dave_sn alerted us to the news first reported by Distrowatch, “Just in time to interfere with our last-minute Christmas shopping – an unexpected new beta release from Red Hat, code-named “Phoebe” and numbered as 8.0.92 has hit the mirrors.” Release notes can be found here.
Red Hat Linux Offers 8.1 Beta “Phoebe”
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Scanning the list of packages, the most signifant update seems to be the upgrade to GNOME 2.2, with many new cool packages like gstreamer, rhythmbox, fontilus etc. included. The XFree version will be 4.3, which should include the new RandR extension (Gtk2.2 just added support for it). If RH does a good job of integrating all the new media tools it looks like RH 8.1 will be a great desktop release.
and to think i just spent 1 week finetuning everything on this install of redhat 8.0. i really do hope 8.1 fits perfectly. i’ll most probably upgrade anyway (more like clean-install). i love the fact that i can live without windows already! only wish i could find a job teaching basic linux somewhere. then i won’t be looking at windows at home or at work!
I saw a comment once that 4.3 would support the i830 video in my laptop. Right now, thats all thats keeping it off laptop and only onthe desktop. Anybody know about this?
The i810 driver in Xfree 4.2 supports the i810, i815 and i830 chips, so RH 8.0 should already work on your laptop.
This is one of those little things that annoyed the hell out of me about Redhat 8.0.
Also, does startup notification work?
Inquiring minds want to know.
I second that
also, does RH do anything especialy odd that makes it difficult to compile a new kernel?
I am use to a debian system (though I do not use the dpkge utilities)
I need to recompile so that I can get ACPI working for my sound on my laptop
I ditched RH 8.0 after I couldn’t compile the kernel from
sources..does anyone know how to do it????
Thanks!
You can edit menus, there are two ways (Granted a real editor, or better instructions would be helpful)..
One:
cd /usr/share/applications
vi whatever.desktop
Two:
one time only, sets permissions so users can edit menu icons..
open a terminal
su –
chown -R root:users /usr/share/applications
chmod -R 775 /usr/share/applications
—
Double click the Home icon on your desktop
type applications:/// in the “Location:” bar
Right click an icon, select “Edit Launcher”
If you are annoyed with applications getting stuck in the “Extras” menu you can run this script as root: (BACKUP YOUR “/usr/share/applications” DIRECTORY FIRST! (“tar -cvzf appbackup.tar.gz /usr/share/applications” to back it up, man tar to restore.))
—fixmenus.pl
#!/usr/bin/perl
$|=1;
chdir “/usr/share/applications”;
@list=`grep X-Red-Hat-Extra * | awk -F: ‘{print $1}’`;
foreach $item(@list) {
chomp $item;
print “Modding “.$item.” ..”;
open (in,”<$item”);
@parts=<in>;
close (in);
open (out,”>$item”);
foreach $line(@parts) {
print “.”;
$line=~s/X-Red-Hat-Extra/X-Red-Hat-Base/g;
print out $line;
}
close (out);
print ”
“;
}
—
no, download, untar, make menuconfig, make dep && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install && cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.xx && vi /boot/grub/menu.lst
Works for me, I’ve built MANY kernels with RH8.
i830 support in XFree 4.2 is pretty cheesy for the moment, it only supports the i830 in “legacy mode” which means that your laptop must have support for it in its BIOS. My laptop only let me have a meg worth of the available 8 megs of graphics memory, which was unaccpetable for running Linux with.
However, if you run a CVS version of XFree you can get around this problem. Of course, being a CVS version, your mileage will vary. This is how i’m running Red Hat 8.0 on my laptop and I’ve only noticed a few minor stability issues because of it.
-bytes256
that was awk -F: ‘{print \$1}’
(backslash dollar one)
In GNOME 2.2 (and GNOME 2.0 post RH8 versions) you can edit the menus with Nautilus or by simply right-clicking menus. Any changes you make with nautilus to the applications:// view (linked on your desktop by default from the start-here icon) is reflected in the menus.
