Andreas Girardet writes: “Yoper limited (a New Zealand Operating System Company) is proud to announce the first public release (release candidate) of Ydesktop. This is the first part of Your Operating System that Yoper Limited (“Yoper”) is developing.““This Operating System (“OS”) contains the latest software, which includes Linux-2.4.20, KDE-3.1-rc5, Mozilla 1.1 and OpenOffice. The CD is optimized for i686 and higher X86 CPU’s. The final release will contain KDE-3.1 and Mozilla 1.2.1 and other updated packages.
YOS is a compact, personalised and optimised OS with support for rpm, deb and tgz packages. The native YOS package system is the TGZ system. 200 packages have been carefully selected and compiled for speed and stability. YOS has an automatic hardware detection system, which should detect most modern hardware.”
Looks like YALD to me… yet calls itself another ‘OS’.
Am I mistaken?
It is called “confusing strategy”. It is good marketing. 😉
But yes, it is a Linux distro indeed.
Why oh why must there be so much distros ?
To be honest, by calling their product a separate “OS”, but in fact they are just using ALL-GNU stuff, is being a bit arrogant, isnt it ?
I’ve been up for 3 days now, pay no attn pls
Sure, our rugby and cricket teams suck, but atleast I can say that New Zealand has a distro before Australia! (me being a NZ’der) 😉
Anyway, it would have been better with a kiwi as the logo/mascot for the distro. Kerry the Windows kicking kiwi 😉
Personally I don’t want to call it a distro (and it is not just marketing …), since it is compiled from scratch, optimized for i686 and packaged with only as many packages needed to allow users to install lots of other packages from other distros. It is as such a purpose bound OS and not a general purpose distro shipping 10000+ packages. In the end it is a semantical discussion and anyone who wants to try it will soon find out that is is very different than Distro’s.
YOS has not just been up for 3 days. We have developed for the past year and believe that YALD might just make the difference when it comes to providing a clear alternative to the MS we all know of.
Anyone who wants to make a difference is welcome!
I think p13as3 ment he has been up for 3 days, not YOS…
Well I have been up for 3 days too releasing YOS … certainly misread the post !
YEs, i myself have been up for three days. So you can safely ignore me. I just felt the need to troll, as much people do after being up for 3 days.
It does look very MacOS-uglyied.
Looks like a very nice specialised distro. Particularly like the idea of making a bootable live CD version available too.
Question is – (is there) Will there be an option to install live CD to HD?
all the best
PS Let me know when and where I can buy a copy in OZ 🙂
Yoper’s fonts look very good, has anyone noticed?
We currently have 2 iso’s. One is the livecdrom and the other the actual install CD with packaging and all the rest. It has a simple 10 step installer. We will let you know when we will ship CD’s.
Our fonts are freetype (XFT) compiled into QT, mozilla and KDE. We support Anti Aliasing, which makes it look so good and crisp.
Yoper sounds nice for me, because I hate distros, which has more than 10000+ packages, I dont like having 10 text editors, 10 file managers after the instaliation. Its preaty nice to have few packages, that I need (1 text editor, 1 file manager and so on). So I think I’ll try it this weekend .
Oh and one question: why is Yopers’ native package system is based on slackware ? I think deb or rpm is better than slackwares’
btw, can i run it as server ?
This has to do with the way YOS is build (in one single run). We also don’t like the dependency nightmare of the other packaging systems. You can however convert you entire YOS into and RPM system in a steps. We are thinking to add the possiblity of choosing yor packaging system at install time if the demand is there.
I’m tired of just watching those linux desktopish distros getting released in more and more flavours. KDE3 recompiled and repackaged is called an OS. It’s ridiculous. Help OBOS if you really want a desktop OS.
Slackware doesn’t automatically set up hardware.
Does Yoper do this? If yes then it is like getting a more modern slackware system.
No worries, I got my answer.
We have implemented Kudzu the Open Source hardware recognition from Red Hat and also included USB-hotplugging support. YOS sets up most hardware. This works very well also on the bootable CDROM. This makes YOS recognize a lot of hardware.
The only thing YOS has in common with Slackware is the packaging system and we have used slackwares xfree86setup shell script and enhanced it to allow autodetection of monitors. Nothing else from Slackware has been implemented. YOS is compiled and optimised from Scratch and is in its own right a new OS and not just another Desktop. We are dedicate Open Source team and will not follow the foot steps of others on the market.
Ydesktop is our first release. Other flavours will follow within the next few weeks.
“We also don’t like the dependency nightmare of the other packaging systems.”
ye I hate dependency too :/
Its only 15 houers left!!! I get 10.9kbs on this one any faster mirrors??
btw: hope its work in vmware.
I hope this answer is not too technical:
It will work as long as you select ide as the vmware virtual disk system. Xwindows will require some hacking. Just choose No when the Installer asks you if you want to run Xwindows. It will still install and configure it for you, but the system will boot in runlevel 3 and not in runlevel 5 to get Xwindows starting.
