Microsoft on Tuesday announced plans for new development tools, as the company continues to lay the groundwork for its next major database and operating system software releases.
Microsoft Prepares for Yukon, Longhorn
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watch, VS.NET ends up looking like an Xcode clone
Also, Xcode and all apple dev tools are free, unlike Visual Studio. Just thought I’d point that out
That is one big plus in Apple’s corner, professional dev tools for free. I was going to check out VS .NET but then realized I could make an extra mortgage payment instead.
If MS gave the dev tools away for free, you’d all be crying about abuse of monopoly.
no we would be crying thanks ms for giving back some of our money spent on your OS and products
No body is talking about MS giving the tools for free, but at least they should provide them at a reasonable/fair price.
And of course if they forget about that bullshit about the artificial diferentiation between learning/professional/enterprise/architect and similar rubbish, they will be doing a great service to humanity.
Ok you personally may be saying thanks, the DoJ would be saying something else entirely.
WebMatrix
WOW! Webmatrix, the POS from Microsoft that is in constant beta.
How about Microsoft do us a favour and release the blasted source code for it so that features can be added! now that WOULD be useful.
It’s usually cheaper for developers to get VS through MSDN, rather than retail channels.
And educational pricing for VS is also quite reasonable.
Yeah…the constant whinning from the Lunix trolls. If you can’t afford to buy the standard edition (90$) or Borland C# builder then use #develop . It’s free. But wait…. i thought you trolls hate IDE’s.
Could someone point out a Windows development task that you could not possibly do without visual studio?
ASP.NET = Web Matrix = FREE
.NET development in general = .NET framework/compilers = FREE
.NET Winforms development = Sharp Develop = FREE
Generic Windows development = any number of free language compilers and tools like GCC, Boost
What are you complaining about people?? If you can’t afford the tools, you have so many other choices. Just look.
to add:
generic C++ win32 development: Borland free C++ 5.5 compiler http://www.borland.com/products/downloads/download_cbuilder.html or enterprise trial educational short period.
you can encapsulate compiler to many of free text-programming editor or you can use mingw with Dev-C++ IDE on windows, all free. Some other choices of course, do a google.
a bit of OT: Visual Studio .NET 2003 version(everett) just own, is worth each invested penny and it’s actuall pricing is adequate compared to competition(uncomparable to any Borland development tool, and don’t even get me started to compare it to mediocre BC++ 6.0). One thing I hate already mentioned artificial divison on all those editition(i wouldn’t mind 2 editons but 4-5 is just too much).
back to topic: Yukon would be state-of-art database product imho, and for half or rather 40% of the oracle price.
>>back to topic: Yukon would be state-of-art database product imho, and for half or rather 40% of the oracle price.
The world is not going to stop just because MS is going to release something “new” in one-two-three-years.
There are more and more than good enough tools to do the job without having to pay to MS.
The problem with MS technologies is that for a business is a never-ending paying history.
If you plan to do something which goes beyond few users conected to a server exchanging data, you have to buy enterprise versions of everything, and several advanced server licences. Which are really expensive for most medium-small business.
If tomorrow due viruses/economic/political or other concerns you want (or need) to move to another platform, you can’t, you are locked.
So MS is locking and expensive, this is the actual perception of the market, this perception is growing more and more every day.
Oracle maybe expensive, but it runs on a variety of environments, many companies take that in consideration very seriously.
Also in the actual economic situation most companies are starting to realize that there’s little reason to pay MS for services like small databases or servers, because:
A) MS charges you too much, gives you poor flexibility when it comes to the “edition” you purchased to save money.
B) MS does not give good support, there is a lot of literature, but support cost you a lot.
C) Using OOS you do not pay for the software and can get support paying like MS does, and surprisingly some times is very good support.
[[If you plan to do something which goes beyond few users conected to a server exchanging data, you have to buy enterprise versions of everything, and several advanced server licences. Which are really expensive for most medium-small business. ]]
Are you implying that the Open Source community cannot make Enterprise class software for windows because development costs are too high? That’s news to me.
[[If you plan to do something which goes beyond few users conected to a server exchanging data, you have to buy enterprise versions of everything, and several advanced server licences. Which are really expensive for most medium-small business. ]]
Are you implying that the Open Source community cannot make Enterprise class software for windows because development costs are too high? That’s news to me.
[[If you plan to do something which goes beyond few users conected to a server exchanging data, you have to buy enterprise versions of everything, and several advanced server licences. Which are really expensive for most medium-small business. ]]
Are you implying that the Open Source community cannot make Enterprise class software for windows because development costs are too high? That’s news to me.
watch, VS.NET ends up looking like an Xcode clone
Also, Xcode and all apple dev tools are free, unlike Visual Studio. Just thought I’d point that out
MS was founded as a dev tools company. They’ve proven time and time again they are very good at reading this market. Its what made them big.
I’d honestly take a good look at XCode. You might be shocked to see that Apple copied a few things from MS!