The next interim release on the path to GNOME-2.2 is now available, according to release guy Jeff Waugh. GNOME-2.1.2 includes implementation of several user-requested features and cosmetics, as well as some under-the-hood changes. Read the report at LinuxAndMain.
GNOME Development Series Snapshot 2.1.2: ”Life Preserver”
2002-11-12 Gnome 14 Comments
Cool, finally some multimedia stuff!
You people should go and read the truth behind GNOME. Not everything you hear and see is what makes GNOME become what it is today. There is also a lot of problems behind it. Here I show you a link to /. (yes sorry) where I found a post that contains a lot of valid points.
What you linked is nothing a well written, traditional trolling, nothing more. It now appears on Gnomedesktop.com’s comment section too. It is nothing but the work of well-educated trolls.
Don’t copy anything like that on osnews, or you will get banned. First and last warning.
Uhm, have you actually read the content ? All the Links inside it prooves every single word whats written there. I doubt you are technical or informed enough to jude this a ‘Troll’. Please get some background before writing like this. And why do you impend peoples feedback by deleting them ? Is this your vision of open speech ? I think we live in a free world where people are allowed to point their own opinions but if only your OWN opinions count then why don’t you simply shut down osnews.com ?
It’s totally obvious that you have NO SIGNIFICANT clue on what’s going on behind GNOME. Even I totally agree to many of the made points. If you take the time reading the Links and Sublinks posted there and if you take the time checking out the CVS of XFREE then you know that this person is absolutely right.
Don’t deny it its absolutely true.
I did not delete or mod down anything yet, be careful how you talk to me though.
And yes, I read that comment. In fact, he is linking to one of my articles. No matter what the guy says, true or not, the fact remains that he is copying/pasting it everywhere, as trolls do on Slashdot. Therefore, the comment itself has lost its credibility and it is just a trolling piece. If the author would like to be taken seriously, instead of flooding everyone’s commenting sections, he should submit his article for publication to an online magazine. Currently, he is just trolling as far as I am concerned.
>I doubt you are technical or informed enough
Why don’t you just go and shove it? You know *nothing* about me. Or, you think you do.
Please close this discussion about this comment, or any further comments about it WILL BE moderated down.
It really is Trolling(with a capital ‘T’ nonetheless). This guy is basically railing on people for simplifying the gnome interface, which I think it has greatly benefited from. Sure, there is less configurability in the Gnome2 desktop with respect to Gnome1, but I think most people looking at Gnome2 for the first time will be find it much more intuitive than Gnome1. The placement of everything in Gnome2 seems to make much more sense than its predecessor, though of course this is completely subjective.
And of course, as several people pointed out on that thread, it’s GPL. If people aren’t happy with it, they’ll fork it.
Installed this over my 2.1.1 which had some minor issues but this new dev release once again fixes all that and runs perfect.
Gnome is THE desktop environment for me, post 1000 gnome trolling links and I’m still pro-gnome, not because I feel a need to troll KDE (I like KDE), but because I personally are more into the ideas and concepts Gnome and it’s developers have.
I do not honestly see the Slashdot rant as a mere troll. Read it very carefully, full of links, full of good points.
There are serious problems with the Gnome 2+ interface one can directly attribute to Havoc’s misguided attempt to simplify the interface while directing anyone that really wants to change serious options to go into that hella ugly Gconf editor and muck around with the gnome registry.
Simple configuration tools? All for them, however, Havoc and the other Gnome folks need to follow their own damn advice. If a user does not need to change an option then hard code the proper value for proposed option and be damn well pleased for eliminating bloated unneeded options just like Havoc would want.
However, do not be an arrogant ass! If you take the time to include a option configurable through the Gconf settings then damn well take the time to include a user interface for setting that option in the preferences or a control center setting.
I love Gnome and I feel (Just my opinion do not flame please) that KDE is bloated and the Gnome approach is much better in many ways. But I worry.
I worry that the simplification of the interface will lead me and other users to live in the Gconf editor the same way that Windows hacks live in the Windows registry. Yeah I know that they are files and editable and such but its still a contorted confusing pain in the ass.
I worry that Nautilus will go all object oriented though many other Nautilus contributors hated most of the ideas.
I worry that Nautilus development will continue to focus on doing things the “right way” whether the “right way” ever gets completed or not and features people want and need never materializes.
