Linux World Expo is underway, and Gentoo has announced the release of version 1.4. It’s available at the usual mirrors.
Linux World Expo is underway, and Gentoo has announced the release of version 1.4. It’s available at the usual mirrors.
Took long enough
I’ve checked several of the mirrors and cant’t find a livecd for a P4.
Can anyone comment on this?
Well, osnews.com jumped the gun, if it’s not on the front page of gentoo.org then they “probably” don’t have everything uploaded yet, or their in the process of doing it.
Either way, when people jump they gun about distro releases, confusion always comes up about if they downloaded the latest .0 release or the rc/beta.
Give it time to propagate to all the mirrors. There is most definately a directory allocated for the P4.
In regards to “jeez”, who cares about releases with gentoo anyways? A release is just the version of the install, it has no bearing whatsoever on your installed system. A simple “emerge sync” followed by “emerge world -Dup” is all thats needed for an up-to-date system. Try to do that with Red Hat or basically anything else besides debian or a *BSD.
Oh wait, I just emerged world last night. Nevermind.
If already announced, where is it and why is it not linked?
unofficial torrents can be found at: http://dev.gentoo.org/~luke-jr/torrent/gentoo-1.4/
for those interested
I’m waiting for tommarow when there will bea n official release with official update ddocumentation and official mirrors and official… Aww, forget it. I’ll just get it now!!!
Just keep checking the mirrors there not all synced yet.
http://gentoo.oregonstate.edu/releases/x86/1.4/livecd/
Right, it’s just SOOO HARD to run up2date, red-carpet, or apt on RedHat.
http://gentoo.oregonstate.edu/releases/x86/1.4/livecd/pentium4/
TripKnow said: A simple “emerge sync” followed by “emerge world -Dup” is all thats needed for an up-to-date system. Try to do that with Red Hat or basically anything else besides debian or a *BSD.
Red Hat with apt:
apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade
Red Hat with yum:
yum update
Yes, yum, apt-rpm et al are great, but that still doesn’t mean it’s advisable to attempt to upgrade between major RedHat releases using those tools alone. It’s not supported in any way whatsoever.
If this has changed in the recent past, please post a link.
Last post was me, forgot to fill in the relevant fields *again*, sorry.
You can also upgrade between releases with Pacman and ArchLinux (archlinux.org), I have done it and it works great(and it is supported) .
And I just installed 1.4-rc4 a few days ago… I knew I should have waited just a bit longer.
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[geek:~] geek% cd ~/divineports
[geek:~/divineports] kaos% sudo port install God
Password:
—> Fetching God
—> Attempting to fetch lGod-1.09.tar.gz from http://www.thecosmos.com/
—> Verifying checksum for God
—> Extracting God
—> Configuring God
—> Building God with target all
—> Installing God
[geek:~/divineports] geek% sudo port clean God
—> Cleaning God
[geek:~/divineports] geek%
wasn’t this due out at an expo about a year ago? speedy!
And I just installed 1.4-rc4 a few days ago… I knew I should have waited just a bit longer.
What’s the problem? Don’t you know how Gentoo works?
root # emerge sync
root # emerge -U world
Congrats, you just updated to 1.4final.
>Red Hat with apt:
>apt-get update
>apt-get dist-upgrade
>Red Hat with yum:
>yum update
I don’t know apt-get very well, do you mean you can do major upgrade (like 7.3 to 8, or 8 to 9) with apt-get on RedHat ???
So far, I always had to use CD to reboot on, then do the all upgrade process… and that’s why I switched to Gentoo but if you can do it now, I can at least solve my friends’ nightmare trying to upgrade.
I want to see a review now:)! You gotta love Gentoo except for the install/compiling.
I don’t know apt-get very well, do you mean you can do major upgrade (like 7.3 to 8, or 8 to 9) with apt-get on RedHat ???
To upgrade from RH 8 – RH 9
1) Make sure /etc/apt/sources.list is pointing to the RH8 apt repositories for “os”, “updates”, and “freshrpms” then do an “apt-get update” and an “apt-get dist-upgrade”.
2) Change /etc/apt/sources.list to point to RH9 repositories for “os”, “updates”, and “freshrpms” (make sure the RH8 repos are commented out). Then you should be able to just do an “apt-get update” and “apt-get dist-upgrade” and it should upgrade you to RH9.
Lastly do # apt-get install kernel
That’s it. A bit more involved than some of the others, but it can be done.
