Ximian‘s Joe Shaw writes: “We announced the release of rcd 2.0 and the open-carpet stuff. We did a lot of work over the past five months to get Red Carpet into a state where we can try to push it as the premier software management infrastructure and then try to get it integrated generically into GNOME. I am really excited about this release since it opens up a huge amount of open source software to our users who previously needed to turn to some other solution. Our daemon architecture makes it easy for others to write applications which tie into the packaging system, so I hope projects like NARC (Nautilus-Red Carpet integration) pick up again and see some adoption. The Open Carpet software is a first step toward making Red Carpet services easy to set up. I’d like to work toward getting those big Apt repositories to also set up RC services, so we’ll see.” More info here.
Red Carpet Daemon 2.0 and Open Carpet Announced
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I haven’t had the chance to try Ximian’s software except when i updated my Evolution, but this sounds like a step in the right direction. I keep my system up to date with, well, up2date since i use Red Hat, but i think something like this or apt-get needs to be built into Gnome. /me nods to Ximian.
the red carpet interface is EXACTLY what makes software install on Linux easy. talk about web services, companies could set up stores for their software that uses redcarpet and supply a redcarpet URI so when you click on it, it opens in RC and shows you in a nice browsable store like interface all their software with a nice discription of it. then you can buy it and it downloads to your system, perhaps for large applications that will take one CD, RC could link to CDrecord and you can burn in right to CD before you install it so you have it on disk, ready to go at a latter date if needed.
The “universal” wildcard expension in the unix world would not work in its file selection box.
Please keep the discussion on topic and do not reply on mod-down comments.
The plethora of yum sources for Fedora somewhat imtimidated me and I had a few problems with certain sources (like unavailable mirrors and such). So I just tried this, installed Red Carpet, added “http://www.open-carpet.org“ as a service and now I have all those channels to chose from. I already upgraded Rhythmbox and Epiphany this way which worked flawlessly.
So I’m quite pleased and I could definitely imagine to use Red Carpet all the time instead of yum/APT, if the major repositories start providing Red Carpet services now. The configuration still is a bit confusing at places though and a description of the channels would be nice (what the heck is RPMPAN?).
I recon that it’s not safe to just select all the sources and pray that nothing breaks, but how should I know. :>
Is their any information on how to integrate this into an e-commerce system for distribution of commercial binary distributed software? I see this as a very important step to developing a healthy environment for a commercial application market for Linux. I have nothing against commercial software as long as it does not become a threat to competition and technological progress.
Another interesting thing is, that I can create a superuser and then do everything (including installing and removing software) without typing the root password again and again. This feature seems rather undocumented though and a bit confusing, so I’m not sure if I’m really using it in the way intended. It works however.
“the next-generation of network based software management already exists today”
This thing is only needed for spaghetti OSS packages with next to zero level of backward compatibility.
On NT, win2k and winxp, M$ faithfully preserved some essential libaraies dated to NT 3.1 era, like the CRTDLL.DLL. No software developed within the last decade should ever need this library, yet even on xp, it is there just in case.
For a linux box, you definitely need the network to keep it up to date, yet you never know if the other end has already been owned by hackers behind the “pretty interface”.
> yet you never know if the other end has already been
> owned by hackers behind the “pretty interface”.
Ummm, cryptographic hashes anyone? Only accepting signed packages is the default on the Fedora builds of APT and YUM. One could make the same point about Windows Update or any one of many Windows utilities and applications that have some form of built in patch and upgrade ability.
What does backward compatibility with ancient binaries have to do with having a complete package management solution? If you need to run a very old binary in an APT repository its dependencies would be on glibc-*-compat, etc, type of packages. The essential user-space interfaces to the kernel and Xwindows are very stable and backward compatible.
that SUSE will start coming with Red Carpet installed by default?
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> yet you never know if the other end has already been
> owned by hackers behind the “pretty interface”.
Ummm, cryptographic hashes anyone? Only accepting signed packages is the default on the Fedora builds of APT and YUM. One could make the same point about Windows Update or any one of many Windows utilities and applications that have some form of built in patch and upgrade ability.”
Did you compare the cryptographic hashes with those published on the net for every package ? Did you faithfully reject every unsigned package ?
The risk is there for Windowsupdate and hackers did broke into MS’ servers. However it is linux camp that drum up the idea that OSS is way better than windows in terms of security, yet recent track records just doesn’t support that, with GNU servers owned by hackers for a few months without notice, vs. a few days in MS’ case.
