The new OS, still a couple of years away, will change the way developers write business applications.
Microsoft To Unwrap Longhorn Code
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This article really glossed over the details. Have to wait until next week I guess…
You mean Windows will move to being a network-centric platform with robust support for TCP/IP protocols built into the core APIs??
Hey, if I didn’t already have that with the Linux and MacOS X boxes i have, i might be interested.
If I didn’t already have a vast array of free libraries, packages and protocols to choose from to implement my applications, I might think this was a real step forward.
And hey, if I thought for a moment that the Microsoft implementation of this ‘radical new approach’ would be secure, stable or open, I might even deploy it on a machine to see what it was like.
But I can’t see a ‘C: drive’ anywhere on may of my machines. What the hell is this guy on about?
The article is long on generalities and short on details. We will be hearing this for the next two years, so move on guys, nothing to see here.
Am I the only one worried about this quote by a developer:
<Adds Saucier: “I expect to build apps that are as smart as Outlook,” Microsoft’s E-mail program that automatically sniffs out network connections.>
Quite probably the biggest security nightmare in the history of computing is now seen as the way forward?
Ofcourse they will change the way developers write business applications. They have to force customers to buy the stuff, so this is nothing new. In five years from now they will change the way developers write business applications once again, and again, and again…
I can “change the way” I write apps right now.
I can use something like php or Perl, PostgreSQL, MySQL, Oracle 9i or DB/2 and HTML or XML to get something that acts much the same way as it ever did, the only difference is that I’ve now got worldwide possibilities in its deployment.
Some journalists fail to engage brain before putting mouth into overdrive. ’nuff sed?
First it was .NET, then it was security, and now it is Longhorn. This sounds all too familiar.
Longhorn is supposed to be the technology they bet the company on. Didn’t we hear that before with .NET and the security initiave? Both didn’t result into much. .NET has been dropped from many things including .NET Server. Security has been an afterthought for years.
Reading the article you get the impression that Longhorn is the “next big thing”. However, in the end it won’t be anything special – just like before.
I wish Microsoft would focus on improving their products and not rewriting their strategies all the time and hyping the heck out of it.
they have no braindead marketing guys telling the company what to do, and what to release. nuff said.
…but Microsoft keeps making money,so if it chooses to add another level of abstraction (especially through middleware) it has created even more flexibility for itself, and more control than it every had in the past, but as only some of us know, using Microsoft technology is the same thing as joining a bureaucracy – you are only an observer.
Microsoft will have some nice technology however something is completely missing. We do not know what we are missing, because we do not hold the cards.
You mean Windows will move to being a network-centric platform with robust support for TCP/IP protocols built into the core APIs??
Hey, if I didn’t already have that with the Linux and MacOS X boxes i have, i might be interested.
If I didn’t already have a vast array of free libraries, packages and protocols to choose from to implement my applications, I might think this was a real step forward.
And hey, if I thought for a moment that the Microsoft implementation of this ‘radical new approach’ would be secure, stable or open, I might even deploy it on a machine to see what it was like.
But I can’t see a ‘C: drive’ anywhere on may of my machines. What the hell is this guy on about?
I couldn’t have said it better myself. That’s exactly what I was thinking while reading the article.
Microsoft’s strategy seems to be:
1. Allow marketing to lead the rest of the company by the nose.
2. Have marketing make a big deal of the latest and greatest, but
3. Consistently come up with the ‘latest and greatest’ by watching what other operating systems already have implemented. Finally,
4. Wait until the threat of customer defection becomes brinksmanship before giving a half-assed effort to the problem, and then put it down as soon as possible in favor of worthless ‘features’ like 3 dimentional desktop displays.
Who needs this crap?
I think microsoft has a serious case of version 2 syndrome. They are a bit ashamed of the crap they produced before Win2k, and this time they want to get it right.
But putting every buzzword technology in existence deep inside the OS is not exactly the best way to get a lean, mean and secure system. Does anybody think that a File system that uses NTFS(!) as the lowest layer, MS SQL as a DB layer and XML storage as a presentation layer will be secure or fast? I think Reiser4 (by the time Longhorn is released Reiser5 will probably be out) will blow this right out of the water.
The same with the APIs. I really do not see how integrating stuff to write business applications into the OS will increase security or performance.
