Home > Mac OS X > Mac OS X 10.2.8 Update Pulled Mac OS X 10.2.8 Update Pulled Eugenia Loli 2003-09-24 Mac OS X 44 Comments Mac OS X 10.2.8 apparently pulled Mac OS X 10.2.8 has disappeared from Apple’s Web Servers, and is no longer available via the automatic Software Update function. The update created a number of problems to some users. About The Author Eugenia Loli Ex-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker. Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli 44 Comments 2003-09-24 1:31 am I Got it on my powerbook. I have had no problems what so ever so far. Just for comparisions for the others. I have a Ti 400mhz powerbook. If anything it seemed to speed up boot up and make overall feel a bit more zippy. No problems at all with this. Hope they rerelease it. Just in case or better yet let panther out to prowl 2003-09-24 1:37 am It feels like I’ve been infected with Meningococcal or HIV!!!! I don’t want to have to reinstall OSX!!! 2003-09-24 1:40 am Everything is fine. The little extra speed is nice. 2003-09-24 1:43 am I Got it on my powerbook. I have had no problems what so ever so far. Just for comparisions for the others. I have a Ti 400mhz powerbook. If anything it seemed to speed up boot up and make overall feel a bit more zippy. No problems at all with this. Hope they rerelease it. Just in case or better yet let panther out to prowl Same. 1ghz TiBook, no problems so far, and I agree it feels a bit zippier. 2003-09-24 1:48 am This is a blessing to my 600mhz iBook. Glad I got it before it got pulled. Thanks osnews for alerting me this morning. 2003-09-24 1:51 am I upgraded mine 10.2.6 today in the morning. Everything ran smooth except Transparent Dock. After the upgrade my Dock lost transparency so I set it again. Unfortunately this caused Dock to crash. I needed to reset Dock from backup. Now I can set background transparency but I cannot switch off the white border around the Dock. Otherwise it crashes. Except that everything runs perfect. 2003-09-24 2:11 am It seems the majority of problems were related to ethernet issues with some powermacs. This article has more info: http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/09/23/1028pulled/index.php… As for me, the update worked fine on my iBook, networking at all, and none of my Mac user friends have had any problems either. YMMV I guess. 2003-09-24 2:15 am Mine got zipper, but something things started to fall apart. Sound stopped working for a bit, and I lost internet connection for a while, but everything seems back to normal again. 2003-09-24 2:56 am I’m glad they pulled it if there are problems. I think this is a good example of the extra quality that you pay for. If there is something wrong, there is no pussyfooting around, it will be fixed or you won’t be using it. 2003-09-24 3:00 am no problems on my FW800 but had some strange problems on my G3 PowerBook. Hope they fix it soon. No problems so far on my G4 at work and a test iMac system that I upgraded. 2003-09-24 3:20 am on my 700 mhz ibook. Noticeable improvements launching apps. Unfortunately, I didn’t get to try it on my hacked 7600. It needs all the speed it can get. 2003-09-24 3:31 am I had some trouble with my External modem being senced, the computer kept telling me it was not attached, even thought the driver was installed, and it was plugged in. Just had to chang any setting and save it. That fixed my problem. Speed seems to be no better, and I don’t want my computer to blow up! I HAVE NOT EVEN TRIED SOUND! OH GOSH! 2003-09-24 3:33 am TSIA … no problems. Also installed into an 800MHz eMac at work. Again, no problems. I’m using 802.11G on the book, fast ethernet on the eMac. 2003-09-24 4:01 am if this had been MS, you would have been crazed out by now. What you feel so good about now is flawed — only you don’t know yet because not everything shows after 5 minutes browsing Osnews with Safari… 2003-09-24 4:04 am At work we run an OS X Server with a Sonnet Tempo ATA133 card (and the large drive support firmware). Anyhow the update died (99% and then the beachball of death). Since the install died and force quit did nothing I was forced to reboot. When I did my 250gig mirrored pair was gone… So while trying not to freak out… I re-downloaded the update combo from Apple’s website and it re-installed fine but after another reboot still no raid drive. I end up going into Disk Utility and it can’t find any drive from the Sonnet card as well. So I go to “About This Mac” > “More Info…” and then to the “Device and Volumes” tab and get not a single PCI device showing which is odd cause you can usually plug some PC PCI devices in and they can usually be found. Another friend said his PCI Intel NIC no longer worked after he installed this update. All I heard was ethernet… ethernet… ethernet. So I figured the update was safe for me. I also only did the update since the OpenSSH vunerability. In which I now hear BSD does not have issues with or that could be just the new OpenSSH-3.7.1p2-1. Either way it sucks. I have a feeling these problems are related strictly to specific PCI buses on specific G4 towers, pre-QuickSilver. Just my opinion. Since this is a somewhat critical box I have no choice but to re-install in the morning. Life sucks then you “switch” back. Sorry for the grammer errors but hey I’m a Mac user what do you expect. – 2003-09-24 4:30 am I updated my iBook before they yanked it, off hand I would say my iBook is 20 – 30% faster! The Finder feels faster, MS Office launches almost instantly, everything feels must more fluid. And this is on a iBook 500 with the 66MHz bus and 256MB RAM. I guess I’ll have to wait to update my PowerMac G4. 