The funny thing is that with the recent Debian break-in, the show stopper is described by some as an “increased popularity”. — like a virgin which angle you look at it.
> With it you can browsesoftware through channels, install
> and remove packages, and get package information. It also
> includes “power features” like package history,
> locks for preventing certain updates, and package rollback.
ROLLBACK!!!! YAY! An unlimited ‘Undo’ for all installations and upgrades!!!! JOY!
“What does backward compatibility with ancient binaries have to do with having a complete package management solution? If you need to run a very old binary in an APT repository its dependencies would be on glibc-*-compat, etc, type of packages. The essential user-space interfaces to the kernel and Xwindows are very stable and backward compatible.”
On windows, something is there already, no need to download the &%#-compat packages using a “complete package management solution” on top of 3 to 5 CDs.
>The risk is there for Windowsupdate and hackers did broke into MS’ servers.
> However it is linux camp that drum up the idea that OSS is way better than
> windows in terms of security, yet recent track records just doesn’t support that,
> with GNU servers owned by hackers for a few months without notice, vs.
> a few days in MS’ case.
I might point out that Linux now has a relatively unified install and update system rather then a hodgepodge of installer wizards and application specific updaters that may or may not impalement the kind cryptographic safeguards that APT/YUM does.
As a hypothetical question: if the Windows Update or some of the anti-virus vender’s update servers where 0wned the way the Debian servers where would we ever be allowed to know about it?
Most Windows installers try to support everything from Win ’95 to XP and fill in any missing pieces with any needed libraries. What do you think is on that 3 to 5 CDs for a Windows software installer?
“I might point out that Linux now has a relatively unified install and update system rather then a hodgepodge of installer wizards and application specific updaters that may or may not impalement the kind cryptographic safeguards that APT/YUM does.
As a hypothetical question: if the Windows Update or some of the anti-virus vender’s update servers where 0wned the way the Debian servers where would we ever be allowed to know about it?”
On the windows platform, a relatively unified install, update system has been in existent for almost a decade. Although not perfect, not bullet-proof, it has delivered over 90% of commercial packages.
One version of cryptographic safeguards on windows is called AuthentiCode.
What would be nice is an integration with Kudzu that could offer to install and upgrade driver packages when a new piece of hardware is detected . . . No more hunting for driver packages by hand!
“Most Windows installers try to support everything from Win ’95 to XP and fill in any missing pieces with any needed libraries. What do you think is on that 3 to 5 CDs for a Windows software installer?”
Windows OS – ONE CD
RedHat Linux – 3 CD
SuSe Linux – 5 CD ???
Office suite has multiple CDs, but you don’t have to use all of them if you don’t need to install every thing, unlike Redhat linux that insists a 3 CD set even for a minimal installation.
Windows might fill in all the potential missing pieces, so that its users don’t have to scratch head most of time.
>Windows OS – ONE CD
>RedHat Linux – 3 CD
>SuSe Linux – 5 CD ???
On most Linux distros, the default installation requires only the first cd; the default install comes with way more applications than in Windows.
“On most Linux distros, the default installation requires only the first cd; the default install comes with way more applications than in Windows.”
That doesn’t apply to RedHat linux, I guess.
Most computer users need a setup that works, most linux distro offered a thousand half-baked apps with goofy names, ugly fonts, inconsistent UIs that can hardly described as a complete solution.
I recently switched to FreeBSD for various reasons, but I always liked redcarpet… combining them would be a fun task I think.
I’ll get designing I think
I might point out that Linux now has a relatively unified install and update system rather then a hodgepodge of installer wizards and application specific updaters that may or may not impalement the kind cryptographic safeguards that APT/YUM does.
I might point out that closed-source commercial software (or “proprietary software” for you GNU semantic zealots) typically doesn’t use these facilities because there currently is no standard distribution agnostic packaging system present on all Linux systems which can properly handle dependancies, and the “hodgepodge of installer wizards” (which are typically either one of MSI or InstallShield, with MSI being the standard system facility) are typically used to install closed-source commercial software. Really, what you’re taking a swing at here addresses a problem which Linux has only begun to solve, and no solution has been implemented in a standard manner across all distributions.
That doesn’t apply to RedHat linux, I guess.
Most computer users need a setup that works, most linux distro offered a thousand half-baked apps with goofy names, ugly fonts, inconsistent UIs that can hardly described as a complete solution.
