexible LED screens too this summer.