In a statement given to MacCentral in response to the recent page posted on Adobe’s site showing that Adobe After Effects performs better on a PC than on a Mac, Apple states that After Effects is slower on the Mac compared to Apple’s own Final Cut Express, and that comparable effects in FCE perform better than After Effects on a PC or a Mac.
Apple Responds to Adobe’s ‘PC Preferred’ Site
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seth said: “I have read this forum and I am going to say this, thank god I dont use a mac. I never have and I never will, Macintosh Sucks.”
In other words, if apple kept getting better, worked out the speed problem (Motorola’s processors), and was clearly and obviously the best, you would not buy a mac.
What does that tell people? It’s not about what’s better. It’s about something else. Frankly, I think it’s mostly, on this forum, about wanting to build your own and do piecemeal upgrades. Which you can’t do on the mac (upgrades you can do some but it’s not the same).
So Seth, maybe you shouldn’t buy a PC either because there’s some diehards. Doesn’t make much sense.
At least the PC die hards dont sit there and preach about the computers, they dont follow you around the mall begging you to go into the Apple Store. I know alot of Mac users from my school, I go to college for computer science and they are the same. Everytime in study group I have at least 2 or 3 that tell me I need to switch to a Mac. No thank you.
” In other words, if apple kept getting better, worked out the speed problem (Motorola’s processors), and was clearly and obviously the best, you would not buy a mac. ”
No I would not buy a Macinstosh, because like others have said in this forum. I use the tool that works best for me. I took a course in Operating Systems and I have seen a Mac in action and to me, I do not see a big difference. If anything I see something much worse, because yes MS might control te OS on the PC side but Apple controls the OS, Hardware which means they can do anything, require you to pay more and Apple has no real competition. So if Apple was to tick me off I cant go anywhere else because I cannot take the Applications with me, whereas in the PC world if IBM ticks me off I can go buy an HP and not spend another penny in Apps. Overall tho I find the experience, speed and better quality with Windows XP.
By the way I dont see shelling out thousands of dollars for a computer when I can get one for less than a thousand. Why do you think film studios and some artists have gone to Linux? They see they can get better performance for half the cost of Macs and SGI computers.
Film Studios require renderfarms which Apple has no machines to fit that bill. They don’t sell mainframes not cluster systems with pure CPU power to fit the bill. Tool for the job as you said remember? 😉 The XServe is more targeted towards easier admin. A renderfarm doesn’t need that.
Also this is an article I explaining what I was talking about as far as software optimization and comparing AE on the SAME platform vs. FCP/E.
http://www.creativemac.com/HTM/HomeSet1.htm
I still agree with you all about the CPU performance being a factor as well but the software is to blame as well.
Although I don’t agree with you does NOT mean I’m against you
Bytore: Is it your opinion that the Mac is just a tool? Would you tell a car fanatic that his ’82 Alfa Romeo Graduate is just “a means of transportation”.
F**kin A! You’ve understood me! A car is just a car. Now I agree that the Alfa Romeo is a nice car just as the Mac is a nice computer BUT it is NOT the car/computer for me! And I sure as h*ll don’t try to force that view upon others!
BUT that Mac “tool” works best for me and I work BEST when using my Mac. I have a work flow, I’m an artist and my Mac doesn’t interfere with my workflow it enhances it.
I’m happy for you that it works for you so why can’t you accept the fact that the things that I do on my ‘puter CANNOT be performed on a Mac. In comparison, just here on my floor in the building at work I am the only one with a PC as my workstation whereas the others (7 more on this floor) uses Macs (then there’s *nix/Windows servers also) and I shit you not that I’m twice as fast doing the similar things that they do on their Macs (the other stuff you can’t do on a Mac of course only I can do). Now would you stillargue that a Mac is better for me then? are they more stupid/slow etc? I wouldn’t say so.
Jared: Mac just a tool? Guess again….
I appreciate the Mac for what it is: a simply better personal computer design. Same reason why I drive a Volvo and eat organic food. I appreciate the finer things in life.
Huh? Really I usually try not to insult people but you seem thick as few. All foods, per definition, is organic! Now, I now you didn’t mean other foods aren’t organic but rather I assume you meant “fresh”.