Also it says in the RH 8.1 beta release notes that they’ve enabled ACPI in their kernels. The kernel compilation process is exactly the same on RH as on any other distribution, I’ve compiled a ton of 2.4 & 2.5 kernels and never had a problem. But there’s not much sense in compiling a stock 2.4 kernel unless you really have to, you loose all the neat low-latency, constant time scheduler etc. patches that Red Hat has backported and included with their highly tweaked kernels.
Yeah, but in some cases the gain is worth it. For example sound was broken out of the box in 8.0, anything that required DMA broke up when played. 2.4.19 fixed that, and with a custom kernel you get other performance benefits that outweigh anything a canned kernel provides. IMHO
err, was broken on my system 😉
On any other Gnome 2.0.x implementation a user can edit entries and add entries to the menu and they only appear for that user. This enables the user to customize their menu without mucking up anyone else on the system.
I understand fully what you are saying. However, I would like menu-editing fixed so every users does not have to access to that dir. Why? My wife uses the box and I am tired of making concessions to make a world-wide menu that both of use can live with. I edit them by hand myself.
(Havoc Pennington from RH considers it broken and he has been working on something for awhile but is having problems with KDE/Gnome interoperability issues or something)
I also understand that Gnome 2.2 was supposed to have this enabled by default but 2.0.x has had it for awhile too and for some RH specific reason they left menu-editing off so I wondered if they had resolved these issues.
ACPI — to Blackcat — does it also come with APM? There is a ACPI modules already available for RH8 on freshrpms through apt but my laptop is not ACPI aware so will that mess up my APM laptop?
Will the system know which one to use? ACPI not enabled in BIOS using apm instead kind of thing.
“On any other Gnome 2.0.x implementation a user can edit entries and add entries to the menu and they only appear for that user. This enables the user to customize their menu without mucking up anyone else on the system. ”
~/.gnome/apps, it’s there now and it works.
as for ACPI, you can not use ACPI and APM at the same time, ACPI replaces APM. If you build a kernel with ACPI and APM you will get an error message telling you that it is disabling ACPI.
Ill check out RH8.1 when its out. But I will most likely stick with SuSE 8.1. Its much more stable, robust and fast for me. RH KDE support is lame at best, which is really unfortunate. Konqueror just wipes the floor with the slow, buggy, and unstable Nautilus. When I got done installing all my favorite packages (mplayer, k3b, wine, winex, nvidia drivers to name a few) in RH8 the thing made windows look stable. It was horrible. Tried to build my own kernel to no avail. Guess its no wonder that RH8 ships with practically ZERO multimedia support and warns ppl about nvidia drivers. Everything runs flawlessly in SuSE 8.1 though and Ive had no reboots since install.
“Konqueror just wipes the floor with the slow, buggy, and unstable Nautilus.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
“When I got done installing all my favorite packages (mplayer, k3b, wine, winex, nvidia drivers to name a few) in RH8 the thing made windows look stable. It was horrible.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Why do people have to resort to LIES? It’s PATHETIC! Stop deleting junk in /proc and you will not have an unstable system!
follerec: Ha! I just did the same thing; bought RH8 yesterday and spent almost all my free time installing and configuring it. I upgraded from Mandrake 8.2, but, turns out I liked that old Mandrake better. I was disappointed to find that RH8 comes with the same version of the DRI’d Mesa as I had before (3.4.2). Also, RH doesn’t give you nearly as much in the menus as Mandrake. I like choice, but am not familiar enough with all the apps to know what I want to use. Having 4 different terminals in the menu is nice, but RH provides only one.
Also, while I’m beefing about RH, their package manager program leaves a lot to be desired. It only lists a very small percentage of the actual apps installed/available on the system. I can’t start it up and search for something obscure like I could with Mandrake. Blech.
Also, I like the Mandrake configuration tools much more. For that matter, the way RH tries to make gnome and kde look and act the same now seems like an abomination to me.