2003-09-24 4:36 am Well, I get to report another problem that probably no one else in the whole Mac OS X using world has and it was caused by this update: The file associations for some of our OS 9 programs suddenly vanished. When double clicking on a Claris document, for example, OS X says “There is no program associated with this file” or whatever the exact wording is. This must be the enhanced Classic support… I’m glad Apple fessed up to the update having problems, but I know it’s not the problem I’m complaining about. If it were the kinds of problems I suffer, there would be no revokation. If it were the problems that I suffer constantly, the whole 10.0 through 10.2 product would have been pulled. This is so much fun, isn’t it everybody? Happy skippy whee whee! And for you mindless MS bashers, MS themselves have pulled updates for problems, too. Don’t get all kooky with this whole “Brave Truthful and Wise Apple” crap. 2003-09-24 4:41 am My dual G4 500 Mg Hz Mac was upgraded from 10.2.6 to 10.28 and it lost the ability to connect to my local network as well as to my cable modem. After a clean reinstallation of 10.2.0 and then upgrading to 10.2.8, the problem remained. I then did a clean install of 10.2.0 and upgraded to 10.2.6 inorder to restore connectivity with ethernet. I had no problems ugrading to 10.2.8 on my 768 Mg Hz Titanium G4 laptop. 2003-09-24 4:59 am After every MacOSX update, we hear that its 10-30% faster. 30% of slow-as-snail is still slow. 2003-09-24 5:00 am interesting… it ran fine on my dual 500… i am now believing that these problems are on a case by case basis… i dunno, maybe u were just unlucky? maye i was just lucky? o well, it ran fine on mine, no problems so far, and it got speedier so i cant complain… 2003-09-24 5:02 am I was one of the unlyckies 🙁 The upgrade upgrade’s the gigabit ethernet driver and the new driver does not work properly and stucks the ethernet card in gigabit mode, henec when connected to adsl modem the modem is invisible (it only speaks in 10 Mbits). I followed some instruction to downgrade only the drivers and my machine is cleanly working now … — http://perso.hirlimann.net/~ludo/blog/ 2003-09-24 5:15 am Hey! After the update my PowerBook 12 has an 8+ hour battery! How amazing! ??? Apparently the Power Management changes included in the 10.2.8 update create interesting battery life calculations. (Am I using a Pentium now? Hehe…). How much battery life do I really have? I won’t know until my system forces a sleep or Apple realeases the revised update. Better go drop a line at the Apple Forums to let them know about this topic… Karrick 2003-09-24 6:01 am I was one of the unlyckies 🙁 The upgrade upgrade’s the gigabit ethernet driver and the new driver does not work properly and stucks the ethernet card in gigabit mode, henec when connected to adsl modem the modem is invisible (it only speaks in 10 Mbits). I followed some instruction to downgrade only the drivers and my machine is cleanly working now … Well, atleast Apple was willing to remove it. Compare that to Microsoft when it released Windows XP SP1 and the number of people who found that their legitimate copy was classed as a “blacked listed” version, or devices simply stop working. One thing I am surprised about is why Apple didn’t pick it up during the testing phase, I mean, heck, it isn’t as though the loss of ethernet connectivity is an easy thing to overlook. I’ve downloaded and installed the 10.2.8 update and found everything works nicely and I have found that some carbon applications load a bit quick, such as, Corel Painter 8, and the software that makes up Core Graphics Suite 11. 2003-09-24 6:47 am Actually I am very upset with Apple. Microsoft has the excuse of not being able to test all the different combinations of hardware that can be installed on a PC. My dual 867 Mhz crashed after the update. However, after rebooting and having system check its file system for a long period it works! Other than that, the browser/gui seems faster. 2003-09-24 9:13 am Maybe, you should get an Athlon. Personally I’m a OS X freak thru and thru, but if I had’ve had that many problems I would have given up and “Switched”. Nice to see some.. ah, dedication… to the OS X cause. -Jim 2003-09-24 9:38 am My wife and I both upgraded to 10.2.8 without any problems at all. Both of our iMacs were upgraded the night before last, and have run without a hitch since then. To all the folks that say there system is running faster, all I can say is our iMacs don’t appear to be any faster than before. I can’t wait for Panther though! 