Microsoft has some really nice technologies such as .NET at their disposal and a lot of money in the bank. They have the chance to write a really nice and secure OS. But I think they lack the minimalistic KISS mindset required for that task, so they will not succeed.
Buzzword computing. This new amazing technology, advertised as “cost-cutting and perfomance-multiplying”, would deliver latest buzzword-compatible buzzword plugins to your machines, ensuring on-demand buzzword compilance. An up-to-date set of buzzwords can increase ROI by up to 678%, decrease TCO by up to 132%, water your lawn and walk your dog. And all that is available for a low low price of $3999.98! Don’t idle – order today!
The new filesystems based on database management systems that will be popularized by vendors like IBM and Microsoft are not a bad idea, however this idea has existed for decades, and it has taken this long for vendor architecture to incorporate this idea. That is a problem.
Just like the tablet PCs, you have to wait for the hype to die over and then see if it is worth while!
I have nothing against filesystems with advanced database-like features. I loved the way the Be filesystem worked. But it should be done in a very lean and unintrusive way like in BeFS or in Reiser4. Adding layers upon layers of cruft like SQL and XML is IMHO not the right way to do it except if you are looking for buzzword compliance.
All very nice, but how long did it take developers to move from win16 to win32? I don’t hold out much hoping seeing much software companies jumping on board.
that MS will anounce a NEW and INOVATIVE feature….automatic network resource detection or ANRD. this new technology created at Microsoft will allow you to plug your PC into any where in the network and it will automaticly see all other resources that are available to the computer with no configuration!!!
it just sounds like that NEW feature will be part of this all encompasing “network centric” OS.
[cough]zero conf[cough]
What’s it going to be called the RegisteryFS? We all know how flakey the registery is, so I’m expecting about the same on the filesystem. Can’t wait!
The same with the APIs. I really do not see how integrating stuff to write business applications into the OS will increase security or performance.
Microsoft has some really nice technologies such as .NET at their disposal and a lot of money in the bank.
You know, about 90-99% of what they’re talking about when it comes to Longhorn APIs to write business applications is simply an upgraded .Net API. .Net is supposed to be to Longhorn what Win32 is to XP, the native API of the system.
I am starting to get a little sick of the colossal hype surrounding Longhorn at the moment, especially since its not even in an alpha state yet. However, I do know someone at Microsoft who works with the actual code and from what he’s saying…well, it might actually live up to some of the hype.
For all those who say “Oh think of all the resouces used when tacking on SQL and XML servers” well just think of how much faster the computers will be in three years. Those services running on top won’t mean diddily squat especially at the pace Intel, AMD, NVIDIA, et al are releasing new parts and new technologies.
“For all those who say “Oh think of all the resouces used when tacking on SQL and XML servers” well just think of how much faster the computers will be in three years. Those services running on top won’t mean diddily squat ”
That’s EXACTLY hoy a bad programmer works. ‘yeaaa, by the
time i finish my program, faster computers will be
out, so i can write sloppy fat slow code and no one will
notice’ … It doesn’t matter what the computer processing
power is. Fat code will always be slower than slim and
optimized code.
You are right, computers in 3 years from now will be
really really fast, but why does it matter? Longhorn
will run ‘ok’ on those computers? Then Linux will absolutely
fly.
Think about that last article stating that
Samba3 is 2.5 times faster than W2k3… allright, the
article had no numbers anywhere to be seen, but i still
find it easy to believe…
“Microsoft will take the wraps off the first publicly available code for its next version of Windows, code-named Longhorn.”
So what? BSD’s and Linux have been doing this for years. =)
As soon as they take the wraps off for Longhorn code, about a thousand viruses and holes will have to be patched. Windows update will take a month to install anything and Microsoft will be forced to make another commitment to security and innovation. Balmer will promise to write the code this time himself.
“For all those who say “Oh think of all the resouces used when tacking on SQL and XML servers” well just think of how much faster the computers will be in three years. Those services running on top won’t mean diddily squat especially at the pace Intel, AMD, NVIDIA, et al are releasing new parts and new technologies. ”
Why should I buy a new machine if all microsoft can do with it is waste cycles for buzzword-compliant bloat like XML and extremely limiting DRM?
And by the way bloated software is not only a performance problem but also a security problem. The more services you have running, the more things can go wrong. Every line of code you write is a potential security risc, so the only way to get a reasonably secure system is to make it as small and minimalistic as possible.