I wish I could find Mandrake 9 somewhere on store shelves — I might just chalk up the RH purchase as a learning experience and try mdk9 if I can find a nice juicy impulse buy.
I never minded the skinnying down of the multiple apps that Redhat 8 did. I use Gnome so the KDE part did not bother me like it did for some users. However, the application issues you menitoned are legitimate complaints.
Some of the versioning and the fact many multi-media stuff was not there is a bit frustrating unless you download apt and synaptic and start updating.
This is a legitimate complaint. The package installer for Redhat should be tied to apt and freshrpms repositories of rpms. I love the look and feel and usability of the Redhat package installer. Unfortunately I still use synaptic because it is more useful and I can find and install lots of obscure things as John G mentioned.
I still use RH8 because from the system configuration tools to the desktop and everything about the system feels really tweaked toward the Gnome desktop environment that I love.
Excuse me….Lies??…wtf did I lie about? Real mature
I didnt delete a single file from RH8 and every package I installed was RH8 specific from freshrpms.net. I was getting everything from hard locks to kernel panics, and sorry…but yes Nautilus is a buggy POS. I experienced this crap every day for a week with RH8. I talked to a LONG time linux buddy of mine about it….one of which has always run RH as his primary distro. Wouldnt you know it, he was having similar issues after he installed all the good stuff RH saw fit to leave out of its distro. In fact in my previous statement when I said, “RH8 actually makes windows look stable”, was actually his quote. He said that compiling his own kernel cleared most of it up, but it wasnt really worth since there is a better choice of distro available. Along with myself, hes now running SuSE 8.1 and cant believe how much better it is that the rest.
You dont have to take my word for it though (after all, I guess Im a lier). Nearly every review Ive read gives SuSE 8.1 the nod over RH8 along with a few editors choice awards.
Lets see your logs, I’ll bet my system isn’t much different than yours. Nautilus has not crashed ONCE in:
1:17pm up 70 days, 3:13, 1 user, load average: 0.28, 0.22, 0.12
Sounds like you are having a problem with third party packages, you would be a fool to blame that on RedHat. Which packages did you install? I’ll bet I have ALL of them installed on this system too. I’d be glad to comb over your logs and tell you where your real problem is. If you blame the problem on the OS without providing facts to back it up, well you are LYING. (You’ve proven that with this statement: “he was having similar issues after he installed all the good stuff RH saw fit to leave out of its distro.”)
> Scanning the list of packages, the most signifant update seems to be the upgrade to GNOME 2.2
Or KDE 3.1 which shows much more improvements over 3.0 than GNOME 2.2 over 2.0.
Oh, you mean the KDE 3.1 with known security flaws?
IMO RH does a beautiful job with there new 8.0 Desktop Linux.
I ‘learned’ Yast + many problems with SuSE. Then I switched to Slackware to really learn and understand, how a Linux or OS works. This was 7 years ago.
Now at work I can test every SuSE version. And every SuSE get’s buggier with their own tools and configured packages.
(and the SuSE designers sucks and it looks like they are repressed 😉
After giving RH8 another chance (I tried all of the 7.x series), they have done a really beautiful Desktop Linux with nearly 95% running as it should run with their own configuration tools. Plus an not overbloated nice looking Theme and *working* onlines update with *fast* servers!
SuSE is now at 80% with Yast2 and their patchwork packages + designers and wasn’t better then 90% since I use and know (SuSE)Linux…
Hope, RH8.1 get’s even better 🙂
Sorry bro….it aint lying. This simple fact is RH8 doesnt work for shit for me….SuSE 7.3, 8.0 and 8.1 are flawless. By that logic I WILL blame RHs OS. Im really not gonna get into a pissing contest on that subject though. I have no doubt that RH8 is running great for tons of ppl out there.
