Let me cut right to the chase. This is a very bad game. There are a lot of ways to mess up a game, and Lost Odyssey plays like a checklist of bad game design decisions. Despite all the crap you have to wade through, this is still a game you should experience. Wait, what? I’ll explain later on, but first, let’s get all the bad out of the way.
Combat
Let’s start with the combat system, which is so flawed and aggrevating it made me long for the days I hadn’t yet bought my XBox 360 and I wasn’t playing any games. You see, the combat is turn-based. While turn-based combat in and of itself is already a total antidote to immersion, the problem is made worse by a number of totally retarded design decisions that only make it worse.
This game is built around random encounters. This means that the world you move around in is completely void of any enemies, and as you move about, you randomly move into combat mode – there’s no warning, no evasive manoeuvers, no nothing. You go into combat, whether you like it or not. There’s no choice involved. These random encounters never stop – you can run around in the same small cave for three days on end, and you’ll continue to be bombarded by the same group of enemies.
To make matters worse, once you’re in actual combat, the turn-based system is totally messed up. You see, in Lost Odyssey, there are certain actions which are only invoked by chance, such as evade. The problem is that your enemies will evade much more often than you do, which gets really frustrating. It gets worse though – enemies are very, very good at evading magic attacks. In fact, there are enemies that will always evade every magic attack, but you won’t actually know that until you’ve spent several turns and mana points on casting these spells. Obviously, your own party never evades magic attacks.
Because of luck always being on the side of your opponents, your preciously devised strategy goes down the drain within a few turns. Which kind of defeats the purpose of having a turn-based system in the first place.
The end result is that combat becomes something you want to avoid, because it’s so cumbersome. No matter what level you are, a random encounter will last anywhere between 10 and a gazilion minutes, and even though you’ll win in the end, you will always have lost most of your health – whether you employ decent strategy or not.
You can always select the “flee” option, but this is also ruled by chance. In other words, before you can actually flee, your enemies will have cut you to pieces.
Platforming & Pixels
Then there’s this brilliant idea that the designers had to implement some platforming elements into the game. The problem with this is that the game is based on a fixed camera. You cannot control the camera, and in every section of the playing map, it’s fixed in one single position. And the platforming elements always occur somewhere at the edge of your screen, or just behind a tree or a rock, so you can’t actually see the things you have to evade. Like the combat system, it’s an exercise in total frustration.
But wait, there’s even more crap! Exploring the playable map is a total disaster, because in order to activate an item, or pick something up, you have to place your character at exactly the right frakking pixel in order to activate or pick up said item. Let me explain why this sucks, with a few in-game examples.
At one point in the game, you have to place several discs you collected into four holes in the ground, in a certain order. To active the holes and place the disk, you have to stand at exactly the right pixels for each single hole, and it took me god knows how long before I finally had them all in place. Of couse, during all this I was greeted by several random encounters. And the holes were located on ONE SQUARE METRE. You’d think that your party members would actually NOTICE 25 bad guys on ONE SQUARE METRE.
In another case, I had to enter the cockpit of a train, and the door was locked by a numerical password. The various numbers that made up the numerical password were written on notes scattered around the train segment (a sysadmin would call that bad password policies) right before the cockpit. That segment was slowly freezing over, threatening to kill me.
I died because it took me too long to find the proper pixel to stand on so I could pick up one of the notes.
Horribly flawed, yet strangely compelling.
Rather interesting that only one single game on the xbox360 is in the top 100 best selling games 2008 in japan (worlds biggest console video game market). And that particular game happens to be just one of those rpg´s. “Tales of Vesperia”
reference: http://kotaku.com/5135987/only-one-xbox-360-game-made-top-100-selle…
I haven’t played lost Odyssey, but to me it looked like an old style jrpg prettified.
I mean random encounters are total crap. They are acceptable in a portable game for ds or psp that cannot handle the load, but on a powerful console it is simply dated. Square has pretty much abandoned it, and for the better. Also combat seemed to “menuified”, comparing to say ff12. On all jrpgs there is a certain level of grind expected but Gambits allowed me to lazily cruise while grinding and made the whole process a lot more enjoyable. Plus battle intro animations suck – they waste too much time.
Whilst some don’t like the fact that ff12 was evolving, I did. I also hope that ff13 is a further evolution. This seems a bit retro and stuck to the old ways, which frankly, I’ve grown out of.
I don’t even know why I writing this, I will never play this game as I don’t own an xbox360
“turn-based combat in and of itself is already a total antidote to immersion”
You never played Wizardry 7 back then, did you?
…or the X-COM series.