Sorry for the speed. We will establish more mirrors world wide to cope with the demand as soon as possible.
Sorry roniuch – nobody needs or wants BeOS – we’re all quite happy with our non-n00b linux distros, windows, and OS X machines to care about an OS that is so outdated that it belongs to Palm. Be died, give it a rest.
It is an OS…using the Linux kernel. Just in case you didn’t notice, debian.org calls Debian an OS too:
An operating system is the set of basic programs and utilities that make your computer run. Debian uses the Linux kernel (the core of an operating system), but most of the basic OS tools come from the GNU project; hence the name GNU/Linux.
Calling Yoper an OS is correct.
Yoper appears to be trying hard to be the desktop Linux we’ve all been wanting. I personally think it looks rather sharp compared to most of the default looks associated with fresh Linux installs.
After hacking away at Mandrake 9 for awhile now, I’ve a few questions about Yoper I’d like to ask before I download an eval copy.
1. I see that it supports a variety of install methods (RPM, debian, etc.). Does this by chance mean that you guys have found a workaround for RPM’s tendency’s to being distribution specific (Redhat RPM’s only tend to install corerctly on Redhat, Mandrake RPM’s only on Mandrake, etc.)? If not, then how does one install using RPM’s for Yoper? Is it just a kind of “shoot and miss” method wherein you try a competitors RPM, and if it installs, great. If not, try another??
2. I love the fact that Yopers optimized for x686 and not for x386 CPU’s. Can we also assume that the latest kernel patches are included with it? (Pre-emptive multi-tasking, etc)?
3. Mandrake and Suse both have their own little “all-in-one” configuration utility’s. Does Yoper have something similar, or will we be using Linux conf. if we want to configure things “under the hood” w/a GUI?
4. How many little “helper” apps can we expect to have to download and install? The reason I ask is that I’ve had to do a lot of hunting just to find the right files for my Mandrake 9 install to be able to simple things such as playing an AVI or DivX file (By the way… Thanks to whomever suggested the PLF site to me for such items!).
The reason is apparently the licensing, or “sensitivity” of such items caused it to be left out of the Mandrake distribution. You’re basically left on your own to find this out also, which didn’t earn any brownies from me either!
Will Yoper support these types of things? How about Windows font integration for that matter? That’s the one area of Mandrake 9 I did like a lot (The fact that it sniffed for, found and installed my Windows-based fonts).
5. What GUI’s come with Yoper, and how well integrated are they?
As an example of this, it appears that KDE’s the default GUI, but is Gnome also included? If so, have you tweaked them to look and work better together such as Redhat did, or are they distinctly seperate beasts?
Is XFCE included, or integrated also?
6. What’s Yopers file support like? Reiser, ext2, ext3, etc??
Also, what’s it’s structure like? It seems like recently all Linux distros are re-arranging the placement of files (/dev files, /boot, /var/, /opt, and so on). Sorcerer has a different structure than Gentoo; Gentoo’s different from Mandrake, etc. How is Yoper different, or have you mimic’d a structure like Redhats or someone elses for better compatability with their aforementioned RPM’s?
7. Finally, how solid are the drivers under this beast? I’m running a dual monitor setup, and have spent more hours than I like to think about trying to get both monitors to behave as nicely as possible under all my recent Linux installs (Mandrake and KDE3 work nicely now, but I still wish I could swap windows from one monitor to the other by dragging them as with Windows). Can I expect to have to configure such a thing by hand? Have you included any X configurators other than the default xf86config, and such?
Overall, this looks like a very nice distro (Oops! I meant OS -I see you’re trying to avoid the distro. comparisons). I’m just looking for a few more details before possibly wasting my time and/or your bandwidth -Especially if your mirrors are getting overloaded already (earlier message in this thread).
>>It is an OS…using the Linux kernel. Just in case you didn’t notice, debian.org calls Debian an OS too<<
I have to agree that it is an OS and not YALD. Although since I am doing the same thing as these guys, I am more inclined to agree with them. =)
Really, though, these guys have preselected a limited amount of packages to create a fully optimized OS, and not just thrown in the kitchen sink with 7 window managers, 3 desktop environment, 15 text editors, 2 pathetic “office suites” plus OOo, etc. It appears to be well thought out, and I certainly wish these guys much success.
Like most Linux UIs, this is yet an other windows UI copycat. spineless…
A lean mean distro precompiled for the i686 with fantastic eye-candy:) I may have to try and install it on my spare hard drive this weekend. As literally half the software I use doesn’t come on any of those 10000+ package distros this might be the way for me to go.