I simply find SuSE 8.1 to be so much more than RH8. YaST allows me to admin the box in any way imaginable from one spot. Why has RH still refused to build a central control center? Ive tried all of RH8 config tools as well as MD9s control center. YaST2 just destroys everyone in this area. Ive yet to see anything come even remotely close to YaST. I also like the fact theyve nearly every major app you could ever want on their cds along with wine compiled and configured automatically during install. Next release of SuSE (Due in either Jan or Feb) will also have Codeweavers Crossover Office allowing easy installation and execution of M$office, IE, wmp, Lotus notes, quickbooks and soon photoshop to name a few (not that I run any of that stuff, but from a desktop perspective thats good stuff for windows converts). RH8 ships with a few, minimal at best, config tools, no multimedia support, no K3b, no wine. I also tried to install the Codeweavers Crossover plugin on RH8 that allows me to easily install quicktime6 and wmp6.4 as well as add all the major media plugins to mozilla (RM, WMV, MOV, FLASH etc). Well that doesnt work in RH8 either. Winex didnt work for the longest time. They just now released a new version to fix issues caused by RH8 specifically. This is supposed to be their move toward the desktop? I guess they think the improved installation and purdy new bluecurve theme is good enough.
when will i be able to right click and line up the icons on my gnome desktop???
I find your experience with SuSE pretty suprising to say the least. I actually made my switch from windows to linux with SuSE 7.3 aways back, and even as a noob I thought it was great. 8.0 was a bit buggy and wasnt anything to get excited about, but it still ran great and was stable. 8.1 on the other hand has just blown the doors off anything Ive used in linux. (and I test nearly all the major distros at every release….despite my disliking of RH8, Im anxious to try out RH8.1) With SuSE 8.1 though, outside of tweaking some scsi id settings for the ide cd and cdr and recompiling a couple apps to my liking it has been virtually flawless. Here is a really good review of it if youre interested:
http://www.ratedpc.com/review.asp?id=66
When Gnome catches up to KDE.
j/k
Here are a few.
http://www.fewt.com/desktop/2002_10_26_desktop-0.png
http://www.fewt.com/desktop/2002_10_26_desktop-1.png
http://www.fewt.com/desktop/2002_10_26_desktop-2.png
http://www.fewt.com/desktop/2002_12_23_desktop.png
KDE 3.1, is in RC5 and all reports it is really good , it is still a BETA, is fact the KDE team has frozen the code and is in audit and clean up mode.
the fact that they are taken upward of 3 to 4 months for clean up and security, shows responibility and professionalisim on there part.
that takes care of the security:
and about Gnome/Nautilus stability,
Nautilus: rarely crashed on me, in fact i like Nautilus. but i switched one of my main workstations at home to redhat 8 and the kids where able to crash Nautilus and gnome after a couple of days, and kept crashing….
this is due to the fact that they are windows users and use the file manager as they do in windows, infact the never use the CLI.
so i switched them to KDE, for 2 months not a single crash of either the file manager or KDE.
i think for most people Nautilus is fine and stable but if you put a user that really works it and try to do all sorts of stuff in it Nautilus is not forgiving.
and dont get me started on gnome…..
Nex6
“I also tried to install the Codeweavers Crossover plugin on RH8 that allows me to easily install quicktime6 and wmp6.4 as well as add all the major media plugins to mozilla (RM, WMV, MOV, FLASH etc). Well that doesnt work in RH8 either. Winex didnt work for the longest time. They just now released a new version to fix issues caused by RH8 specifically.”
huh? Crossover works fine on my system. What “fix” are you talking about? I suppose I can submit screenshots of Quicken, Lotus Notes, Visio, Starcraft, Warcraft, and several other applications if you’d like. Crossover Plugin runs GREAT on RedHat 8, and it has from day 1. I’m not using Crossover Office though, and only the you build it version of WineX so maybe I just missed something.
I give, you use SUSE and I’ll use RedHat. You’ll be happy and so will I. Please stop claiming RedHat is shit though because it’s not.