Well, the X-COM series had a strategy aspect, and thus the turn-based gameplay was compelling. In other hand, all turn based JRPG can be won without using a single brain cell, which make is an amazingly boring choice.
I don’t know about any body else, but I don’t care to see game reviews on a site about operating systems, and software. Lets leave the gaming stuff to the gaming websites.
I wouldn’t mind too much if kept to Page 2 – good entertaining fluff filler.
As much as I like JRPGs, atleast the ones that aren’t cliche-ridden with emo characters, world-saving stuff, and all that boring routine, I agree generally with you Thom.
I played Lost Odyssey on a friend’s 360, and I really didn’t like it. More like, hated it. One of the main reasons was the random-encounters.
IMO, the best 2 JRPGs so far on the 360 are Tales of Vesperia and Eternal Sonata. Atleast no random encounters
, but they don’t really come close to something like Fallout 3 
Damn it, what’s wrong with my English today?
Don’t forget the endless, banal “insights” into human nature, life, the universe, and everything.
I really loved Grandia 2 on dreamcast. No random encouters. I LOVED the combat system which had this sliding initiative bar with each character having their own time to select an action and time to perform an action. If you timed it just right you could hit an enemy while he’s trying to perform and knock him back down the scale. Yeah, it was turn based but I like to be able to play rpg’s without being hurried.
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me-“yeah man you can come around. i’m just sitting around playing lost odyssey.”
campo-“cool, we’ll be around in a bit”
me-“woah i’m just fighting this giant thing in an ice cave! holy crap this game is really starting to pick up! you gotta see it.”
*40mins later*
campo-“hey man what are you up to?”
me-“well, i’m currently a 10yr old girl collecting flowers for my mothers funeral…… it was awesome just before i swear!”
jrpgs have this awesome idea that they have to fill games with collection quests and cute crap. also the fact that the only time you hear people speaking is in cutscenes really sucks.
I actually didn’t mind the random encounters all that much and at times preferred the linear gameplay (compared to say oblivion where its so easy to just get lost or overwhelmed in all the choice you have) but the amount of overly long cutscenes got on my nerves (and literally every 15mins there was a cut scene) and how messed up boss battles were. If I didn’t have gamefaqs open on the laptop I would have played quite a few of them endlessly.
Having said that…the “dreams” really were an unexpected treat. The first one the g/f and I skipped over (we play RPGs together swapping the controller) and after that we watched/read every one. Some were extremely touching and the most endearing part of the game. Never made it past the 2nd disk though
Interesting to read a review of a JRPG by somebody who doesn’t like them. I must say that I haven’t played the game itself, but I watched a friend play a lot of it.
It seems that your likes and dislikes are in complete opposition to mine – I enjoy turn-based gameplay because it gives me time to construct elaborate strategies. And the thing I dislike most about JRPGs is the long sections of story. Me and my friend took particular dislike to the dream sequences in that game.
Your points are certainly valid, but I think the game was designed to be in that classic JRPG style and so they probably made some decisions to stick to the old way of doing things for the benefit of fans rather than making drastic changes to appeal to non-fans, like some of the changes in FFXII.
Also, I agree with airwedge1, I really don’t know what this review is doing here. It was interesting, but seems inappropriate in this context.
I’ve never really understood people that review genres of games they don’t like in the first place. Though even more so I don’t know why I’m seeing one here?
OSNews readers play games. OSNews wants to service its readers. I like playing games. Do the math.
If you don’t like an item, don’t comment.
Fair enough but pick a more interesting game next time eh? And try to say something that hasn’t been said in a million other places on the Internet. Game reviewing is a very crowded field.
I agree with Thom here. Though relatively new to OSNews, it’s not a secret to me that a good chunk of those who work with operating systems, computers, and technology in general will also be attracted to video games, hence the review in order to appeal to these people– notice it’s just one review… not a sudden barrage of not-so-related content. It does seem to be more of a Page 2 item to me, however, but who am I to question?
“I like playing games”
after this review and “The crippled world of modern gaming” I’d like to see a review of a game that you actually like
We hereby promise to put the words “Game Review” or somesuch into the title of any game review on this site so the on-topic police can avoid reading them.
Yes, that’s exactly why I didn’t use the tagging system, but just put “Game Review” in the title. I don’t believe tags make it to the RSS feed.
“On-topic police”. Now that’s a keeper.
Thom, you’re no Zero Punctuation. Leave it up to the pros, dude.
Of course I’m not. Who ever said I was? Just because I’m not as entertaining as Yahtzee, I’m somehow not entitled to write game reviews?
Yahtzee is entertainment, and he’s pretty damn good at it. However, I want my game reviews to actually be useful.
