The 10.4.11 Update is recommended for all users running Mac OS X Tiger and includes general operating system fixes that enhance the stability, compatibility and security of your Mac. This update also includes Safari 3, the latest version of Apple’s web browser. Intel and PPC versions.
Apple Releases Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.11
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A link to more specific changes would be appreciated. Since when did OSNews start linking to versiontracker for OS X updates?
Eugenia like most of us probably goes there for most updates and forgot to link to the actual site…
…and a .11 release. I wonder where Leopard will finish up?
Since I do the news item. Thom uses other sources, but Thom sleeps right now. We aren’t all one and the same.
Edited 2007-11-15 01:19
You allow your editors to sleep? He should be on call 24/7!
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306297
I wish the updates for Panther included Safari 3.
>>I wish the updates for Panther included Safari 3.
Doubt that will ever happen, but doesn’t OMNIweb use webkit? But looks like the latest build requires 10.4.8 so you’re still out of luck… There were a lot of changes from 10.3 to 10.4 if I recall correctly so it would probably take about the same work to get 10.3 surfing Safari3 as it did Windows… I don’t think Apple is going to put in the effort on that when you can upgrade.
EDIT: version numbers…
Edited 2007-11-15 02:24
Not willing to upgrade?
I’ve got a G5 powermac running panther and I’ve been very leery of upgrading to newer versions of OSX. It’s not because I haven’t been intrigued by the new features or that I’m put off by the sticker price; it’s purely because I currently have a fully functional OS. The thought of an upgrade gone bad is enough to keep me up at night.
I’m a network admin from the ‘if it ain’t broke’ school of thinking. I really would like to upgrade but I’d need to buy multiple large hard drives first in order to back up my existing data. Then just to be safe, create a disk image of my current set up. Then I might consider taking the plunge. Paranoid to be sure, but I’ve been burned by less.
By the way, because I haven’t seen it addressed anywhere, is upgrading from panther to leopard supported? I imagine it is, but all the upgrade stories I’ve read involve tiger to leopard, nothing from older versions. Leopard is really tempting, but I wouldn’t want to trouble shoot that mess if something went wrong (don’t know OSX at that low a level).
Any tips?
“I’m a network admin from the ‘if it ain’t broke’ school of thinking. I really would like to upgrade …
… is upgrading from panther to leopard supported?”
MechaShiva
First, don’t “upgrade”, every Admin should know this, whether you’re are doing this for a user or for your server, import it back, if need be.
The remnants of an upgrade will bite you sooner or later.
– Look at Windows and the whole upgrade mentality (sorry guys, it’s true). It breaks things.
Clean installs save time, doesn’t seem so at the time, but it will.
You’ll feel better.
Oh, and that G5, you’ll be blown away – just with a clean install (of whatever you choose) – the speed improvements alone will convince you you’ll have done the prudent thing.
G5:
http://www.apple.com/support/powermac/
10.5:
http://www.macosxhints.com/index.php?topic=system105
General Troubleshooting:
http://forums.osxfaq.com/viewtopic.php?t=7269
hylas
Thanks for the links. I should have stated I meant the archive and install method specifically and how it would import applications, their profiles and what not. In place upgrades are not reliable enough to consider viable.
I’ve been eager for the performance enhancements made to newer versions of the OS. Spawning a thread on panther can be downright painful. Apps are responsive once you get ’em going, but the load times are pretty painful for me right now.
The only system I feel even remotely comfortable doing a direct version ‘upgrade’ with is debian. Otherwise, you’re absolutely right: a fresh install is the only way to go. It is precisely windows upgrades that have scared me straight.
Thanks again.
No one who knows better upgrades. They just buy the upgrade because it’s cheaper then use the workarounds to get it to install.
There’s a fear of upgrading mentality, and a “I’ll just deal with the pain of reinstalling” mentality.
Would Leopard run well on a mac mini G4 1.4Ghz with 1GB RAM machine?
