FYI, I came across this message today:
All,
OpenOffice.org 1.1 RC3 is ready for download. It incorporates some bugfixes and significantly advances the development of the Mac OS X port. OpenOffice.org 1.1 RC3 is the first version to support building out of the box on Mac OS X.
OpenOffice.org 1.1 RC3 is functionally equivalent to the final version, which is coming soon. What we want you to do is download this and try to find the bugs. That is important. We need people to run this under all sorts of circumstances.
Download from here
When will OpenOffice remember what view I used last time I used it? I mean that is a pretty basic customization for an Office Suite. This problem is most glaring in Writer.
Before I get the standard Open Source mantra of “when you do it yourself you lazy fuck,” I have reported it as a bug, and it was labelled “WONTFIX” by a developer.
I don’t see it. I see 1.0.3 that requires X11, but I don’t see a native OSX version of 1.1 RC3. Can someone provide a direct link?
Hopefully the native aqua port is next!
This is great news for me and my iBook. Well, except for this…
OpenOffice.org 1.0.3 MacOS X (X11) | 173 MB
OpenOffice.org 1.1 RC3 Application | 62.4 MB
So where is version 1.1RC3 for the Mac? Is it still 3 times the size of the Windows version?
OS NEWS botched the headline, it should read that OpenOffice.org 1.1 RC3 will now build (compile) native on a Mac OS box.
This is big news as now a single code base can be used for development and the OS X port will always be up2date.
1.1 rocks it looks and feels integrated, its more usable, everything about it is far better!
Also, the first annonymous poster, why are are you even posting this here? This isn’t a bug reporting forum, don’t waste your time posting this here. Post it where it amtters, in OO.org’s bugzilla., that is if you actually want it fixed.
is taht you should reopen the wontfix bug.
You don’t think this is an important productivity bug? I think its a great example of how using Open Source software is cheaper up front, but you pay for it in wasted time / productivity later.
Quoth Bevis: “OS NEWS botched the headline, it should read that OpenOffice.org 1.1 RC3 will now build (compile) native on a Mac OS box.”
Does this mean I can download it, (put on my depends), compile it, and run it under AQUA? Or will I still have to use X Windows?
And if it is Aqua native, why a file you have to compile? Why not a nice, well behaved .tar.gz and let Aladdin unstuff, unzip, and give me a nice little icon to make with the clicky?
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And if it is Aqua native, why a file you have to compile? Why not a nice, well behaved .tar.gz and let Aladdin unstuff, unzip, and give me a nice little icon to make with the clicky?
Um, usability for is end-lusers. I enjoy making things more difficult for people like you so you can struggle.
==Snort!==
Reminds me of the time my grandma told me that cars were simpler and better back in the old days. Why, all you had to do in the winter (and we’re talking northern montana) was build a little fire under the engine compartment and in about 10-15 minutes the engine would be warm enough to start.
Personally, I think that turning the key and letting the fuel injector take care of the rest is much simpler and better.
Great — but not usable until I can copy and paste betwixt Aqua apps and X11 apps… =(
This is not an aqua build. There is a very beta build of an aqua version AND a native Java build at trinity.neooffice.org
That’s typical Sun’s approach. “Your JDK 1.4.2 is running 3 times slower than 1.3.1” – “Won’t fix – too late”.
Please read the post! He did!
Don’t expect a native port using native widgets because OpenOffice uses its own, home grown widget set. What is going to be done, IIRC, is porting it from X11 => Quartz.
What *may* possibly happen is once the L&F enhancements have been merged in from Ximian, hopefully there will be a move to make it more Aqua-ish, however, IMHO, they should hold off on that until 10.3 so that it doesn’t look weird for those who will upgrade (such as myself).
I’ve yet to see a really good way to copy and paste between Aqua and X.
There’s a typical *nix half baked copy and paste function that came with the copy of Office Applications for OS X I bought from BSD Mall, but, get this … it only works with some of the applications and even the applications it, in theory, works with, actually getting something to C & P is very hit or miss.
