Mozilla 1.4-RC2 Released
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Ex-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker.
Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli
This seems to have been greatly improved in its load time on Windows XP from RC1.
I have not yet tried this on my Linux partition (that’s next)…but so far XP Pro seems very pleased with it.
This is to become the new really super duper stable branch and the last of the integrated mozilla suite, so help make this release rock, by testing it throughly, donating, fixing stuff etc.
It would be nice to be able to turn off specific flash components. When viewing news sites like http://www.news.com there are often big ads right in the middle of the article which are quite distracting.
Mozilla has excellent control over images and I especially like the ability to turn off images from a particular site/address. I would love it if I could do the same thing with flash or at least right click on a flash ad (or adjacent to it) to selectively turn it off.
I am really curious about how future versions of Mozilla will operate. I like firebird…hopefully that is the concept that will be utilized.
IE is ahead in compatibility with web sites, as well as performance and functionality. Not to mention the slick integration with the operating system. Really, why would someone want to use a non-Microsoft product when the Microsoft product is good enough? Everyone uses Windows and most programs are written for Windows, so I really don’t see any value in Mozilla/Linux/etc. Even if they’re better (which is debatable) you gain nothing by sticking with a niche player.
Dont feed the troll.
Because I have a brain, I like choices and thinking is a common occurrence in my life. You probably drive a Ford or Chevy as well since it meets your dismal standard of living. Your poor choice of life is your priority, just keep it to yourself. We are tired of comments such as yours that lead to driving the systolic pressure of our arteries through the roof. Stupidity continues to flounder these message boards at staggering rates. How did you find this site? Forget you ever saw it and head to http://www.windows-sucks.com/ where you might learn something.
Well, I am a web developer. My experience with IE is that it is NOT the most compatible web browser. It doesn’t fully conform to standards and it lets pop-ups plague the user.
Two standards that I can think of right now are PNG and CSS 2. IE doens’t have full support for either. PNG lets you use semi-transparent, full color images on a web site. This can produce fantastic designs…unfortunately IE can’t display them. CSS 2 can let you define a flyout menu with the use of javascript…doesn’t work in IE though.
As far as integrating with Windows…who cares. What can IE do that Mozilla can’t? Check for updates for Windows. Fine…I’ll use it for that.
However, I really hate seeing pop-ups. Mozilla kills them right away. I am gaining something by sticking with a niche player. I haven’t lost any functionality…I gained some.
Have you even tried Mozilla lately? It isn’t the pile of crap that Netscape releases…all bloated with AOL ads.
Have you tried a tabbed browser? Once you have, something like IE just seems primative.
Mozilla has also in my experience been more stable than IE. I frequently have IE crashing when compared to Mozilla.
Thanks for the trolling…but IE is just plain crap.
Well…I wouldn’t say IE is crap, but I do like Camino which is my primary browser. Since Mozilla released 1.4-RC2 I hope we can see an update to Camino soon.
IE is ahead in compatibility with web sites, as well as performance and functionality. Not to mention the slick integration with the operating system. Really, why would someone want to use a non-Microsoft product when the Microsoft product is good enough?
I like to encourage design and build to standards not implementations, and don’t like an unaccountable authority being responsible for key infrastructure. Mozilla, Opera, and other alternatives are a sanity check.
Go to http://ted.mielczarek.org/code/mozilla/“>Ted then click on “Flash click to view” which will install a flash blocker. When you want to see the flash ad/whatever you simply click on it. Works with Phoenix/Firebird and Mozilla
“Well, I am a web developer. My experience with IE is that it is NOT the most compatible web browser. It doesn’t fully conform to standards and it lets pop-ups plague the user.
Two standards that I can think of right now are PNG and CSS 2.”
Yep… load this page with Mozilla and IE: http://entropymine.com/jason/testbed/pngtrans/
IE fails miserably. Its rendering engine is pathetically outdated (IE6 was released way back in Oct. 2001), and its far from being standards-compliant.
Why I like Mozilla, including some of the reasons you mentioned.
* popup blocking
* banner ad blocking
* more secure than IE
* customizability
* tabbed browsing
* stability
* advanced privacy options
Two words. Tabbed browsing.
NTLM authentication is a pretty big thing if you’re stuck behind an MS proxy server. I hope that feature gets migrated to Firebird.
Since RSI problems in my wrists “Find As You Type” feature in Mozilla browser has become very valuable. It allows you to navigate web pages easily without mouse but still have graphics (unlike text-based browser).