That’s a good one, Craig. I replaced nautilus as my desktop manager, I find that konqueror does the job much better. Just go to edit preferences in Nautilus and on the Desktop & Trash Category you can tell it not to manage your desktop. Then you can run startkde from a terminal or launch Extra, Preferences, Sessions from the GNOME menu and configure your system to launch startkde when you login. It might not look as uniform as some people would like, but you probably use mozilla for your web browser anyway. Might as well have the best file manager / desktop alternative too.
“i think for most people Nautilus is fine and stable but if you put a user that really works it and try to do all sorts of stuff in it Nautilus is not forgiving. ”
Hmm, my wife has been using an image grabbing script that I wrote for her to pull images off of her digital camera the day after RH8 was released. It uses nautilus heavily and so does she since she has over 3,000 pictures of kids and trips (etc) on her hard drive. If it was going to cause her problems I’d know about it by now! LOL We did have an EOG image issue once with it, but it didn’t crash, just popped up an error window. A simple killall nautilus fixed that. That was maybe 2 months ago now. I switched her from KDE 3.0 when I moved her from RedHat 7.3 to 8.0, she thought nautilus was much faster though it wasn’t quite as easy to use.
>I find your experience with SuSE pretty suprising to say
> the least.
Sorry, it’s my experience. I’m from Germany and this country is known that SuSE is a major distribution.
Do you know SuSE 7.0, where ping doesn’t work correctly? And 8.0 was a disaster! You’re right, SuSE has a lot of programs with their distribution. But they haven’t time for checking many many programs working together correctly.
So I spent a lot of time for searching their errors and don’t learn anything. Hmmm… I learned a lot of workarounds for SuSE distributions with their errors.
But don’t learned, how programs really working.
This was the time I tried Slackware and I was happy. With much less expirience I compiled year by year a lot of programs and learned *MY* errors, not SuSE one’s!!
After this expirience with SuSE x.x and RH 7.x I was really in doubt with RH8.0.
But after reading a little bit reference manuals, that comes with RH8.0, mostly everything works so beautiful. APT4RPM works like a charm, it’s great!
One point is really disapointed @RH8.0: german translations (like my english;-)
Ok, RH8.0 have no support for MP3, Flash, Java. But is this really a ‘problem’ with apt4rpm??
If I don’t want spend much time of installing & compiling a Linux system, RH8.0 is *now* the best joice.
And if I want to learn something, my fave is and will be Slackware 🙂
And if I have a lot of time, I do LFS in near future. But I’m lazy. I want a self compiling LFS system for my needs.
i am able to use Nautilus fine, but when my kids use it (ages 3 to 14) 5 in all (my “testers” ) they crash gnome/Nautilus combo 6 ways from sunday.
thats not to say everybody has these problems or that Nautilus is unstable or even a bad piece of software.
at work i support a large user base (around 3000) and there are always problem users the find ways to muck things up.
i use my kids for testers because they ARE those kinds of users. and if a can make KDE super stable for them well then i think for those problem users they will get KDE instead of gnome. (i happen to like Gnome)
its just a matter of using the right tool for the right job.
i think KDE is a little more stable and has crash recovery built in, while Gnome looks better and is more window ish and has some more cool things about it that make it more usable.
Nex6
That is very odd. Neither me or my wife can make Nautilus crash on any sort of consistent basis. The only time I have had crashes is when I tried to use a nautilus-view that was still in heavy beta (the gstreamer multimedia stuff) but that is actually gstreamer’s fault. Took that off the system (anything that makes my file manager crash consistently has to go) and I have not had issues since.
This is with a configuration tweaked to include Apotheke (a CVS view) and Fontillus (a virtual view of the fonts on the system that allow me to drag and drop install of fonts).
Nautilus for me makes me more productive mainly due to little things like notes tab to put in notes related to certain folders. The emblems help me spot out things quickly and help remind me not to mess with certain files I want to keep. However, the biggest thing about Nautilus that helps me out is the scripts folder.