There’s no such thing as a usefull game review, since it’s only the opinion of one guy. Unless you have exactly the same experiences and tastes of the reviewer.
Well written reviews are always useful no matter if your tastes lines up with the reviewer or not. A good reviewer not only says whether he likes something or not, but also why. I have no problem reading a well written review where the reviewer is claiming that a game is the best he’s played all year and at the same time conclude that I’ll probably not like the game.
A well written review should give you enough basis to make your own informed decision about a product, no matter what the reviewer thought of the product.
The only well-written reviews I’ve seen are the ones on insomna.ac. Most New Game Journalists hate Alex Kierkegaard because he’s got a pompous attitude and has a rather harsh and direct use of language, but IMO he’s one of the only good reviewers around.
The rest is all crap. New Game Journalists’ reviews suck, and this review is not an exception. Alex at least understands what games are and how is one supposed to review them. This reads more like an opinion on JRPGs than a game review (and Alex would tell you straight away how reviewing across genres makes no sense at all).
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The best game reviews that I’ve read/watched are from GameTrailers.com. Their video reviews are second to none.
Not wishing to start a poinless argument, I’ll not go on about it, except to say: Yahtzee is pretty much on the money when he reviews a game.
This is pretty standard stuff for this genre of game. Complaining about these elements is like complaining about all the shooting and dodging in a FPS.
More valid criticisms followed, but that first page is pretty well a write-off as far as a game review goes.
Or, if you have no friends, buy the game, learn to count to ten, get an umbrella for the pile of shit coming your way, and, well, sweet dreams, buddy.
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To paraphrase “This game sucks, please buy it from us!” Maybe you should review things you like Thom. Then maybe we can support OSNews.
I love Lost Odyssey, I think it is one of the best JRPGs, if not the best, of the current generation. Then again I am a JRPG addict and can’t tolerate playing anything else.
I do enjoyed Lost Odyssey, especialy for the good background stories (the dreams) but the boring combat system kind of ruined it – I have to say that Eternal Sonata was better overall, despite its relative shortness.
PS. For me, Final Fantasy VII is THE BEST the jrpg genre has to offer to this date. And yes, these games in general – either you love them or you hate them
To recommend you Mass Effect…
Way better RPG than most of the Japanese RPGs!
Already played, finished, and thoroughly enjoyed Mass Effect. On my blog, I named it my best game of 2008.
http://cogscanthink.blogsome.com/2008/12/29/mass-effect/
Thanks for recommending it though
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The same feeling Thom has with Lost Odyssey, I have with Omikron. If I would have to give that game a score, It would be 4/10. It is one of my most favorite games ever though, just because of the great ‘feel’.
Honestly, it sounds like the reviewer just doesn’t like JRPG’s. Things like “random encounters”, “turn based combat”, “enemies that dodge certain magical attacks”, all things that he refers to as negatives are typical of the JRPG genre. It’s like me doing a review of a FPS like CoD4 and complaining that it’s too fast paced and intense.
If you don’t like JRPG’s, your review of a JRPG is most likely going to be negative, and hence, useless to your readers.
How can you say ALL JPRG’s are bad just because this one is? It’s an entire genre, and this certain game is linear. Pick up a copy of Dragon Warrior 7 and write a review for that. I mean, that game is just ridiculously epic.
What I’m saying is: give the genre a chance.
I love this game. It is my favorite game on the 360 (followed by Mass Effect, then Fallout 3). The writer of this article didn’t really review this game, he actually critiqued it. Everyone doesn’t like the same style of games (I myself despise First Person Shooters). When a JRPG fan goes to play a JRPG, it’s for the story. It’s not for fast action gameplay.
I find a problem with this article, cause it’s the writer’s first JRPG (or so he claims), and it shows. I didn’t have the “pixel” problem that he had. The platforming is rather easy as well. The random encounters are just a throw back to the old JRPG style. The man behind the game is the creator of the first 10 Final Fantasy’s, and he said he wanted to make the best traditional JRPG. Hence, the random encounters and a lot of other traditional JRPG mechanics.
The game is beautiful, and the story is compelling. It’s not just “Hey let’s go save the world,” there is a lot of drama in this game. There is more emphasis on emotions than any other game I ever played. Granted, the 2 kids in the story annoy the hell out of me, but, sometimes they served their purpose well.
And, anyone that wants to complain about fetch quests, and claim that Fallout 3 is great…well…you are simply retarded. Fallout 3 is nothing more than a ton of fetch quests (or…go to point a and and examine it).
I’d recommend this game to anyone for the story alone. Sure, it doesn’t have the open ended freedom of Fallout 3, but, Fallout 3’s story can’t compare to the depth of Lost Odyssey’s.