I worry that a proper file selector will never, ever get coded despite the fact that users have sufferred will a poor one since the beginning of gnome and the gtk folks always have something more important to do.
I worry that Mozilla will never get a proper gtk2 version with xft so Galeon2 can be a regular part of the build. Yes, I have gotten galeon2 working and it is a pain.
I worry that the major companies that NEED gnome for a desktop like Ximian, Redhat and Sun have very few fulltime people working on the most neglected projects like Nautilus, gnome-vfs and Galeon.
“”I do not honestly see the Slashdot rant as a mere troll. Read it very carefully, full of links, full of good points.””
I have to agree with Eugenia. It is trollish. Note great phrases like “gnome armageddon” and “evil practices”.
“””I worry that the simplification of the interface will lead me and other users to live in the Gconf editor the same way that Windows hacks live in the Windows registry. “””
Ugh, it’s documented and most of the options are checkboxes, it’s not quite the Windows registry with somewhat obscure codes. It’d be quite easy to write something which is an all in one configuration tool (you could even have modules use scheme or some interpreted language so you could update it on the fly as schema chnage).
“”” I worry that Nautilus development will continue to focus on doing things the “right way” whether the “right way” ever gets completed or not and features people want and need never materializes. “””
If it really ever gets that bad, some disgruntled developers will fork an older version of it. Needn’t worry about that.
new release have that RedHat 8.0 does not
<quote>I have to agree with Eugenia. It is trollish. Note great phrases like “gnome armageddon” and “evil practices”.</quote>
Yes, it is trollish. However, I said it was not a mere troll.
I never said it was not a troll :->
<quote>It’d be quite easy to write something which is an all in one configuration tool</quote>
There is no need for an all in one desktop/application configuration tool. If developers wrote their damn preferences to include all the needed options for their apps then the only time you would have to go into the Gconf Editor or the text files by hand is when you have mucked something up. Plus, the Windows Registry model is more a comment on the brain dead ugly UI design of the tool. The thing is like someone dared a programmer to make a Windows Registry utility that is more annoying to use than the real thing.
<quote>If it really ever gets that bad, some disgruntled developers will fork an older version of it. Needn’t worry about that.</quote>
Sorry to be like this but bull. Archive browsing has been broken forever and no one has written a decent archive view though Nautilus is extensible and could support this. No, gnome-vfs is the right way even though no one has made it work right. Searching through the file manager. Medusa is the right way but no one is working on medusa and there is a security issue and no distro wants medusa but the Nautilus maintainers will not use anything else for searching not even the gnome-search-tool. I have filed bug reports and posted on discussion boards and decisions have been made.
I have used Gnome since 1.2. I used GMC and Enlightenment and Sawfish and Nautilus and god I am tired. KDE is just not the UI for me but I get so tired waiting for Gnome 2.0 to go to a real user release. One that feels even close in terms of the maturity and feature completeness of KDE without the KDE bloat.
I am this close to finding some good NeXtStep themes for my QT and GTK apps and going back to using WindowManager. Anyone know where I can get a working rpm of wmfinder and Postillon?
For those of us who want to know why those up there with *.cyberspace.org and dialin.net ips are considered trolls, please read these links. REALLY informative:
Here I had a nice conversation with the dialin.net guy. Yeah, it was me. Yeah, I reached troll level and even lied. And I’m not sorry for what happened, he showed his true self in the end :
And about the Cyberspace.org guy, he’s Ali, former Gnome developer that evolved into a troll. Lots of info here:
So, in the end: seems like dialin.net man and Ali are friends, or at least related, and they waste time on IRC to call their friends to spam and troll in the gnomedesktop.org forums. Quite a waste if we consider they can be modded down and the message goes hidden unless you purposely downgrade the message threshold.
But it’s their life after all…
This is quite speculative don’t you think? Spreading the name of people you don’t know all over the places is quite stupid. What if it was not him will you ever write an excuse to him?
It would be better for everyone to contact the person first and tell him about the current situation so he can get a fair chance to react on it instead spreading a speculative name all over the places where other people publically read about it. You trash the name of some person for no reason and without proper proves.
I was SO sorry to see Gnome2 had a *&$(&@^#&^ registry when I first installed Mandrake9… Then I found out how many small config tools there were, with so few options to be able to configure. I was hoping that I would be able to start using GNOME a little more with the new version coming out.