Probably the performance of all this bloat will be so bad that they will put it in the kernel like they did with the graphics subsystem in NT 4.0.
Microsoft, SCO and others is in battle with opensource, because opensource is a cancer to economy/technology progress! Why some of opensource programmers are working in commercial software company’s? Easy, because jobs in technology areas are only possible if there’s money to paid programmers. It is not fair that some of this programmers that work to a commercial company that is their job are contributing to opensource… Opensource kill analists and programmers, i’m not joking here. If you are a software house and try to sell a commercial program, the client say “I have the same program that can do the same thing opensource ‘free'”, what the hell is this, why we are migrating to linux instead of commercial operating systems? Don’t say linux is better, if you want an advanced operating system, choose Unix it’s a commercial version that do the same thing as linux. And microsoft have programmers working to them, because they have money to paid them, remember this, because your software company that you work for, have money because they sell programs…
In the article, it says that they hope to build applications as smart as Outlook. Obviously, the have never used Outlook.
It was a great joke. I wonder if the rest of the article is real.
In the article, it says that they hope to build applications as smart as Outlook. Obviously, the have never used Outlook.
Context is fairly important here, since it references Outlook’s ability to find an active network connection to the Exchange or POP3 server.
Then again, Outlook just got the best upgrade it’s had in a long time with the 2003 release, so maybe they did mean more than just it’s ability to find the server…
over vaporware! Seriously, what’s the point of even discussing a non-existant product? Unless OSNews likes being a tool of Microsoft marketing dept. sheesh. Delete away!
As soon as they take the wraps off for Longhorn code, about a thousand viruses and holes will have to be patched. Windows update will take a month to install anything and Microsoft will be forced to make another commitment to security and innovation. Balmer will promise to write the code this time himself.
LOL !!!
Articles like that are written for PHB’s in a version of English called Marketing Speak. To us Technical Types, it makes no sense at all because it is just a pile of cowpies.
What it actually means is hat you’ll going to be RENTING your apps instead of buying.
that MS will anounce a NEW and INOVATIVE feature….automatic network resource detection or ANRD. this new technology created at Microsoft will allow you to plug your PC into any where in the network and it will automaticly see all other resources that are available to the computer with no configuration!!!
[cough]zero conf[cough]
YES… BUT MICROSOFTS will be “ALMOST”-identical but totally INCOMPATIBLE with the IETF standard: http://www.zeroconf.org/
…beacuse they had to make a small little “IMPROVEMENT” that totally makes their implementation propietary.
They seriously need a new playbook…..it’s getting way to easy to read.
“Microsoft will take the wraps off the first publicly available code for its next version of Windows, code-named Longhorn.”
Hmm..
– Still lots of stuff to do complete longhorn
– Still lots of bugs
– Is falling way behind
Hey, release the source and get free bug fixes from your users, what a “INNOVATIVE” idea.
– Still lots of stuff to do complete longhorn
– Still lots of bugs
– Is falling way behind
so what we learn from that (once again, they could have read it up in time for NT at least)? You start coding too soon and write messy code, you paaaay for it.
Lol, they are sooo fscked. Most of their new buzzword stuff is already workingly implemented in OSS, and more on the way. KDE 3.2 will rival (imho) even Mac OSX in terms of easness – for the pro as the DAU. And bout that threeedeee crap: Mhhh… Fresco, Xfree, 3DWM.. I’m sure we’ll get that in time (=before LH) in OSS.
And lol, everything is compatible with M$S, but not otherwise round. I think they in two or three years when they have lost a good part of their market share will see that they have to implement compatibility to OO or so – because the customer wants it. But customers will refuse to want. Poor poor bill, his vision slammed (making a buck selling OS licenses to desktop users till death), his empire thrown over. He may have had a good laugh, he might have a good w(h)ine in the future.
regards folks,
Marcel
p.s.: muahmuah
If you read the Pc-World magazine of November 11th.(www.pcmag.com) It tells you moe bout Longhorn, which by the way is VERY security orientated!!! Which If I can say for everyone is a great thing to think about, no moe worms or viruses in gerenal, and if it does come along(a virus) It gets fixed much faster that before(Windows XP/Home/Professional). And also much easier access to apps and programs. So just read those coulpe of pages in the November 11th magazine of Pc-world to be better informed.