Other than having the start bar on the bottom of the screen, what did KDE 3.1 (Yoper’s UI) do similarly to M$ Windows interface that wasn’t stolen from the Mac? Default single click action on icons make it easier for a complete computer novice to manipulate a mouse, and KDE has much better eye-candy with Keramik window decorations and crystal icons. By the way, that start bar on the bottom of KDE is highly configurable, I keep mine at the top of my screen, stretching a cross only 60% of my desktop, an external taskbar, and transparancy effects on both. I’ve even allocated a space on my start bar(aka, kicker) to stream headlines from my favorite news groups. As far as icons being on the left hand side of the screen, that can be changed as well, but I like it that way because I can use a program on the right hand side while still having access to all of my icons.
If you want to discuss copycat UI’s look at pictures of Microsoft’s next OS (codename Longhorn) you’ll see that they copied OS X’s jelly bean buttons, KDE’s transparent menu’s and multiple desktop’s.
OSS is innovative, and projects like KDE prove it.
“We’ve secretly switched the dilithium crystals in the Enterprise warp core with new Folger’s Crystals… let’s watch what happens.”
Why the hell do all of these OSs that are coming out based on Linux or what-not, all look like cheap Windows XP knockoffs? I thought part of the idea of an alternative to windows, other than MacOS, was to improve the user experience. This OS looks just as confusing and contrived as Winblows. Silly waste.
wonder how hard it would be to compile it for my amd k6-2…
maybe I should just bite the bullet and upgrade..
Yoper could actually turn out to be pretty good… But just one thing: Please,for the love of god,re-design the yoper website.It’s making my eyes hurt.Literally.Infact, I’d even be willing to donate my time and create a new Yoper website,just so I don’t have to look at the current one anymore
Yes, your cricket is terrible, but Rugby is pretty good and on an upward track. Looking forward to the World cup in Oz next year.
I really want to try this – a lean and fast distro – yes!
I dont think people understand how important a good, professional looking website is, it adds credibility. I agree, their website is _terrible_, but whats worse than their website is their logo. For the love of god, someone remake that in an image editor that doesnt suck (may i suggest The Gimp?), jaggies on a circle should be unheard of nowdays with the tools we have. Not to mention the color-lacking penguin.
I wish them well, even though i’ll never run their “OS”, x86-only distros do not tickle my fancy.
A heavily modified RedHat 6.2 and LFS, that is enough for any app. you can find.
I thought that “compact” and words such as “KDE” and “Mozilla” were mutually exclusive.
1.) Shoot and miss is correct at the moment.
2.) Those Kernel Patches are not included
3.) We use webmin, which is not included, but can be installed easily. Since Yoper looks like RedHat to Webmin it works like a charm
4.) Any things that you want to have added into the final release can and will if you let us know. TTF works out of the box
5.) KDE and WindowMaker are our GUI, since we don’t like the bloat of Gnome. Anyone wanting to compile Gnome ……
6.) We base our filestructure on Linux From Scratch. Support for other FS’s than EXT2 is already included in the kernel even if you have to hack it yourself. We will include this in our final release to be done out of the box.
7.) The current setup is designed for Single head only and detects refreshrates of montitors. Dual Head works if you use your existing XF86Config. We have included MGA drivers from matrox and can include other drivers at request.
The coolest part is that the developers are metallica fans… check the screen shots Thats it I’m sold
If anyone wants to be our webdeisgner .. go for it! Write me an email and lets gets cracking ….
Oh no, not another Linux distribution. And, there nothing new on it besides GUI changes, or did I miss something … has anyone tried its stability yet ? Anyway, good luck.
#Oh no, not another Linux distribution. And, there nothing new #on it besides GUI changes, or did I miss something … has #anyone tried its stability yet ? Anyway, good luck.
See the idea behind providing a direct link to another site through the story is that you actually go read a little before spouting off about GUI changes being the only difference. Seriously, for the size of this site (relative to say Slashdot) the comment clue is surprisingly small.
I burned the iso and when I try to install it it recognizes the install cd and starts to load then it gets to where is says ‘bash’ and then just stops, am I supposed to put something in here? I like the screenshots, I would like to try and get it installed, maybe I’ll try another download.
Vatanner, after logging in (root/YOS) try this: xfree86setup
It can’t find my mouse (Logitech USB wireless) on my desktop. On my laptop (Dell Inspiron 8100, nVidia GeForce2go video card) I can’t even get to the bash prompt. It goes into a funky video mode when it tries to detect my video card (all I see is a bunch of vertical lines) and finishes booting without giving me anything readable.
You should try reading the instructions on the http://www.yoper.com/download/index.html page ….. would explain why you have trouble. You should download the ydesktop iso and not the bootable live cd, which you are using
try to post on the forum too. I have seen that the guys are really qucik in helping … YOS worked for me and is faster than anything I have tried.
I downloaded the live CD yesterday and tried it out. Despite the slowness that was caused by using a 16meg ram disk(instaed of 32, like Virtual Linux, the only other liveCD I’ve used) for the root partition, I was pleased with what I saw.
Today, however, when I tried to download the install CD, it appears as though the site is down. I can not access the site, at all.
After you insert the install disc and get to the bash shell prompt you need to type “yoper” and press enter.