*Yawns*
For better or for worse, commercial/proprietary software is not an issue right now in the Linux world. I don’t see it becoming one anytime soon (though native ports of Reason or Photoshop would definitely be great). Ports of games are different, because only a relatively small part of a game is needed to be ported.
For commercial software, RPM seems to have become the standard format, or script-type app-specific installers. Otherwise, Gentoo’s portage system is definitely not distro-agnostic, but is versatile in that it can be (and is) used for any sort of software, albeit without a user-friendly interface.
“Most computer users need a setup that works, most linux distro offered a thousand half-baked apps with goofy names, ugly fonts, inconsistent UIs that can hardly described as a complete solution.”
Another person whining that Linux is too hard for them, that if only Bill would come down from Redmond and run their computer for them, they’d be truly happy.
Really, what you’re taking a swing at here addresses a problem which Linux has only begun to solve, and no solution has been implemented in a standard manner across all distributions.
This is a mistake Windows-thinkers sometimes make. Packaging is not up to the software vendor or developer in Linux. You release the source, or even the binaries, and let the distributions package them and “fit” them into their setups.
Closed-source companies are beginning to understand this, and saying that they don’t include packages for Linux because there is no standard package system is either a mistake in your logic, or a mistake in the company’s logic.
why we need a no-hassle software installation for linux?
If we really wanna push linux to the real desktop era for everyone in this world.
theres no doubt about it that RPM is the standard for software installation these days. it has problem. so fix it asap. while nothin is perfect. i believe Autopackage is the answer.
note: pls dont reply with any pro/geek way of rpmsaver like emerge/ebuild or slackware stuff.
anyway, ximian has done the best they can to improve desktop usability for linux.
“On windows, something is there already, no need to download the &%#-compat packages using a “complete package management solution” on top of 3 to 5 CDs.”
Actually, that’s not always true, I can count many times having to download ancient Visual Basic .dll files or other things to get a Windows program to work.
In addition, it’s not very fair to claim that Windows has eliminated this problem, most Windows games and programs anymore tend to just include everything they need it seems. Needlessly taking up extra disk space and duplicating the same libraries over and over…games are especially bad about this it seems.
“On most Linux distros, the default installation requires only the first cd; the default install comes with way more applications than in Windows.”
That doesn’t apply to RedHat linux, I guess
You guessed wrong. Try clicking ‘minimal install’ next time.
For example, Gentoo, which requires one CD – a 26meg image for a Stage 1 install.
Hell, if you’re a bit sneaky and use Knoppix, you don’t even have to bother burning a CD in the first place.
“Most computer users need a setup that works, most linux distro offered a thousand half-baked apps with goofy names, ugly fonts, inconsistent UIs that can hardly described as a complete solution.”
Another person whining that Linux is too hard for them, that if only Bill would come down from Redmond and run their computer for them, they’d be truly happy.
Half-baked apps has little to do with “hard to use for somebody”
“On most Linux distros, the default installation requires only the first cd; the default install comes with way more applications than in Windows.”
That doesn’t apply to RedHat linux, I guess
You guessed wrong. Try clicking ‘minimal install’ next time.
This is Lin-Zealot logic. The original discussion is default installation, you suggest minimal installation. Just like in a previous discussion in which some one was discussing kde/Gnome setup is too bloated when compared with a win2k/xp setup, then a zealot suggest Blackbox – the feature set is just not the same.
Half-baked apps has little to do with “hard to use for somebody”
I have a question for you —.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net, what level “half-baked” are they? Would you say Internet Explorer level, Microsoft Outlook level, or the dreadful Windows Millenium Edition? Or maybe half-baked as in the RPC vulnerability in Windows 2K, XP, 2003, and NT?
If you are just being a foolish Microsoft zealot, please go away. If you honestly think Microsoft’s software is more “finished” than the typical mainstream Linux distro, please visit Windows Update, and go away.
I’m not a particular zealot of anything, but I dislike it when extremely ignorant (as-in lacking in knowledge) people, such as yourself, continually argue about something they are obviously extremely biased about, or at least lack any experience in.
You complain that Linux distros install off more than one CD. I guess it is too difficult for you to press that Eject button, eh? You think that is a flaw with the operating system, when in fact it is your laziness.