I dont see why it shouldn’t …
I’m running a hacked osx leopard server on a 450mhz cube with stock 16mb ati card / 300GB hdisk and 1.5GB of SDR
Leopard should install on anything 868mhz and above (800mhz for server) and I’ve found leopard server to be faster than tiger server as a whole on my arcane setup.
Only problem I have is the hitech driver for leopard hasnt been released yet… this driver allows very old macs such as the cube and MDD etc G4s to see above the 128GB partition but your mac mini shouldn’t be effected. If the transparency is too much for you (or in my case too slow) you can simply turn it off… but in general I’ve heard fantastic results with 800mhz+ and above.
The Ars Technica review was done on three different Macs, the oldest one was a 1Ghz powerbook. Unfortunately the author didn’t go into performance details on that machine other than saying that “The good news, I suppose, is that Leopard certainly isn’t hamstrung on PowerPC Macs.”
I dunno what exactly that was supposed to mean, but I certainly hope that if Leopard was frustratingly slow on the powerbook that it would have been in the review.
Thanks Nossie, that’s making me feel a bit better about my own upgrade decision. (slowest G4 Mini with Tiger) It’s not making me feel good about my extra-slow posting speed though. B^)
Edited 2007-11-15 13:28
I installed Leopard on my G4 Powerbook ( 512 Ram 1ghz). It works fine. So you shouldn’t have a problem. Given your spec is slightly higher, you should be fine. Well worth the upgrade IMHO.
If you don’t use customisations/hacks with Mac OS X, you can do an upgrade and it will be fine.
Those who need to do an Archive and Install are those who have loaded things like ShapeShifter, which try to jam themselves into the operating system.
I wonder why every tiny beta build of Mac OS X makes it on osnews.com (yes I know, this is a minor point release, but all the betas where announced here as well), but not the up-to-date and innovative Linux flavours that are not yet that known? A few days ago T2 7.0-rc2 was released for as many as 5(!) pre-built architectures: ppc, ppc64, sparc64 and i386 + amd64 and submitted by our team to osnews.com. Of course as non-Mac OS it didn’t made it to the readers:
http://www.t2-project.org/
http://digg.com/linux_unix/T2_SDE_7_0_rc2_Autumn_Leaves_released
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.t2.devel/3220
Right, I’ll file this under “OSNews is biased towards $A, and they hate $B”. Replace $A with whatever you hate to see, and $B with whatever you’d like to see more.
Just take a look at the OSNews front page. This is the *sole* Mac article. Theres articles about C++ porting, Fedora, Gnome, IE, Haiku, etc. It’s a broad range of articles. If you look at the past 7 days announcements, you’ll see that there aren’t many Mac related news bits too. In fact, Linux features a lot more prominently. 4 for OS X (5 if you count Darwin), and 10 for Linux.
Seriously, cut the guys at OSNews some slack for not posting news to your project?
Apple has released a whole lot more Leopard beta builds than we reported on. Of course, you could test that out yourself, but hey, why let the facts get in the way?
We have a very simple policy on OSNews: we only report on the largest distributions, and every now and then, on the special ones. We have reported on T2 in the past, and we will in the future. It’s just that right now, I chose not to – waar gehakt wordt, vallen spaanders. We are not LinuxNews, get over it already. DistroWatch is better at that anyway.
Oh, and behaviour like this really doesn’t help the T2 project in any way with getting its name on OSNews.
Not many more, as I know as ADC member.
Yeah, how nice. Supporting the monopolies and making life for newcomers even harder. I had the feeling the major news sites would write enough about the mainstream already.
Sidenote: Unlike Leopard, aka. Mac OS X 10.5, T2 7.0-rc2 still installs on the Apple G4 Cube, tested on the one on my home desk.
Edited 2007-11-15 13:11
Man, if you’re so mad about the lack of T2 stories on OSNews, write one yourself, that’s the best way to get your message out there. Trying to take over a thread that has nothing to do with T2 is just annoying.
This update also breaks Front Row on Macs without infra-red ports.
But if your Mac doesn’t have an infra red port, you’ll be able to use Front Row just fine by upgrading to Leopard.