So you “appreciate the finer things in life”. Well good for you! That means other grunts like me who use an x86-based ‘puter apparently does not?! I’d tell you my SAAB runs rings around your Volvo. My “PC” does the same with your Mac and you still can’t do the things on your Mac as I can do on my ‘puter.
But for those people who would describe a painting as “blobs of colored goop on a canvas,” I’ll outline two things which sum up why I use a Mac:
You constantly seem to wanna define yourself by trying to appear more sofisticated than others. I really pity you, I truly do. Remember this, it is not the toys you bring with you to meet your maker (whatever you might believe in if anything at all) and I will at least know that my money and my time was better spent making the days of those who have little perhaps a bit more “easy”. That to me is the “finer” things in life.
1. Serial number of back of optical drive on iMac G4. How brilliant.
I never thought of it that way. I saw it more: do you have to call support that often, when using a Mac, that you need to have the sticker easily accessible?! Through the 8 x86 PCs I’ve owned I have yet to call support or even look at the serial number. I’m saddened that you see this as something positive.
2. I picked this up from xvsxp.com (great site, BTW). Let me give you two button titles and see if you can tell me what the dialog box is for:
Yes, No, Cancel
Now tell me what this dialog box is for:
Save, Don’t Save, Cancel
Isn’t that amazing?!?! You don’t have to read all the text in the dialog box. Just look at the buttons, and they actually TELL you something. Again, an example of how Apple really cares about the user experience.
I’ve read alot of things/comparisons of Mac vs PC (or as it most often is Mac vs MS) on sites like Makido, xvsxp etc and this example is just hilarious. I’ve after I saw that dialog box looked really hard in lots of apps and have yet to find a save-dialog box that have that text as all sofar have hade Save, Don’t save, Cancel.
I’ve seen alert messages in Windows and Linux that are completely incomprehensible, and I’ve been using computers for years.
Yes and the errormessages from Mac OS 9 and earlier that said “Error 412” etc was very intuitive ey?
I have yet to see a properly-designed OS X program that doesn’t tell you exactly what’s going on at all times. I never have to figure out why stuff breaks, or why program X won’t run anymore, or why I can’t perform Z task. It just works. Sure, OS X isn’t crash-proof, but it’s consistent.
I have yet to see a Mac program that does the stuff I currently can’t do on a Mac.
Consistent about crashing? (missunderstanding intended) I have yet to have a BSOD on my PC since I switched to the NT kernel-based Windowses. So I’d say the same; Windows is consistent about not crashing. Now, an OS that does not crash for me, those are the things I DO appreciatein an OS.
Now just to rehash, you say Macs works best for you, perfect, you’ve found your bliss and I’ve found mine and I will never ever tell you that a PC is better for you AS IT IN YOUR OPINION ISN’T!
Now move along, get a life and learn to appreciate the fact that quality of life is not what toys you own/use.
Chreo: And I sure as h*ll don’t try to force that view upon others!
I’m not telling you what to use.. I could care less. An question was asked “why Mac users love their Macs”. We have just been trying to explain why “We” like them so much. I could give a flyin’ rats arse what you use. If it works for you then fine use it. Macs work best for me, so I use them.
Chreo: I’m happy for you that it works for you so why can’t you accept the fact that the things that I do on my ‘puter CANNOT be performed on a Mac.
I never even brought that up…. like I said before, I could care less why you use “whatever you use”.
Chreo: F**kin A! You’ve understood me! A car is just a car. Now I agree that the Alfa Romeo is a nice car just as the Mac is a nice computer BUT it is NOT the car/computer for me!
Go to a car show and tell one of the guys there that his car is “just another car”. I’m sure you won’t “get that” either.
You still don’t get it…. and now everyone here know’s it now.
There are things in the world that people like (cars, computers, pets, art, music, movies, toys, etc.) Some of the people that like these things see them as More than what other people do. Why? Well everyone has their own reasons. Just because you see a Mac as just a tool or an Alfa Romeo as just a car is fine, but that doesn’t mean that the rest of us have to look thru your glasses.