Being able to highlight eight files, select them and then run scp to host and have all the scped over to servers in California help me out a lot. My ps2pdf script is another good example of a script that is nice to have. Scripts like this really speed up alot of my day to day work.
I use Gnome 2.0.3 and Nautilus on both my work and my desktop.
It is funny how people’s experience can differ so drastically. If anything I would say Konqueror has a leg up on grounds of better feature-set. The crashing thing is something I just do not get here on my boxes.
These RedHat guys have no Linux competence. They aren’t still completely desktop orientated, as has been pointed out many times here, it has one of the poorest media support “out of the box”, but I’m waiting with impatience to their ReHMudi (www.agnula.org) release getting closer.
Thinking of Mandrake downs and downs, I’m starting to wonder how will they keep up at RedHat with a GPL freely downloadable distro that really targets the desktop (after ReHMudi), I doubt it very much that the same business model for servers (wich require lots of services, training, and support) may apply on the desktop. ‘Dont know, the Agnula project is funded by the European Commission, but maintaining these distros at a RedHat and growing level burns money fast.
(****competence**** they do seem to have)
ooopss:
hehe
Nex6
the link is <a href=”http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/12/23/180201&mode=thread&tid=….
My experience is that Nautilus looks better, but is really less functional than Konqueror. It is also a lot slower than Konqueror.
KDE is definitely more feature rich than Gnome right now. That may change but for now KDE offers more.
Personally I like the way the default Gnome has the “Task Bar” at the bottom with the menus/shortcuts at the top.
Gnome to me seems like it is more for those guys that are really insistent on everything free. KDE/QT are for those people more interested in creating an alternative to the ‘Windows standard’ and are more pragmatic about getting things done users need.
Anyone who has ever read my posts will know that I am an advocate of SuSE. I must say that I have started noticing some of these stbility issues. It seems like every online update I do makes the system less stable.
Many KDE apps that used to work fine are now crashing. I am going to download this RH Beta and see how it works. I really wish that RH was focused more on KDE and less on Gnome. Right now there is little question that KDE is a superior environment. Gnome beats it in a few areas but is not clsoe overall.
Bravo
Nex6
cool, that is exactly how I do it on debian.
thanks, I think I might try it out then.
Lies? LIES!? I do not delete a thing in /proc. It is my experience that Windows 2000 has been more stable than most GNU/Linux systems I have used (on various systems). Many have other opinions, but because you believe your own operating system is superior; don’t just start accusing us of lying when we find otherwise.
ok, so I don’t have to add the ACPI patch, the low-latency patch, the preemtop patch or anything else under RH?
cool…..I will just have to dig up the old APT on red hat article to get apt on it 🙂
Funny Andrew I use SuSE at work (our standard here) and I wish that SuSE was more gnome friendly. At least James Oglsey is there to help out.
I did not want to feed a useless arguement (kde v. gnome) (konqueror v. nautilus) but I have had the same experience. A number of my users update using YOU and had the same instability experience or more precisely it is like YOU does not download everything and you end up with dependency issues that when you are getting rpms from the source (your distro) that I have never had with RH8.
However, I will caution you that in my experience Redhat is so Gnome centered that for the KDE user you might want to try out Mandrake instead.
My experience has been that for KDE SuSE despite update problems is best and for the Gnome user RedHat is the way to go but that is just my opinion.
http://psyche.freshrpms.net/rpm.html?id=244
Windows 2000 has proven itself the exact opposite in my experience.
Still that is my experience Laughing Man and if you do not like Linux and love MS more power to you.
There are zealots on every side. (Where is Simba today? :->)
I do not blame you for being annoyed by linux zealots or complete mac heads. Not all of us are blind zealots and a few people actually understand that most OSes in production use have their place in IT and at home.
I used Gnome2 for a while on SuSE. I actually quite liked it. In my opinion if you don’t need or want as much intergration Gnome is cool. So I could see how you could want a SuSE with more Gnome.