😉 2003-09-24 10:20 am Could be that Apple has bad beta testers that just download and do not report problems as the hardware is limited in variation. 2003-09-24 12:19 pm Looks like “advanced” server administration. I think that this is the punishment for stupidity: who the hell is upgrading server without testing and reading news about possible issues? I belive that Apple provide security patches separately too, so one should be able to secure OS without upgrading whole system. If this is impossible then this is worse than MS. According to this place there are security issues other than ssh and sendmail: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61798 2003-09-24 1:31 pm I installed it on my powerbook and I have been having problems with it ever since. I feel like I’m running wind 95 of some crap. The dame powerbook keeps restarting and stalling on me. I hope that they fix the dam update to something. Its times like this that make me happy for having a PC labtop to use when Mac dicks there users with crap updates like this one. Well at least Yellowdog still works fine on the powerbook so I can still use the hardware at least. 2003-09-24 2:09 pm Thanks you sound really, really smart. Get me your resume and I’ll get my company to hire you. Whats that? No prior experience?!? Ahh I see, so you just pretend to be smart. The fact is the Software Update opened itself and I clicked “Install”. There was and still is nothing saying that this update wouldn’t work for me. I have to this minute still not seen any documentation referring to anyone else having problems with a ATA133 card or an ATA card in general. I am willing to admit to my mistake but till you get in the “real world” Mr. dot-edu, don’t go off on anyone. If this were the only server OS I managed by myself I couldn’t agree more with doing the research, but fact is it isn’t. BTW the other information you don’t know is that this server was just installed two days ago and was configured just before the update. The server is pretty critical only because we have been waiting for all the parts to come in for over a month. Since our other, old server raid took a dump (The $1500 raid card died and my company asked for other options). As for security and separate patches again you don’t know all the variables because this is an internal facing server so it really didn’t matter enough to patch separately. I use SSH to manage the servers so it’s nice to have the consistency between servers. Not that it is any different, it just ends up being less to think about. So when it comes down to it every other update I have ever used from Apple has worked flawlessly. Apple ended up building a trust with their customers and now they lost that trust. I won’t be updating carelessly again. I will now treat Apple’s updates like Microsoft’s updates. I have time to reinstall yes, but it would be nice to warn other people about these issues. Which is all I was trying to do. So genius before you know all the variables don’t go off on anyone. All you have to do is sleep through class and flame people out of boredom. All I have to do is three peoples jobs because server administrator is only one aspect. So if you have nothing positive to add about the topic itself grab yourself a “wine cooler”, sit back and shut up. -Skeep 2003-09-24 2:43 pm No problems for me. G3-300MHz B&W 320MB RAM 3rd Party (German) F&W SCSI Controller 6GB IDE Drive 10GB IBM SCSI Drive MAC-NALLY USB Keyboard Logitech USB 2 button track ball (Orbit) Firewire CD-RW ?48x12x24? (haven’t tested burning yet) Applications open a little faster. Resizing windows are much faster… They turned off live resizing and went back to the old wireframe resizing! They pulled the update before I could try it on my TiBook G4-400Mhz. I hope they fix the problems and release it again soon. 2003-09-24 2:44 pm I wouldn’t worry about people like mp (IP: —.mcg.edu). You did you job. A patch was issued and you took the advice given by Apple with good faith. The only one that should be blamed is Apple for no adequately testing their patches. If there were more people like you, willing to do their job and patch their systems we wouldn’t see blaster worms and spam email flooding through peoples emails. So I would say, rather than blaming yourself, treat it as a learning curve. For me, I’m not going to purchase Panther straight away, I’ll wait for the first 2-3 patches are released then I’ll upgrade. I’ll let the bleeding edge adopters get stung with bugs before I do 😉 2003-09-24 3:21 pm G4 Dual 1.25 GHZ 2 Gig PC 2700 2 X 60 Gig 1 X 60 Gig Firewire External Things are running smooth. Seems like they improved the firewire. No Problems at all. S. http://www.sideliners.ca 2003-09-24 3:27 pm //For me, I’m not going to purchase Panther straight away, I’ll wait for the first 2-3 patches are released then I’ll upgrade. I’ll let the bleeding edge adopters get stung with bugs before I do ;-)// Heh. The wise among us Microsoft users have been doing that for years. Welcome to the club! 