I love Mozilla and only hope it keeps getting better. About the only time I use IE is to check for updates/secuirty fixes/bug patches and thats about it.
> NTLM authentication is a pretty big thing if you’re stuck
> behind an MS proxy server. I hope that feature gets migrated
> to Firebird.
I hope this thing gets migrated to Linux. I became so unbelievably excited when I heard the news of NTLM authentication coming to Mozilla. And then… I found out it was for the Windows build only :'(
Anyone have any news on plans to implement NTLM authentication on non-Windows versions?
Thanks for the flash blocker tip, I clicked, I Installed, I liked it. I’m running Mozilla 1.5a trunk compiled from source (don’t ask me why) and as far as GTK2 patches goes, this is the thing I’ve been looking for, almost no need whatsoever to use one of the GTK2 interfaces like Galeon or Epiphany anymore, I just don’t like the concept of having to have Mozilla + favourite interface, the concept (sadly) works smoother on windows cause they squeezed IE into Windows as standard, but for Linux I’m keeping my faith in the upcoming structure changes that as I understand it will fix this and allow frontends to become fully fledged Gecko Powered browsers.
I think Samba can do this type of MS protocol on unix.
But they cannot integrate the Code into Mozilla because Samba is GPL, and Mozilla is LGPL/GPL/MPL and Netscape wants the licence not to change.
Of cource someone not working for Netscape could fork the code of Mozilla und copy the code over from Samba, the result would be GPL licensed. Netscape would not be happy about this, but I would not care…
<quote> You probably drive a Ford or Chevy as well since it meets your dismal standard of living. </quote>
Now why was this necessary?
Yep… load this page with Mozilla and IE: http://entropymine.com/jason/testbed/pngtrans/
I am using IE 6.0 and there is no difference on transparency *in this case*.
PNG and CSS 2. IE doens’t have full support for either. PNG lets you use semi-transparent, full color images on a web site. This can produce fantastic designs…unfortunately IE can’t display them. CSS 2 can let you define a flyout menu with the use of javascript…doesn’t work in IE
Microsoft has jscript and Front Page extensions, You would ot expect that MS wants you to use javascript. The same goes with asp versus php and some online banking web sites.
Long live to Mozilla and Phoenix (or is it ?? forgot the new name of Phoenix ??).
They are very good for *tabbed* browsing, but not the first, has I remember Opera was the firt brwoser with tabbed brownsing;
I use IE 90 % just because of off line caching , enables you to read pages visted 3 or more mdays ago !
and to confortably use and confortably change my customized 1024×768 CSS file.
Mozilla 1.4 is good for drawing and resizing html tables à la OpenOffice and à la Front Page.
Yes, IE is crap…particularly on Macs. That maybe why Microsoft has decided to no longer port IE to Mac OS. They know they are beat with Mozilla and Safari (Microsoft rep actually stated that Safari is a better solution on Macs than IE is).
http://www.google.com.br/search?hl=pt-BR&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=101+th…
Nuff said.
About tabbed browsing: what Opera does is NOT tabbed browsing.
I know you can use it in a pretty similar way to tabbed browsing, but all in all it is simply the old MDI structure (just like the old versions of Word and Excel, for example): multiple “files” or “views” inside a bigger window.
They can be resized and arranged to be (for example) side by side.
I personally prefer tabbed browsing, and find rather uncomfortable the MDI approach of Opera.
I remember seeing Tabbed Browsing on Galeon for the first time, in mozilla 0.9.6 times.
Yep… load this page with Mozilla and IE: http://entropymine.com/jason/testbed/pngtrans/
I am using IE 6.0 and there is no difference on transparency *in this case*.
Just tried it and remarkably it did work in IE…however the bulk of PNG tests for alpha and bit level transparency will fail on IE. Even the official tests by the PNG folks and the W3C (which Microsoft is a member of). Microsoft is supposedly working on the issue but they have been making promises that they will include full PNG support since IE 5.
Microsoft has jscript and Front Page extensions, You would ot expect that MS wants you to use javascript.
For “jscript” read “bastardized JavaScript.” As far as Front Page extensions go…those are just for web site development (again another crappy porduct). I have accessed pages that use Front Page extensions using Mozilla without any problem.
The same goes with asp versus php and some online banking web sites.
How does this fit in? ASP and PHP are server side when we are talking about a web browser…ya know…client side. ASP and PHP have no place in this discussion.