I installed Mandrake 9.2 two days ago, from *gasp* 3 CDs. During that installation OpenOffice, GNUCash, and GIMP were installed off those same CDs. Does Windows XP install with the MS OFfice Suite, Jasc Paint Shop Pro, and Inuit Quicken all on the same CD? No. Thanks, you can stop your mindless rant again Linux now.
I assume if you think the size of the installation is so important, you are now running either MSDOS or Windows 3.1.
“On windows, something is there already, no need to download the &%#-compat packages using a “complete package management solution” on top of 3 to 5 CDs.”
Actually, that’s not always true, I can count many times having to download ancient Visual Basic .dll files or other things to get a Windows program to work.
In addition, it’s not very fair to claim that Windows has eliminated this problem, most Windows games and programs anymore tend to just include everything they need it seems. Needlessly taking up extra disk space and duplicating the same libraries over and over…games are especially bad about this it seems.
Windows has NOT eliminated this problem, however the situation is way better than that on a linux pflatform/distro.
The extra diskspace taken by windows libraries for backward compatibility is far less than that required by one complete glibc alone.
“However it is linux camp that drum up the idea that OSS is way better than windows in terms of security, yet recent track records just doesn’t support that, with GNU servers owned by hackers for a few months without notice, vs. a few days in MS’ case.”
Oh please, you’re taking things out of their proportions. You take 2 examples, of which the GNU is non-standard, and you don’t provide details.
The GNU servers were hacked by someone inside, who had legal (a), local (b) access. Such situation is totally different than the situation where ”Dimitri” (aka ScreamOnline) illegaly (a) cracked 2 or 3 times (c) in the MS Windows Update servers remotely (b) because they didn’t patch their systems (d). Sounds quite different, huh? In both situations no source or binaries were harmed.
A, B, C and D are the differences.
This ”Dimitri” (who worked at Getronics Netherlands and got fired for this behaviour because Getronics and Microsoft are allied and Dimitri broke the good name as Getronics worker) has also been inside the MS network.
Inside or outside, it was hacked nonetheless.
If thing happened on the OSS side, the emphasis has always been that the binaries and sources were not harmed or it should already been fixed a long time ago.
In average joes’ eyes, it’s been fingered
It’s or out of date platforms now anyway. When will it support more recent distributions? Or is is like a lot of these things, always going to be behind the curve?
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The people who are arguing about how great Windows is are arguing about the wrong things. Red Carpet != Windows Update. Does Windows Update update your AOL Instant Messenger client? No. Red Carpet updates all of your RPMs with RPMs in the repositories you subscribe to.
well it does matter if a job was done from the inside or outside. its imposible to stop one who has physical acsses to a machine. its hard to stop one with an account if you dont tigthen the security so the account becomes useless. its much easier to stop remote exploits.
and locall acess should only be given if you can trust the person who gets it.
The people who are arguing about how great Windows is are arguing about the wrong things. Red Carpet != Windows Update. Does Windows Update update your AOL Instant Messenger client? No. Red Carpet updates all of your RPMs with RPMs in the repositories you subscribe to.
Does red carpet update java VM on a linux box ?
Windowsupdate is far from great, it is however a pretty practical solution.
Does red carpet capable of updaing linux drivers ?
Red Carpet can update the java VM given a repository that has it. Same thing with linux drivers. Windows does not have anything like it. C/Net update used to be able to do that, but it was much slower, and now it’s gone.
You know what I’d like? I’d like an uber-packaging manager that understands every bloody last packaging scheme — rpm’s, deb’s, tar files, zipped files, BSD ports, whatever the hell Gentoo calls their’s, Slackware’s tgz’s…whatever. I want it to resolve dependencies, too.
Why should different ways of bundling and tracking files drive everyone nuts?
Then I’d like developers and distribution-makers to get serious about standards. I’m tired of being promised “choice” and “freedom” by Linux, only to have my choices and my freedom constrained by unnecessary (rpt, unnecessary) dependencies and unecessary file layout weirdness. If “really.important.library.so.1.1.1-b” is merely a recompile of “really.important.library.so.1.1.1-a” done to fix a spelling error, how come my packaging manager isn’t smart enough to know that? How come my packaging manager goes belly-up and tells me “you fix it” when it can’t be bothered to look in more than one place for a file?
Someone needs to fix this mess.
Red Carpet can update the java VM given a repository that has it. Same thing with linux drivers. Windows does not have anything like it. C/Net update used to be able to do that, but it was much slower, and now it’s gone.
Only problem is that Sun want to force you to click that EULA.