In my experience….Mandrake, SuSE, RH……upgrading RPM based distros is questionable at best….just as upgrading windows from one version to another is not nearly as good as doing a clean install. Gentoo on the other hand simpley compiles the new packages and if successful, unmerges the older ones. It then has a utility called etc-update that allows you to to go in and compare new conf files to safely merge them without destroying your settings.
Its funny how everyone gets excited about 1.4 being released, because it really is meaningless in Gentoo. They should say Gentoo 1.4 LiveCD has been released, not Gentoo 1.4 has been released. Only thing this new 1.4 disk will be good for is new installs not existing installs. A simple emerge sync && emerge -u world is all you need to do on existing installs.
While Gentoo updates *seem* to work, it seems like a little things break every time you do one. I lost camera support in one upgrade, the Nvidia drivers got hosed in another, etc. I’ve mostly given up on gentoo, especially since I’m sick of making stuff work.
I just installed Suse, and everything seems to work fairly well. I plug in my camera and it works. In gentoo, I had to install gphoto2, then re-do KDE so it’d compile camera:/ support in, then figure out hotplug so I could to it as myself and not as root. Then, next update I lost all my hotplug prefs, and had to figure those out again.
Plus, emerge –update –deep world doesn’t actually update world, unless Mozilla 1.2.1 is is current.
People have been complaining all over the place about how they just installed gentoo 1.4_rc4.. dont you guys ever pay attention to the gentoo.org newsletters? And also, like null said, all you have to do is run emerge>
Anyway, good luck to people in finding ISO images today.. I just got lucky and finally got ISO Disc1 for P4 to download and I’m on a search for disc2.
Gentoo is so cool, I don’t even have to care about the 1.4 release, because versions mean nothing. I know most of you know that already, but it looks like some people above haven’t realised that yet!
Anyway, I’ve been running Gentoo for 5 months now, and I’ve never looked back. Lovely piece of work, this is how software management should be. I probably will download the 1.4 LiveCD though, just to keep around in case my hardware goes up in smoke and I have to reinstall.
While Gentoo updates *seem* to work, it seems like a little things break every time you do one. I lost camera support in one upgrade, the Nvidia drivers got hosed in another, etc. I’ve mostly given up on gentoo, especially since I’m sick of making stuff work.
I don’t know whether to believe you or ignore you. How does and a system upgrade affect your Nvidia drivers or your gphoto settings? Did you rebuild the kernel? Did you have to upgrade your Nvidia kernel? Did an etc-update destroy your gphoto configuration settings? Honestly, I have no idea how on earth what you described could ever happen. Except, you intentionally screwed things over.
I just installed Suse, and everything seems to work fairly well. I plug in my camera and it works. In gentoo, I had to install gphoto2, then re-do KDE so it’d compile camera:/ support in, then figure out hotplug so I could to it as myself and not as root. Then, next update I lost all my hotplug prefs, and had to figure those out again.
Yeah, and who’s fault is that? Is that my fault? Or is that Gentoo’s? The USE Flags are there for a reason you know. Gentoo has always been for the advanced linux user who wants control and customization, above everything else. Might I suggest Lindows for you. You’d promptly throw your SUSE CD away after using. It basically baby sits you. By the way, how much fun is it updating your system via yast?
Plus, emerge –update –deep world doesn’t actually update world, unless Mozilla 1.2.1 is is current.
You must be smoking stones. I give up on you.
Dude, the current stable version of Mozilla in portage is 1.4, are you sure it’s Gentoo you’ve been using? When was the last time you used this supposed “Gentoo”?
Finally, people can stop bitching about Gentoo’s long installation time. Hmmm…let’s see what they are going to whine about now.
http://gentoo.oregonstate.edu/releases/x86/1.4/livecd/pentium4/
Has had the Pentium 4 disc since about 2AM this morning (currently 3:19PM).
RedHat installs kernels automatically with apt-get? Sounds nice. Do you need grub for this or is it possible with lilo also?
Since automatic hardware detection is in modern distros pretty good, I suspect that the next stage is where apt-get automatically recompiles the new kernel and optimizes it for your PC. :^)
actually, when there’s a new release candidate, or a new version released, i always prefer to do this “emerge sync && emerge –deep -u world”. but that’s just personal.
The new genkernel utility looks really nice for people, who don’t want to spend time on configuring+compiling their kernel during installation for whatever reason (unknown hardware/time).