Cheers…
Bytore: I’m not telling you what to use.. I could care less. An question was asked “why Mac users love their Macs”. We have just been trying to explain why “We” like them so much. I could give a flyin’ rats arse what you use.
Then why do the Mac lovers always have to tell me that their Mac is better and tell me that I should switch?! This is where your reasoning fail, Mac lovers obviously do resent me (and all others) for using a PC even tho I (and many with me) find it better for me/them. I really dislike this “forcing of view” just as much from rabid “PC” users and I think Mac lovers should keep around Mac lovers and PC lovers shouls stick to themselves until they stop this preaching and accept that there are other opinions as well. This is a site for all OSes and they all have their users and lovers.
[…]but that doesn’t mean that the rest of us have to look thru your glasses.
Trust me when I honestly tell you that I never ever hope want this. I love differences and different opinions (why whould I troll around here otherwise?) and freedom of choice is a great thing
//for reference i also have a Bang&Olufsen stereo… //
Don’t want to rain on your parade, but unless your stereo is more than 10 years old, it’s made entirely of cheap components, probably assembled in Korea or China.
Bang & Olufsen sold out a long time ago, unfortunately. Not at all what they used to be.
Chreo: Then why do the Mac lovers always have to tell me that their Mac is better and tell me that I should switch?!
Here’s a suggestion, ask the person who “tells you to switch”. Don’t ask me why someone told you to do that. I’m only on here stating why I… Yes.. Me, Myself and I like using the Mac. I’ve repeatedly told you I use a Mac because it works better FOR ME. I haven’t told you to switch, I haven’t told you your computer sux, I haven’t said ANYTHING like that so why do you keep bringing it up with me?
Once again, ask those that want you to switch… I could care less “whatever you use!”
adobe’s statements are saying that THEIR software is faster on the PC than the MAC, not saying our software is faster than yours, or the pc is faster than the mac in general. All of you are taking their statements all wrong.
“//for reference i also have a Bang&Olufsen stereo… //
Don’t want to rain on your parade, but unless your stereo is more than 10 years old, it’s made entirely of cheap components, probably assembled in Korea or China.
Bang & Olufsen sold out a long time ago, unfortunately. Not at all what they used to be.”
actually it is…;)
a 1988 Beosystem 3500
(yeah, they have lost touch a little recently..wtf is up with BeoSound2)
Since nobody else answered the question asked about this program many comments back, the answer is yes. TIFFany was a strange but very, very capable image creation and processing program, good enough to get the attention of some pretty big customers back in the NeXT days. It didn’t do well under OS X because the company didn’t have the resources to promote it, and because Photoshop had become too entrenched at that point. But it’s very capable and as long as you have the true “think outside the box” mentality (of the sort that’d let you appreciate the direction some of the BeOS image programs were going, even though they clearly weren’t at Photoshop’s [or TIFFany’s] level), it’s a worthy challenger to older versions of Photoshop. Someone trying to “rescue” the codebase would have work to do in bringing it up to speed in some areas (my impression is that it was aimed at video/matte work and likely lagged contemporary programs for both prepress and web output capability), but the existing codebase is all Cocoa–meaning that unlike GIMP (for instance) there would be no need to waste resources on the porting and “Aquification” process.
Again, I don’t think Apple’s working on anything like this. But to add a bit of fuel to the idle speculation the timing of Caffeine Soft’s demise might cause, it is interesting that the guy who wrote TIFFany has in fact been a fairly high-level Apple employee for several years now (in the WebObjects group).
Excalibur say “Film Studios require renderfarms which Apple has no machines to fit that bill.” … well the PC now DOES fit that bill. ILM bought 600 P4 PCs running Linux last year, Why not the almighty Mac? Pixar, of which Steve Jobs is CEO even chose PCs/Linux…go figure, Mac minority!
Now Adobe is stating the obvious to most people on the planet…except Mac users. The PC is killing the Mac…despite aqua and OSX…or the promise of ‘Panther’ or the rumours of 970.
In response, Apple is ‘taking their bat and ball home’ by developing/buying software which only runs on Mac. They can’t compete with the world anymore…cause they’re having their a*se kicked! This is a receipe for failure.