Current windows incarnation doesn’t have the depenecy mess on the linux platform. They work for most computer users without the need of a geeks’ carpet plus a hacker 0wned repository.
Why should different ways of bundling and tracking files drive everyone nuts?
Zealot force you to choose from multiple choices, whether it would work or not isn’t high on their agenda.
Then I’d like developers and distribution-makers to get serious about standards. I’m tired of being promised “choice” and “freedom” by Linux, only to have my choices and my freedom constrained by unnecessary (rpt, unnecessary) dependencies and unecessary file layout weirdness. If “really.important.library.so.1.1.1-b” is merely a recompile of “really.important.library.so.1.1.1-a” done to fix a spelling error, how come my packaging manager isn’t smart enough to know that? How come my packaging manager goes belly-up and tells me “you fix it” when it can’t be bothered to look in more than one place for a file?
That is what some called a half-baked solution.
Someone needs to fix this mess.
Little by little, they will fix it and continue to screw you along the way 😎
so if I choose a .deb repository, it will track that package and tell an RPM file that I have that dependency?
It’s or out of date platforms now anyway. When will it support more recent distributions? Or is is like a lot of these things, always going to be behind the curve?
The true is in OSS model of software development, few want to fix existing troubles and most want to work on the bleeding edge part of a project. So whenever there is a fix, there are likely ten more screw ups down the road.
You’re still missing the point. If some of your software has an upgrade available, you have to manually find and download the updates. Each one is different, from Acrobat Reader to AIM to Flash, etc. Red Carpet consolidates all of that by allowing each vendor to publish a channel. That’s whay I meant by saying that Windows Update != Red Carpet. Also, Red Carpet automatically resolves dependency issues for all the software in your subscribed repositories, and Windows Update, Adobe, Macromedia, AOL, etc. could also get 0wned.
You’re still missing the point. If some of your software has an upgrade available, you have to manually find and download the updates. Each one is different, from Acrobat Reader to AIM to Flash, etc.Red Carpet consolidates all of that by allowing each vendor to publish a channel. That’s whay I meant by saying that Windows Update != Red Carpet.
Major Windows Apps have bulit-in update menchansim since years ago. Now major sharewares also incorporated this features. So PLEASE don’t pretend OSS geeks are the first bunch of guys that had a taste of this sort of things. You guys cramped these into once channel cuz you pretty much have to as nobody want to deal with the linux dependency hell individually. Red Capet is just the delivery mechanism, not the content. Without a repository, it is basically useless.
Also, Red Carpet automatically resolves dependency issues for all the software in your subscribed repositories
Otherwise it is useless. It boiled down to a multiple choice nightmare, as no single OSS vendor or developer can have a clear picture as to what is actually out there on a user’s linux box. With Windows software, missing components will be added on an as needed basis and with recent windows releases, conflicting components will be peacefully accommodated by the windows automatically. If there is one piece of software that needs certain behavior, recent Windows will pretend to be an older version of Windows running on a particular type of grahic card or even offer locale information on a per application basis. There is no need to tweak the LIB path or ldconfig. THAT’s users and developers friendly.
and Windows Update, Adobe, Macromedia, AOL, etc. could also get 0wned.
They each represents a potential point of failure and that’s BETTER than a SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE.
1. It is ridiculous to demand that every programmer build an update feature into his applications, and indeed, many do not. I run Windows at home, so I know how software gets updated in Windows.
2. That is why most people should install software only from repositories. It is the repositories’ job to add software that their users need.
2.5. Most users (using these repositories) will never have to tweak their paths, etc. to get software to run. RPM, deb, etc. have pre-install scripts that do these things automagically. This part is just as user-friendly as the Windows equivalent.
3. I see this as multiple places for a malicious person to hack. If I can’t hack the Windows Update site, but I know that 90+ percent of Windows users have an auto-updating Flash, I can try to hack Macromedia’s servers.
I am by no means a Linux zealot. I acknowledge that a lot of free software is not as good as the proprietary equivalents, and I have seen some pretty shoddy coding in some projects. Still, I do not count Red Carpet among them. This really is a useful tool that does not have a Windows equivalent.
1. It is ridiculous to demand that every programmer build an update feature into his applications, and indeed, many do not. I run Windows at home, so I know how software gets updated in Windows.
They probably don’t need to update every other week and then brought down an entire group of applications with similar dependency. It is no more ridiculous for a developer with a genuine need to update his product on a frequent basis to have such a feature built-in then to depend on whatever repository out there for update delivery.