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regarding mattpie and mystilleef…I’m a gentoo user for about 6 or so months. Maybe it’s just my luck or portage does break things some times. I’m no guru, just a little past n00b, but I can’t always fix things after a full emerge of system and world.
I love gentoo, yet I dislike the growing hostility toward people who aren’t linux experts. I’m figuring things out as time goes on cos I really like the ideas behind the distro…but c’mon, Portage isn’t perfect <yet!>
foo out
i can’t wait to see that.
Hmm, it looks like I might have to get a buddy with high speed to download gentoo for me. If this portage works as nice as FreeBSD’s ports well then that with Linux’s hardware support, why I’d be in heaven….
Jared.
Anonymous wrote: Yes, yum, apt-rpm et al are great, but that still doesn’t mean it’s advisable to attempt to upgrade between major RedHat releases using those tools alone. It’s not supported in any way whatsoever.
If this has changed in the recent past, please post a link.[i]
You’re right, it’s not officially supported, but it can be done.
Ikshaar Ikshaar wrote:
[i]I don’t know apt-get very well, do you mean you can do major upgrade (like 7.3 to 8, or 8 to 9) with apt-get on RedHat ???
Yes, but it’s not as simple as the example I gave, and it’s easier to do with yum. The good news is that apt and yum can coexist.
So far, I always had to use CD to reboot on, then do the all upgrade process… and that’s why I switched to Gentoo but if you can do it now, I can at least solve my friends’ nightmare trying to upgrade
That is still the official way to do it if you’d rather do it that way. That still isn’t hard and is a lot faster than compiling everything for a day.
Oops, sorry about the formatting. OSNews really needs a preview feature
Anonymous wrote: Yes, yum, apt-rpm et al are great, but that still doesn’t mean it’s advisable to attempt to upgrade between major RedHat releases using those tools alone. It’s not supported in any way whatsoever.
If this has changed in the recent past, please post a link.
You’re right, it’s not officially supported, but it can be done.
Ikshaar Ikshaar wrote:
I don’t know apt-get very well, do you mean you can do major upgrade (like 7.3 to 8, or 8 to 9) with apt-get on RedHat ???
Yes, but it’s not as simple as the example I gave, and it’s easier to do with yum. The good news is that apt and yum can coexist.
So far, I always had to use CD to reboot on, then do the all upgrade process… and that’s why I switched to Gentoo but if you can do it now, I can at least solve my friends’ nightmare trying to upgrade
That is still the official way to do it if you’d rather do it that way. That still isn’t hard and is a lot faster than compiling everything for a day.
Actually, there was an upgrade a while ago that could have made the NVidia driver stop working. NVidia changed the name of the driver from “NVdriver” to just “nvidia” It caught a lot of people off-guard.
You may want to look at ArchLinux (archlinux.org). It has a ports like system (along with an APT-like system) and IMO, the community is very friendly.
Most of our users are Gentoo switchers, because they like ability to either use a binary or build using ABS (our ports system).
That, and the install is much easier, its more like Slackwares (if you are familiar with that).
As if “official support” matters. It’s not as if Gentoo or Debian is going to give you any real support anyways if something goes wrong.
-Erwos
tomkins :
>That is still the official way to do it if you’d rather do >it that way. That still isn’t hard and is a lot faster than >compiling everything for a day.
Obviously you don’t have to administrate 15 nodes in a cluster without CD drives !!! The point of a good server is that you don’t have to be in the same room to administer it correctly. Upgrades included.
I put RedHat on PC for Linux beginners (and it’s good), and Gentoo on my servers and for advanced users. There is room for several distros in this world
Actually, I like Gentoo for home user, but if i had to install it on several work machines that would be hell. I mean going through the bootstrapping on each of those? and everytime you want to install something new, you need to compile it? it’s just too much time-consuming for corporate use. or maybe it’s just me that doesnt know the work around?
Ikshaar wrote: Obviously you don’t have to administrate 15 nodes in a cluster without CD drives !!! The point of a good server is that you don’t have to be in the same room to administer it correctly. Upgrades included.
No, I don’t. But if I did, I’d use apt or yum. How do you do it with Gentoo? Do you build on each machine, or is there a way to do it with just one build machine? Building on each machine would seem like a horrible waste of resources.
“I mean going through the bootstrapping on each of those? ”
This is not Windows. Just copy your working system onto as many machines as you like. Compile for a generic target like i586 if you have a number of different processors. Edit fstab to tast… Done.