I have used Mandrake quite a lot, I started with it. I have some spare space on my drive for alternate Linux distros, curently I have Debian running on it, but will give this beta a go and then also reinstall the Mandrake 9.0 later, and then I am also going to try getting Gentoo to work again. It failed compiling X previosly.
On the Windows 2000 front. For me XP, before I removed it forever, was pretty unstable. Slow sometimes, fast other times, and it would crash. I use an older Computer (PIII 667) at work with Win 2000, have many windows open and it refuses to crash, in fact I cannot remember it crashing in 15 months using it. I do switch it off every night though. I think a lot of these stability issues are hardware and driver related.
We can be honest though, Win 98/95 was terrible, a ghastly system.
i run freebsd 4.6, redhat 7.3, redhat 8.0, suse 7.3, and os x (10.3) and windows xp.
after installing nvidia drivers, mplayer, and a whole bunch of other stuff…I CAN POSTIVELY SAY:
YOU HAVE F’D UP YOUR MACHINE.
it’s the user with the problem…not the distro.
you must still be in that stage of distro hopping…where one tries yet another distro because they couldn’t make something work.
it’s all in the user.
How’d you get your hands on OS X 10.3? As far as I know, they’re still on 10.2 (10.2.3).
> Oh, you mean the KDE 3.1 with known security flaws?
There will be no KDE 3.1 with (at release time) known security flaws. Didn’t you follow news the last weeks why KDE was delayed? I’m curious when Gnome will start a security audit. But since you are troll you will say Gnome has no flaws because they don’t release security advisories due to bug freeness.
exactly what projects with windows 2000 as well as linux have you completed?
i’d be interested in your observations.
I have personally setup NT 4.0 domains, win 2k domains w/AD, Exchange server 5.5. Configuring NT/2k/XP workstations is quite a simple task for me. I’ve also done a few 2k Small Biz setups. I’m an MCSE 4.0 and this all falls within my skill set, without straining.
I have also configured FreeBSD & suse running as samba stand alone servers, and as samba PDCs as well. I’ve installed/configured postfix, cyrus-imap, horde-imp-turba-kronolith. I’ve setup redhat workstations for some 3d guys (they were running maya 4.5) and put them in a NIS domain.
Laughing Man, before i share some of my insights…i’d like to know a little about your history.
I can confirm that. I had RH8.0 running on my Fucitsu laptop with the i810 drivers (they have suport for the i830M chipset)
Im not distro hopping at all. My main system has always been SuSE from the beginning. (7.3, 8.0, 8.1) I wasnt overly impressed with suse 8 so I actually switched to RH8 for a week on my main machine. When I started running into trouble, I decided to read up on SuSE 8.1 since thats what I had used for the last 2 years. Nearly every review was positive with a couple of bitch points and anytime it was compared to RH8 the editor gave the nod to SuSE. So I bought it and it was the best thing I did. Ive since got 2 other friends on RH8 to convert to SuSE 8.1 and they are in total agreement with me. It is important to mention that it also has a lot to do with your GUI prefrence. If youre a KDE person, definately SuSE….if youre a Gnome person, without a doubt RH8. I dont think RH8 is shit, I think it needs polishing. It didnt work well on my system for some reason and SuSE ran fine….what can I say. Im really looking forward to RH8.1. It will definately be the next distro installed on my test box at work.
“it’s the user with the problem…not the distro”
Ya right, I guess I mustve made a mistake or did somthing wrong when I single mouse clicked to launch the rpm. Please.
ok all flames aside.
i just installed rh8 a couple of weeks ago…on an old dual celery system, and also on a more current athlonxp1800 system with geforce3ti200.
i think it’s really decent. mplayer works just fine on both machines…i went to freshrpms.net ( http://psyche.freshrpms.net/ )
and either downloaded rpms or source rpms. rebuild –rebuild source rpms and -ivh the rpms….everything seems fine.
i’m mostly a KDE fan, i have even submitted a few home made backgrounds to kde-look.org.
all that said…i decided to give the new gnome (w/metacity) a try.
while i personally will stick with kde on my suse workstations….i think the gnome w/metacity has potential as a simplified desktop for newbies.
anyway..everyone has quirks…you are obviously have them with rh8….i’m not (on 3 different machines).
what can i say?