The fact is that on a linux box, built-in update facility has a higher level of risk in hosing a user’s setup as different distros do use different locations for key library files – case in point RedHat’s SSL installation. When updated improperly, sendmail and appache would not start.
3. I see this as multiple places for a malicious person to hack. If I can’t hack the Windows Update site, but I know that 90+ percent of Windows users have an auto-updating Flash, I can try to hack Macromedia’s servers.
As if Red Carpet could use only single repository 😎
Some OSS projects offer better features than their windows counterparts, the trouble is they stand on a shaky ground in terms of dependency packages.
you are aware that your trolling just makes you look like a moron….right?
To summarize the thread debate thus far:
Linux is too confusing for Anonymous (—.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net. He doesn’t like to use multiple CDs, and never even removes the inital Windows installation CD from his drive. He believes CD drives are meant for one-time-use.
Since he never installs third-party software, he never has to use anything beyond Windows Update. He didn’t mind the MS Blaster worm, and enjoys Klez, Mimail, SoBig, and Welchia.
If Microsoft’s update site is hacked it is no problem, but if one distrobution of Linux has their site hacked, with no effect besides intrusion, all versions of Linux are insecure and dangerous to use.
Conclusion: Steve Ballmer posts in OSNews’ forums.
LOL LMAO HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Snake
LOL
To summarize the thread debate thus far:
Linux is too confusing for Anonymous (—.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net. He doesn’t like to use multiple CDs, and never even removes the inital Windows installation CD from his drive. He believes CD drives are meant for one-time-use.
My linux box doesn’t have a CD-ROM, it is installed by a tar image and then an in-place update from RH 8 to RH 9.0.
Windows installation CD ? It is mounted under a Samba share
Since he never installs third-party software, he never has to use anything beyond Windows Update. He didn’t mind the MS Blaster worm, and enjoys Klez, Mimail, SoBig, and Welchia.
If script capability is disabled in Outlook Express, Windows worms are just dead snakes.
If Microsoft’s update site is hacked it is no problem, but if one distrobution of Linux has their site hacked, with no effect besides intrusion, all versions of Linux are insecure and dangerous to use.
With a hardware firewall, and proper IE/OE settings, you dont need to jump to the windowsupdate the first time a patch was issued. When the dust settled down, you pick whatever you see fit.
Linux desktop is hyped to light years ahead level, even without a practical package management facility, without essentual UI elements like drag-drop menu editing, easy to use file selection dialog familiar to Windows users for more than 10 years.
The funny part is that when talking about VMWare or crossover office, there are countless linux monkeys floating aorund google and other discussion forums on how to spend 120 bucks for something they already have when they purchased a new computer.
In monkeys’ eyes, a penguin is the same as a big fat peanut
“If script capability is disabled in Outlook Express, Windows worms are just dead snakes.”
If MSIE is removed from Windows, worms are dead snakes too. But it isn’t, and still, people use this heavily remote compromisable browser (11 vulns for months, and counting).
“Linux desktop is hyped”
What is THE Linux desktop? I thought Linux is a kernel?
“The funny part is that when talking about VMWare or crossover office, there are countless linux monkeys floating aorund google and other discussion forums on how to spend 120 bucks for something they already have when they purchased a new computer.”
No, the funny part is WINE
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still, people use this heavily remote compromisable browser (11 vulns for months, and counting).
That’s pretty simple – alternative browsers lag behind too far off, too bloated and too messy.
“Linux desktop is hyped”
What is THE Linux desktop? I thought Linux is a kernel?
This is one of the Lin-Zealogic, when it is not up to the par, it is the kernel, otherwise, it is the monkey butt 😎
WINE is definitely funny, as if a supposedly noncompromisable kernel is too boring …
“still, people use this heavily remote compromisable browser (11 vulns for months, and counting). ”
It looks like there is no fun in using a remote non-compromisable browser at all, so zealots have to count IE’s vulns every now and then. It is also not hard to understand why GNU servers are hacked by an insider, he must be getting bored and has to get some attention one way or the other beyond counting how many tabs he has inside those half-legged “browsers”.
It is also not hard to understand why GNU servers are hacked by an insider, he must be getting bored and has to get some attention one way or the other beyond counting how many tabs he has inside those half-legged “browsers”.
A very frustrated experience, indeed 8-)))