At this rate, I just may say to hell with it and actually permit a piece of Microsoft code to to taint my G4’s harddrive since nobody else can come up with a Mac Word Processor that isn’t severely crippled in some way.
Appleworks doesn’t play well on Windows, Think Free loses the editing functions if I copy and paste from an email into it, Abi Word can’t print or take a C&P between windowing systems, and I can’t consistently C&P in and out of OO between windowing systems.
I would happily pay $50 to $60 for either an Aqua native version of Star Office or Open Office.
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I would happily pay $50 to $60 for either an Aqua native version of Star Office or Open Office.
Yup, so would I! But it better be a native port.
Have you tried going to: “/Applications/OpenOffice.org1.0.1/user/config/” (or equivalent old version path) and pulled out your settings file?
Alternatively, you could set OpenOffice up to store your settings in a directory of your choice when you first install a new version. To do this go to “Tools | Options | OpenOffice.org | Paths | xxx” where xxx is the path to change, such as “My Documents” going to “~/Documents/” or “User Configuration” going to “~/Library/OpenOffice.org/”. Then when you upgrade to the next OpenOffice version, you simply tell the new version of OpenOffice the path to your settings, where it should find the old files.
I know it’s a pain in the rear. Perhaps our feedback will allow unix folk to use a “~/.ooo” file of some sort to store a user’s personal defaults, if present. If not present, a “~/.ooo” file will be created with the default values. Alternatively, we OS X users would prefer something located in “~/Library/OpenOffice.org/” to be used…
Anyway, I hope the above suggestion helps.
PS – I was able to copy from OpenOffice’s preference panels and paste directly into Safari using only Cmd-C and Cmd-V. I am using Apple’s X11 (beta 3).
-Karrick
I would happily pay $50 to $60 for either an Aqua native version of Star Office or Open Office.
Same here, but maybe iWorks will do the same job for us
Yeah, that would be nice, doing the herculean task of separating the UI from the rest of the app and replacing it with Aqua…
I downloaded this on Wed. and installed it on two different systems. Let me tell what my first impression was of 1.1. They could have made it 1.5, or even 2.1.
It is absolutley amazing! It loads SO much quicker! The M$ filters are better, and (this just may be my imagination, but..) it looks better, a LOT better.
Congratulations to the OOo team for a great release!
and to not mislead the masses, those installs were Linux installs. Perhaps I should have clarified that, but I was referring to the OOo 1.1 in general.
Cheers!
… works fine on my installastion. I may cut and paste from Openoffice and paste into Safari and Messenger. I have got version 1.0b8. You have to copy (in OOO) with ctrl-c and paste (in Aqua) with apple-v. I love the openoffice initiative. Keep up the good work!
OpenOffice.org 1.02 Writer starts in 13 seconds in my SuSE Linux 8.2 box, but OpenOffice.org 1.1 RC3 Writer takes just 4 seconds to launch. A huge improvement! Great job!
Iam using my 2 GHz, 256 MB RAM laptop for every day work. Iam use WXP HOME, as basic system interface, but aplication are ussualy from Open Source world. I am use very good OO 1.1 as substition for MS OFFICE. I am use Mozilla for secure WWW browsing. In some minor case i still need IE, due to Mozilla dont know to emulate some stupid function used by webmaster on some stupid websites. The future for me is: Use MS system for system interface and Open Source application with open source data structure for daily work.
> The future for me is: Use MS system for system interface and Open
> Source application with open source data structure for daily work.
Although this is a situation that may not suit everyone, it’s a healthy compromise between an all OSS system and a fully commercial one. By downloading little over 100MB of software Windows users can protect themselves against a large number of virusses, worms. etc (Mozilla) and save hundreds of dollars on an office suite (OpenOffice). Of course, these only touch the surface.
Stories like Martins allow a good way for OSS to get critical mass (if it hasn’t already
by allowing the code to be tested without changing OS.
hopefully a OS X native port will come out,,,,,I would pay for it. I’m thinking of getting the student version of ms office,,,,,,,,,but still thining.