You can run KDE on top of GNOME/metacity at the same time. Run startkde sometime in a gnome terminal and let me know what you think.
Red Hat 8 and SuSE 8.1 both raised the bar in their own respective ways. They are both outstanding distros and I use them both. What is there to argue about? Neither has any stability problems of any consequence. Both have zipped past other distros in their “classification” or whatever you want to call it. I think Mandrake is the big loser in the advances of RH and SuSE, although I take no joy in saying that.
Well here are my comments on the distro war issue. I think that both SuSE and RH do great job pushing linux into desktop market. Mandrake does some great job too.
But what I really think is that it doesn’t matter what distro you run. It is all linux and works similarly.
My personal favorite is slackware. All the packages work, and are stable. It isn’t that hard to find packages that work with it. What is most important Patric doesn’t use much patches with the soft he ships. Patches often add more bugs to software. As for the control center issue vi and /etc is my control center
red hat shoud have an forum from 3.parts users, I know freshrpms.net but, one where people can ask for help, and get *.i386.rpm`s like I well have phoenix with all pluggins (flash, java.. etc.) in one rpm that I can download with apt.
And they can have Tips and Tricks for installing things like nvida stuff..
I know that mandrake have alot (from distrowatch)
MandrakeCampus, Mandrake Club, MandrakeExpert, MandrakeForum, MandrakeSecure, MandrakeUser, Buchan Milne’s Home, Desktop Mandrake, The Mandrake eXPerience, Mandrakefr.org (French), MandrakeUsers Board, Penguin Liberation Front (unofficial Mandrake packages), trylinuxSD
and also pclinuxonline.com have “textstar” that have an server and makes rpm`s to mdk.
Here is a small list of 3rd party RedHat forums.
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&group=l…
http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=redhat&submit=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=redhat+linux…
While they are not RedHat sanctioned forums, you can find help in any of them..
pffft.
please read title
Hi all,
do you know the difference between apt(ported to rmp), up2date and urpmi of Mandrake ?
It is so _strange_ that RH doesn’t ship an ‘apt like’ program, or up2date makes all the works for them ?
GAAH!!! Over 1GB of traffic in 10 hours from OSNEWS! LOL, sorry had to remove the screenshots.
part 1 http://www.sudhian.com/docs.cfm/id/290.sud
part 2 http://www.sudhian.com/docs.cfm/id/296.sud
🙂
And people wonder why I never post screenshots here, but rather email to the person in question personally……
I have used both distros RH8 & S81 both have problems on my Gateway System. I have PIII 800 and 815 chipset. SuSE 8.1 has still the least problems. RH 8.1 doesn’t boot unless I enter “apm=off” in the configuration file of grub. This is a serious problem that I never encounter with SuSE. Why serious? Because It will disable the Advanced Power Management feature, So the final stage of shut down will be manual. Beside the other diadvantages. Second the sound card will simply not work at all, It is PCI 128 from Soundblaster. In contrary, SUSE did an amazing job with sound so my card was recognized perfectly and worked just fine out of the box and with no tweaks other than adjusting the volume level. I know that other people might never found these problems, and this is beccause the have a better BIOS than mine so they have the beast tweak possible, but I guess that for a distro to suceed they must address all Plug & Play stuff more. I forget to mention that without NVidia drivers my graphics card will not display nothing with SUSE 8.1, while RH 8 will function perfectly.
“Phoebe” was the name of the infamous ill-fated RiscPC2 project which Acorn was working on before they gave up on the desktop-computer market. I somehow doubt Redhat knows what Acorn was, though