Hmm, a convenient “feature” in 10.4.11.
If you have Front Row on your Tiger non-infra-red machine you hacked it in with the enabler or through pacifist, it’s not installed by default. Can’t blame Apple for breaking something that’s not supposed to be there.
Edit: BTW Front Row looks much nicer in Leopard
Edited 2007-11-15 17:04 UTC
“Seriously, cut the guys at OSNews some slack for not posting news to your project?”
I like razing the guys at OS News but I don’t see this forum as launch pad for personal attacks.
“Would Leopard run well on a mac mini G4 1.4Ghz with 1GB RAM machine?”
The closest comparison I have is an Intel-based Mac Mini with less than 1 GB RAM. This is soon to change since I have a terrible habit of running a lot of programs in my work. I installed Leopard late yesterday afternoon and it actually runs faster than Tiger.
The only problem I had was CheckPoint’s VPN-1 client. This is sad since there are a serious number of Mac users using the software to get into their corporate firewalls.
Where’s my coffee?
Edited 2007-11-15 12:57
“The only problem I had was CheckPoint’s VPN-1 client.”
Try:
Shimo
http://www.nexumoja.org/projects/Shimo/
“Where’s my coffee?”
Behind you on that stack of books,
hylas
{edited}
Forget comment.
Edited 2007-11-15 14:36
You know, after seeing how whiney and immature rener is acting, I’d have zero confidence in the T2 team to be able to put out a solid distro. I have no problems trying out other distros, but because of your posts, I wouldn’t ever touch “T2”, and hope others follow the same suite.
I have installed the update. Safari doesn’t display anything. It seems to do everything, except displaying pages. I have the URLs in the title bar, and in the URL bar a “go to this page”. When I copy directly the URL in the adress bar, it just stay there, with the progress bar about one half inch, and nothing.
I have repaired permissions, trashed preferences, purged caches, everything, uninstall plugins, updated plugins, to no avail.
I haven’t yet had any other problem.
….and does not boot like it happened for me, this link got me back on track:
http://net3x.blogspot.com/2007/03/macos-x-1049-update-killed-my-mac…
What happened with me:
– Incremental (not Combi) update with Software update failed in the end
– Rebooted and saw the spinning wheel of eternity
– Booting in Verbose mode showed “Load of /sbin/launchd, errno 88”
– Booted from Installation CD and ran Disk Repair and saw that permission issues were all fixed
– Downloaded the combi update and followed the instructions on link above – just had to change the version number.
Well now I am back on with 10.4.11 and everything seems fine.
First I know that this is under the specs but does that stop everyone? No.
So … Has anyone installed Leopard on an 800mhz G4 iMac (1GB of RAM) or 800mhz G4 PowerBook 1GB RAM? I’m not interested in the power hungry apps but would like to be able to use TimeMachine for backups.
Note: I already have a backup system. The backup part is easy. The restore part is a pain in the ### which is why I want TimeMachine … OK?
Back to the original question. Has anyone installed it on an 800mhz G4 iMac or Powerbook. Both of one GB of RAM.
you might have problems with idvd…
you could also check out what has been said about running leopard on modified G4 cubes… with the added extra cpu’s ranging from dual 500s to single/dual 1.4s etc you should probably be able to figure out how well it would run for you.
http://www.cubeowner.com/forums/index.php?showforum=58
In general though from what I’ve heard Leopard runs faster than tiger on any G4/G5/intel once you have it installed.. You may have to turn off some transparency for better results.
I have leopard installed on my 450mhz cube and it runs no slower than tiger, I can get time machine to run but would prefer to use another drive to do so and don’t have that — privilege
That’s ok. I’ve got a new Mac that I will be creating/editing any movies or DVDs on.
Thanks for the link to the site talking about running it on Cubes.
I am currently running Leopard on my 1.42GHz Mac mini with 1GB RAM as a media computer hooked up to a 28″ CRT widescreen TV and it performs really well. Admittedly all it runs is iTunes and VLC, plus occasionally Safari 3.
Should work fine!
pac