Amiga.org has interviewed Ben Hermans of Hyperion Entertainment. Hyperion is responsible for the upcoming release of the new Amiga Operating system, AmigaOS4.Update: The 18th Q&A session with Amiga CTO Fleecy Moss is now available at the AmigaWorld.net portal.
when????? cuando ??????? We are still waiting!
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im sorry, as an amigan who has been following the progress of os4 for the past 3 years, i think i can safely say realease it already!! and no one will argue with me. right now i dont think anyone waiting for it will care if its a beta or an alpha, we just want something to play with. might as well seed it. who knows, maybe we can help. sorry, ive just been waiting a long time…
And Zeta, too!
As nazo said before, all we want is sth to play, seems those guys did´t get it.. or they can´t release because of a business plan or sth like that. And talking about business, Im still wondering why did the old and proud Amiga failed, it has a great OS,great HW, it was great for its time! Why can´t we have a nice piece of software with all those HW we got today? I think the only paid OS that fits into that box is QNX.
“”im sorry, as an amigan who has been following the progress of os4 for the past 3 years””
How did you manage that when Aos4 has been in development for only 2 years.
“Responcible” and “upcomming”? Spell-check and then mod me away…
“right now i dont think anyone waiting for it will
care if its a beta or an alpha, we just want
something to play with.”
I’m sorry, nazo, but I disagree. As a software developer
(not on AmigOS!) I’m very happy to see that Hyperion are
taking the job of developing AmigaOS seriously. A
premature release could be very damaging. I want the OS
to be as solid as possible so that when I start writing
software on it I’ll know that the bugs are mine and I’ll
not have to waste my time finding workarounds for bugs
in the OS.
I have worked on projects that were rushed. It becomes a
big problem when all the bugs start popping up and an
even bigger problem when you then have to support some
broken feature/file format/API/whatever because customers
are using it.
An OS, of all things, should not be rushed.
> How did you manage that when Aos4 has been in
> development for only 2 years.
Wait, on June 11, 2001 Amiga Inc.’s leader Bill McEwen said it was to be released that summer: “AmigaOS 4.0, and shortly thereafter AmigaOS 4.2 on schedule for release Summer of ’01 and will offer the next generation of Amiga desktop – on PPC!”
This corporate announcement was posted on amiga.com but was pulled down for some reason. Last time I looked the announcements before and after it were in place, but this one was pulled down. You can still see it via the Wayback Machine:
http://web.archive.org/web/20011006160343/www.amiga.com/corporate/a…
The point I was making is that it can’t really have been in development for only two years when Bill was announcing it to be on schedule more than two years ago. There’s another announcement that puts it back even further: “April 12th, 2002 Greetings to the Amiga community, A week ago we shared with you our joy as we move towards the rebirth of the Amiga desktop platform. The AmigaOne and AmigaOS4 are projects that have occupied almost every day of our lives for the last two years. For the community, the wait and the false dawns have been unbearable.” That one’s still up:
http://os.amiga.com/corporate/041202-mcewen.shtml
> This corporate announcement was posted on amiga.com but
> was pulled down for some reason.
The reason is simple, it’s obsolete and confusing information. The AmigaOne/1200 PPC was a totally different product under developement by *Escena* and eventually got cancelled.
Similarly the AmigaOS4.0 product planned to be released under the management of *Haage&Partner* back then wasn’t much more than an emulated AmigaOS3.9 product running on PPC hardware, similar to i.e. the Amithlon emulator on x86.
However the current AmigaOS4.0 being developed under the management of *Hyperion* has many new features, will not be dependent on AGA hardware anymore and will be almost entirely running PPC natively.
The current AmigaOne hardware is designed by *Mai Logic*, a much bigger and by far more resourceful company than Escena was.
So there you have it, two projects *changed* into two different far more advanced projects. I am sure you already knew this Daniel, but certain people seem to want to run around in circles all of the time.
@Mike
Nazo said he had been following it for three years and then Alkemyst said his thing to challenge nazo, and that was what I responded to. The truth is I’m sure nazo has been following OS4 for three years just like he says. Your position that this OS4 is not *that* OS4 and this Amiga One is not *that* Amiga One is… well, whatever. I wasn’t really breaking them out that way, no matter if you think I’m intentionally running in circles or not.
But it’s really Bill McEwen you should be arguing with, since he says OS4 has occupied each day of his life since April 12th, 2000 (quoted above) and he doesn’t make the distinction between OS4s you make. He evidently lumps them both together, like I did.
It was a nice interview though. Ben is good at these interviews.
@ Daniel
> But it’s really Bill McEwen you should be arguing with,
> since he says OS4 has occupied each day of his life
> since April 12th, 2000 (quoted above) and he doesn’t
> make the distinction between OS4s you make. He evidently
> lumps them both together, like I did.
I think it was correct of Bill to “lump” both OS4 projects together into one for his statement, as without the original AmigaOS4 intentions and project initiation the current AOS4 project under leadership of Hyperion may not have existed (And IMO it does not make sense to call the current project AmigaOS4.5 or something, without having the prior project completed).
However IMO your selected quotes presented a too distorted picture of reality. At the time Jürgen Haage (of H&P) was confident that they would make this project come to fruition. At least this is what he told me over dinner (23rd of June 2001). Amiga Inc recycled this information for their PR and needless to say the timelines became obsolete when H&P cancelled their involvement at the time and also when the original plans were significantly altered.
You’re giving off speculation, and coming to conclusions, when nobody at Amiga, Inc has said such. Can you please can the wild speculations about AmigaOS 4 and let the developers tell it themselves?
@ Nate
> Can you please can the wild speculations about AmigaOS 4
> and let the developers tell it themselves?
This information has been stated in various interviews and also by Hyperion developers on public forums already.
It’s no secret that the old timelines are obsolete, that H&P (developing the emulator at the time) cancelled their involvement at the time and that the AmigaOne/1200 project was cancelled by Escena.
Why do you always respond *AFTER* a thread has “dropped off the radar” so you can get the last word. I’ve found you do this quite often.
I responded when the thread was still on the frontpage.
Instead of doing your best to make yourself look stupid by making paranoid accusations, just do some simple checking first.
Mike Bouma : Posted on 2003-09-02 04:58:53
Eugenia’s news submission which moved this topic off the frontpage: Posted on 2003-09-02 10:47:56
That’s roughly 6 hours in between.
And Mr. Downes, what sense would it make to respond to topics off the frontpage? You act as if most people read yesterday’s news?
You did it again Mike.