🙂 2003-09-24 3:50 pm No you can not blame Apple for everything. There is no way that they could predict all the problems (alhough it is easier with closed hardware). I did not meant to offend Skeep. However the argument: “The fact is the Software Update opened itself and I clicked “Install”. There was and still is nothing saying that this update wouldn’t work for me.” is quite naive. If Apple would know about problems they will never publish update in the first place (and that is why they pulled it off). Usually one should have testing system where it would be possible to check for the problems first. Imagine what would happen to Apple’s site if they would install this update on the main servers and they would lose net connection. They do upgrade after testing. Here, ask Eugenia if they install all updates for RH as they comes on osnews web server. Definitely before modyfying anything they test it. 2003-09-24 4:29 pm Actually the “bleeding edge” people are already using the betas. With Apple software it’s (usually) safe to go with the first versions of something. 2003-09-24 4:31 pm The 10.2.8 update ran through to completion on my PowerBook Titanium without a hitch, but upon reboot I no longer had my customized dock (replaced by the default dock). Definitely NOT the end of the world, but certainly curious behavior for a core OS update to encroach on user personalization. 2003-09-24 6:18 pm Yep, Apple’s lazy. —-worst conclusion ever— 2003-09-24 6:39 pm Well, I installed 10.2.8 from my disk-on-key last night on both my Dual G4/1.42Ghz and my girlfriends eMac 1GHz. I didn’t have internet access going, so I downloaded it at work (damn crappy Digitalpath.net service). Anyway, the install worked just fine on my machine, so I did it on my girlfriends box. After I did the install and rebooted, about 10 minutes later finder went nuts and every time I tried to open finder windows or open some apps, it would restart finder. I had to hard power down the machine and reboot (which took ages due to the disk checking). When it came back up everything was fine and it hasn’t done that since. Very wierd. On my girlfriends Mac the update also went find except that now the Internet Connect app (which we need to use to set up the VPN connection to our wireless ISP) unexpectedly quits are a few minutes. Thankfully once the connection is made, quitting Internet Connect solves the problem. So mostly everything appears to be fine here. Networking is fine and my PC is able to sync my MP3 collection to the Mac just fine also. BTW, for the guy who said Windows service packs have never caused problems, you obviously haven’t been using Windows long enough. My Windows XP Home box (2.66Ghz P5, 512M DDR-266) completely stopped communicating on the network after I installed a Windows XP hot fix update a while back. I went back to my old back and it *still* wouldn’t work. A complete OS install was required to solve the problem, and now the machine is back up and running. Due to the complete OS re-install I ended up getting a Mac for myself and my girlfriend 😉 Now the PC just serves MP3’s throughout the house (Rio Recievers are no longer supported so no Mac server software will be coming out ;-( ) and has some stuff still on it that I can’t do on my Mac yet…. 2003-09-24 9:08 pm Geez Skeep! Be careful when you are upgrading production boxes. We have a MacOSX Server here at work and we DO NOT run an update as soon as it is available. Run the update after its been out for at least a week. Before doing the update repair the file system. Do the update during non-production hours. Run your update from a file updater, not through live-update. Reboot and repair disk permissions. I have been running MacOSX Server using the above techniques and have very few problems with updates. 2003-09-24 9:23 pm I installed 10.2.8 on my iBook 700/640. As others have reported, it seems a _lot_ faster to me. I’ve seen the strange battery timings that others have mentioned, but the system is a lot snappier. Heck, even the airport range has improved. I’ve never said this before, but this update has actually made a real, noticeable difference on my system. Good timing too, as I was contemplating selling it off. Oh well, here’s hoping that Apple gets their bugs fixed ASAP. I know I’ll stick with 10.2.8 for some time. 2003-09-24 9:51 pm Skeep, Would you drop me your e-mail, I’m in the same area as you. thanks 2003-09-25 10:58 am Hi, Anyone having problems with PB 12″? It seems that my 10Mb/s networtk support is gone (I use it at home), but 100Mb/s is still ok (I have it at work). Strange, I thought PB’s are imune… I’m running UFS as my file system. Could that cause any additional trouble? Any suggestions? Regards, V. 2003-09-29 7:14 pm I have two G4 Yosimite Servers, one running 9.1 and appleshare ip 6.3.3 with 1600+ users. The other server has been upgraded to OS X and just imported all 1600+ users and came back and found the OS X server had auto update on! I had no choice but to restart with the new 10.2.8 update… No one can login now.. Guess os 9 will have to work for a while longer,,, fragmented files and all.. Hope a fix is coming soon or I will have to rebuild alot.