Mac users have always said that the Mac is the first choice for the creative industries…time they stopped that. Adobe says that PC is the preferred choice…
Amazes me that I get that line all the time from Mac users.
They are so far out of touch with the real world…
Boy, so little food for thought:
To the person who uses a Mac All day. Get an application. I dont see any ugly GUI Mac or PC all day. I see my application. My PC starts quicker, runs quicker. I do Photoshop work professionaly, and do NOT use the majority of the “lighting effects” that a G4 is faster at, so my Athlon is faster for Painting and creation. Creation is what art is all about?
To the person who uses a Mac, as the finer things in life? Ever seen a SGI? Organic food gives you an increased health risk from spoilage, and food poising. Volvo? Why not a BMW? or a Ferarri for that matter? Your Mac is not a Ferarri. Your mac is a cute, expensive cheap plastic toy designed to substitute for a plastic passifier, that Steven J Shoves down your throat. Want to really see a Macintosh run fast? Load LinuxPPC. IT ROCKS!
Anyone who believes in this benchmark crap is a fool.
I can buy a Quad processor off the shelf. ( PC. ) Macintosh Quad processors were discontinued when another company was purchased by ( PowerComputing ) and Apple discontinued Liscensing their OS, probibly because the competition was too feirce. Apple is a hardware company, with fan problems.
Cool then down, and clock chip your iPod.
When a Macintosh is on http://www.top500.org, they can call it a supercomputer, until then its HYPE, LIES.
Did they run the benchmark against a DUAL PROCESSOR? Dual vs Dual? Noooo….. that would be apples and oranges.
Just FYI. I have been benchmarking systems for 17 Years, and I dont believe any of it.
Killmo
Realworld App this:
NewTek Lightwave.
Faster with Hyperthreading.
“Organic food gives you increased health risk…”
I don’t care how long you’ve been benchmarking, son, you need to get out more.
Apple has been on a roll, it ain’t stopping. And it all derives from apple making the hardware, the OS, the apps and the online service.
You PC guys in love with building-your-own, piecing a bunch of parts and code from 10 different companies together — are going to be crying so hard over the next 12 months, I feel really sorry for you.
well….. id dont know if crying…. but they might be able to look at what apple is doing, and realise that..
whilst it may not suit their workflow…
that it is a viable alternative for some people…
rather than simply… CRAP SLOW.LOOSER MACLOT TOYS.. etc etc
>>>Just FYI. I have been benchmarking systems for 17 Years, and I dont believe any of it.
Killmo
was that punchcards, vacuum tubes or reel2reel?
=)
” Apple has been on a roll, it ain’t stopping. And it all derives from apple making the hardware, the OS, the apps and the online service.
You PC guys in love with building-your-own, piecing a bunch of parts and code from 10 different companies together — are going to be crying so hard over the next 12 months, I feel really sorry for you.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HOHOHOHOHOHO HEHEHEHEHEHEHE BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Appleforever how old are you? Twelve ? Thirteen? Quit acting like it. There is nothing special about a Mac, NOTHING. Its all an illusion for weakminded fools like you. Apple will never go out of business because they have figured in the sucker contingency. No matter what the benchmarks say, Mac users will still claim from the top of the highest mountain that Macs are better than a PC.
” You PC guys in love with building-your-own, piecing a bunch of parts and code from 10 different companies together — are going to be crying so hard over the next 12 months, I feel really sorry for you.”
I wont be crying, I will be laughing my a– off and thinking to myself ” Jesus, Steve got Appleforever and the rest of the mac cultist to spend their money on more crap ” Poor PC users, no, poor Mac users because you will be paying 6 to 7 thousand dollars on a Power4 based Mac. Getting ripped off like you have been doing since the beginning of the ” New ” Mac era. 64 bit may seem nice but you have to ask yourself. 64 bit Workstations have been around for along time how come no one bought them before ? If Apple tries to keep up with its current pricing it will be seriously subsidizing its hardware and it will lose even more money. Plus if Apple goes with a 64 bit processor, I forsee many ISVs withdrawing support for the Mac platform, My company will be one to withdraw, its already been discussed.