I use IE 90 % just because of off line caching , enables you to read pages visted 3 or more mdays ago
So. I do this in Mozilla. So far all the pro-IE/anti-Moz comments have led to a score of IE=0 Mozilla=3.
I used to be an IE fan. I at one time thought it was more compatible…then I became a web developer and my eyes were opened. Sorry…IE is just not fully standards compliant like Microsoft claims.
Yes, IE is crap…particularly on Macs.
Actually, the versions of IE for Mac that use the Tasman rendering engine are generally ahead of IE for Windows when it comes to standards support and properly rendering pages. And MSN for Mac is ahead of every other browser in CSS3 support.
See the following for a comparison of CSS2 and CSS3 support:
http://www.macedition.com/cb/resources/abridgedcsssupport.html
http://www.macedition.com/cb/resources/css3support_selectors.html
(Note: Personally, I use Mozilla on Linux or Windows XP, but I do use CSS extensively on websites I develop, and test on IE for Mac.)
IE was good enough for MAC users before Safari. IE lacks of features but I don’t think it is crap.
I switched recently and I tell you I’m not a big fan of Safari either. In my opinion Camino is the best and fastest browser for the MAC platform.
if you’re using Mozilla, to stop flash ads and junk, simply modify/create a file called, userContent.css in your profile chrome directory and place the following inside the file:
/* begin addition */
object, embed, iframe{ display: none !important; }
/* end of addition */
once you add this, restart mozilla and go to any news site that has those flash ads or iframe ads and whala gone!
1st, mozilla rocks!
But 2 things i can’t do: 1) block iframes and 2)disable META commands, like REFRESH.
Can anyone offer a clue?
TIA!
http://texturizer.net/firebird/extensions.html#Flash%20Click~*~…
They are very good for *tabbed* browsing, but not the first, has I remember Opera was the firt brwoser with tabbed brownsing;
Ibrowse for AmigaOS had tabbed browsing before Opera.
To the guy who thinks that Mozilla doesn’t offer anything, does IE gives you :
– Find Type as you type and caret browsing
– tabbed browsing
– popup blocker
– security (password manager, master password, cookie manager, form manager, fine script filtering, image manager, page info…)
– developper tools (DOM inspector, Javascript debugger, real javascript console…)
– user style sheet
– themes
– alternate stye sheet support
– a text zoom that works !
– groupmarks
– download manager
– hundreds of extensions to add features to the browser
– 3 to 5 major updates per year (last time IE was updates was in 2001 !)
– http 1.1 pipelining
Answer : no, IE doesn’t offer you anything of what I have listed and this is a short list of what Mozilla offers that you’ll never see in IE
Well IE on a mac does have a download manager and a cookie manager to be fair.
But you’re generally right…IE just is lacking.
Sorry…IE is just not fully standards compliant like Microsoft claims.
I agree, but that’s just how the real world is.
IE is used by 90% of internet users so the real standard is more like: » comply to IE working mode.
I like and use Mozilla, mostly on Linux.
<quote> You probably drive a Ford or Chevy as well since it meets your dismal standard of living. </quote>
Now why was this necessary?
Because anyone who has atleast a tea-spoon of style would refuse to drive such ugly looking yank-tanks.
IE is used by 90%
Does that mean that web developers should just rollover and suck MS off? Also…when was the last time this figure was checked and who came up with it in the first place? I don’t necessarily doubt it…but who is to say the numbers are not dropping?
Further, working for the government, we have to use section 508 standards…IE’s way of doing things doesn’t really firt with section 508.
At NASA, an IT recommendation was recently put into place which says essentially “ditch IE and switch to Mozilla.” I am sure that we are not the only organization doing this.
I think IE is becoming less popular than people know.
I don’t seem Mac users using it. It doesn’t exist on Linux (which is getting more popular all the time). And I see a lot of organizations switching away from it. Further, friends and family have started use Mozilla on theire PCs because they have had enough with the pop-ups.
If you like IE…fine continue to use it. But for those of us who like things to work better, will stick with Mozilla.
First off, I’d like to say congrats to OSNews for having the announcement up before other sites, even MozillaZine.
I heard about it here first last night.
And as for why people use Mozilla… Well it’s just better? For me the “performance and functionality” of Mozilla are far better than that of IE. and slick intergration into the OS?? ewwww… Why would I want my browser intergrated into the OS? I find intergration very annoying… Never have liked it!! Microsoft just likes to make people think everything intergrated into the OS is a “good thing”. When the only reason they do it is to kill the competition off by convincing the majority of users that this is the best choice.