Every OS has their own OpenOffice… Except BeOS!
It ain’t fair…
you can copy & paste between X and Aqua. its a bit awkward, but its there.
to copy from aqua to x, select your text and do the apple+c combo. then go to your x window and “middle-click” or do option+click on a single button mouse.
to go from x to aqua, highlight you text, its just like a normal copy paste. apple+c then apple+v.
if you already knew this, sorry. i just get a lot of questions from people who dont know this.
Also AbiWord 2.0 is well worth waiting for. They’ve made huge progress in the past couple of months. AbiWord is fast and it doesn’t hog all the system resources.
A screenshot will be nice if someone could please post. Also is there any way to get a binary of this instead of having to build this?
Here is NeoOffice (The experimental builds of OO.o) running on Mac OS X, in pure Java (No X11 needed).
http://homepage.mac.com/zizban/neooffice.gif
Check this native aqua WP:
http://www.marinersoftware.com/
http://www.redlers.com/index.html
and although right now the page is down check it out later
http://www.nisus.com/
I agree. I don’t see the Mac OS X / X11 download version of OpenOffice. According to the headline it is supposed to be there.
Come on Apple. Throw some money at this project. We NEED OOo on the Mac!!!
You might also want to check http://www.rom-logicware.com for papyrus, an Office App for Win and MacOSX.
“You don’t think this is an important productivity bug? I think its a great example of how using Open Source software is cheaper up front, but you pay for it in wasted time / productivity later.”
Well, I’m not a huge fan of open source software for similar reasons. But I have to admit that OpenOffice is a good example of how open source should work. They have been extremely responsive when I have filed bug reports.
Example, I filed a bug report with OpenOffice and I got a response in only a couple of days.
“Come on Apple. Throw some money at this project. We NEED OOo on the Mac!!!”
Apple won’t do that for one main reason. Microsoft has already threated to drop MS Office for Mac. That would be devistating to Apple, particularily in their education market. (They won’t be able to interest many University computer labs in Mac if they can’t get MS Office for it.)
If Apple were to fund OpenOffice, they would probably incur the wrath of Bill Gates. They can’t afford to do that right now.
“Apple won’t do that for one main reason. Microsoft has already threated to drop MS Office for Mac. That would be devistating to Apple, particularily in their education market. (They won’t be able to interest many University computer labs in Mac if they can’t get MS Office for it.) ”
That would seem to run counter to the rumors that the aging AppleWorks is going to be retired, and replaced with an OS X -only office suite that would directly compete with Office X. I think Apple cant affford not to develop and release such a product. Living under a sword of Damocles held by Bill Gates is unacceptable, and corporate suicide. Apple needs to develop a product compatible with but superior to Office, and release it ASAP. Screw Gates. I cant wait for the day when I can delete my copy of Office and replace it with something from Apple.
“That would seem to run counter to the rumors that the aging AppleWorks is going to be retired, and replaced with an OS X -only office suite that would directly compete with Office X.”
Yes. But right now, that’s all it is. A rumor. Apple hasn’t comfirmed that they are actually working on such a suite.
Apple would have to produce something that was 100% MS Office compatible for this to be a viable solution. And that is a lofty goal.
I agree that if Apple wants to say goodbye to MS, that they should support the OpenOffice project. OpenOffice’s MS Office compatibility is not perfect, but it is better than any other office suite out there. And since OpenOffice is probably the only suite that has a real chance of being a serious competitor to MS Office, Apple would do well to support it. But right now, they can’t. They might need to wait until OpenOffice has serious marketshare where Apple can say “Screw it. We don’t need MS anymore because their file formats aren’t the industry standard anymore.”
It will take time for them to make a fully native port. Anyway, since Microsoft has said that they will stop the Office/Word dev this is good news for Mac Users.
It even seems to support Japanese properly on the Mac, wich the X11 doesn’t (but the Java one is still a very early release).
http://www.planamesa.com/neojava/en/