As far as compiling…. You can download rpms and pre-compiled apps if you like. There are also pre-compiled GRP binary packages for portage, which saves a lot of time. You can create your own binary packages too.
Saying all that, it’s not really a corporate distro (whatever that is
, unless you are looking at server farm or number crunching work. Suse would be better suited IMHO.
cheezwog: yeah but still, you have to copy a full system on a X number of nodes everytime you want to update it, instead of updating only a few packages.
that’s why i like linux, depending on what you need to do, there’s a distro out there that’s perfect for almost any situation. But at home, Gentoo is the best IMHO.
If you have a cluster of servers, cant you use distcc to speed up compile times?
I’ll give that to RH from one perspective. KICKSTART!
I install Solaris on box’s all the time. If it wasn’t for Jumpstart & Flash, I would never get anything done. RH has kickstart which would aid in installing multiple systems and a fast pace.
I like Gentoo, RH & most Linux distro’s, they all have advantages in some way or another.
Just no SCO Linux
The images for the PowerPC have a “grp” in their name. Does anybody know what it means ?
distcc and ccache as well.
I know I use them
isnt it limited to 8 nodes only? i believe i read that on the offical webpage. doest make a really big cluster…
but at home, geez i enjoy distcc, it makes compiling so much faster. especially on this old P2 file server i have.
cheezwog: yeah but still, you have to copy a full system on a X number of nodes everytime you want to update it, instead of updating only a few packages.
Nonsense. On one box, NFS export /usr/portage, emerge sync, and emerge –buildpkg; on the rest, NFS mount /usr/portage and emerge –usepkg.
Instead of everyone trying to grab the files from the mirrors today, why not wait until next week ? I’m sure most mirrors will then have the ISOs and we’ll all be happy 🙂
I once used to run Linux. Gentoo was one of my experimental distributions on my desktop pc. I thought emerge was intelligent and well-designed. Well, it is. Better than rpm and possibly apt.
FreeBSD has had all these features in many years. You choose between either compiling your packages from a daily updated cvsup-tree or using the binaries. FreeBSD is quite easy to install, and it’s stable as a rock. Good performance and a nice system for professional Unix-workstations on Intel hardware and servers for everything.
No experimental kernels, no testing drivers, no shit. Fast bootup-times, a nice text-ui for configuring the system.
Now, go fetch FreeBSD. If you are “impressed” by the Gentoo portage-system, go play with FreeBSD. It has been around since 386BSD in the early 90’ies.
Just my two cents on operating systems.
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Anders
Can I choose my compile time options with apt-get like I can with Gentoo?
>Now, go fetch FreeBSD. If you are “impressed” by the Gentoo
>portage-system, go play with FreeBSD. It has been around
>since 386BSD in the early 90’ies.
Yeah, I will. I’m running Gentoo, it is a real killer distro, but FreeBSD seems to be even better on some aspects. Gonna give it a try.
“As if “official support” matters. It’s not as if Gentoo or Debian is going to give you any real support anyways if something goes wrong.”
I think you misunderstood. By “officially supported” I simply meant that the distro itself says “yes, that’s the way to do it” as opposed to having to resort to 3rd-party utilities and packages. And yes, both Debian and Gentoo will try to help you out should the upgrade fail. Debian’s likely to have a better track record in this area, though, because unlike Gentoo they don’t have to support every CFLAG combination under the sun.
Tomkins: Building on each machine would seem like a horrible waste of resources.
As mentioned before, NFS share of /usr/portage… and that’s it.
For kernel upgrade, I recompile them all separately but doing it on all at the same time take as much time as on one. As I need them all on at same time for computation, having them all stopped for upgrade together is not wasting anytime. Besides, my initial point was about major kernel upgrade, where going to the server room to connect cd-rom and display on each cluster one by one would be way more time consuming…
> The images for the PowerPC have a “grp” in their name. Does
> anybody know what it means ?
Gentoo Reference Platform…just what they would consider “standard” for an installation…I believe it comes with precompiled binaries for most major packages…
“By the way, how much fun is it updating your system via yast?”
I am not the one you have been replying to, but it’s OK, you know… 😉
both look very interesting but I’m gonna work on trying to master Gentoo first
LOL.
I wonder how long it’ll take for 1.5 to come out!
It would be nice if OS News did a 1.4 review as a follow up to the old review it did a while ago. The old one was very helpful and an update might be helpful for others considering migrating to Gentoo.