Other than load time, Mozilla beats IE all over the place. I haven’t really noticed very many compatibility issues. That’s been a non problem for me.
And in the area of features, IE can’t touch Mozilla. I can’t remember the last time I saw a popup? and I don’t know about other people, but I can’t live without tabbed browsing!!
I’m a big fan of Opera too… But Mozilla is most definitely my primary browser.
xander said:
Other than load time, Mozilla beats IE all over the place. I haven’t really noticed very many compatibility issues. That’s been a non problem for me.
Actually I am finding that Mozilla RC 2 is loading fastern than IE now.
The only site that Mozilla has trouble with is the Microsoft web site. Even then it is still possible to navigate it. Microsoft in their infinately corrupt nature wrote IE only code for their site. From a technical standpoint, everything that is on the MS web site is just as easily done in Mozilla (actually it is done easier)…Microsoft just wants people to think that IE is the only browser that will do the job.
I’ve used ’em all but keep coming back to Opera…both on Linux and WinXP. Pheonix and Galeon are very impressive though.
Because I’m an Electrical Engineer and sift through 50pg – 1000pg .PDF files daily. These .PDF files are the manuals to the processors & Integrated Circuits (chips) I use.
IE likes to lock up and crash while reading/scrolling/printing said .pdf’s.
Mozilla does none of these things.
Tabbed .PDF files saves me a lot of time while working.
Your statements contain no specifics and no evidence to support your claims. Have you ever tried a Linux-based Distro? Which one?
“liar liar, pants on fire”
Because anyone who has atleast a tea-spoon of style would refuse to drive such ugly looking yank-tanks.
So what are we supposed to drive according to you? Because we definitely all should use the same kind of vehicle and operating system and…
My point is, it was almost appropriate for you to say that…you stupid twat…sorry, comments like that are completely unnecessary and totally piss me off…ohhh and by the way i happily drive a chevy…since it “fits into my dismal standard of living”
Dave said:
IE likes to lock up and crash while reading/scrolling/printing said .pdf’s.
I hate that..what the hell is the deal the IE likes to occasionally blow itself apart when printing a PDF anyway?
I don’t think it is an Adobe problem because every other browser is fine with it. Mind you, it doesn’t happen often, but IE is the only one that seems to really hose up my print outs (and it doesn’t limit this behavior to PDF either). I think IE just sucks when it comes to printing.
Another feature Mozilla should have is to block images based on directories as well. For example, it should allow you to block ads from http://www.xyz.com/adserver…, not just http://ads.xyz.com.
Would this be confusing to beginners, though?
IE likes to lock up and crash while reading/scrolling/printing said .pdf’s.
Yes … maybe … it crashes.
That a plugin problem and you are probably using old versions of Acrobat Reader and IE.
You can go to Acrobat reader and in Edit > Preferences > Option mark off Display in Browser.
(But as an Engineer you already know that).
Hey-
Currently I’m working at MS, and on my work machines I run IE – I HATE it! I’m forever having to find information on the net to code projects, or have multiple doc pages open (outside of VS.net) and honestly, IE makes this a _deporable chore_! I would willingly PAY for mozilla to replace IE on my machine. The main problem has been that I haven’t been able to configure firebird/mozilla to browse the microsoft intranet or work with their proxy server to pull stuff from the internet. The intranet has all kinds of crazy feature-filled websites, and carries your configuration around with you whereever you go, but denies access to my Mozilla client (possibly because of the proxy server authentication they use). Now, with this RC2 of Mozilla, maybe that will be possible (they specifically mention something about compatibility with MS proxy servers and windows authentication).
Had IE tabs, the most important feature known to web browsing, I still would ditch it in an instance for a working Mozilla browser, because the IE department seems to want to let it die and lag tremendously behind in features. I can’t even get it to stop opening the current page that I’m at when opening a new window. It always opens the same web page I was just looking at. Why would I want to do that? Maybe some people like to open the same page twice and continue browsing, but make it a toggable option! Honestly!
Long live Mozilla!!! (don’t be misled, some MS products are good – hello VS.net =)
…because IE will no longer be updated as a standalone browser. IE6 SP1 will be the last release for the existing versions of Windows. Any future update to IE will be as an update to the OS (Longhorn) itself. So if you’re happy with IE6, released in 2001, great! Just get used to it, because unless you’re planning on upgrading your OS, that’s it for you!
…oh, and because tabbed-browsing rocks!