Home > Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris > Mandrake Linux 10.0 Community Available for DownloadMandrake Linux 10.0 Community Available for Download Eugenia Loli 2004-03-10 Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris 60 CommentsDistroWatch reports on a quick note to say that the recently released Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community is now available for free download from the official Mandrake mirrors. About The Author Eugenia LoliEx-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker.Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli 60 Comments 2004-03-10 5:35 pm Anybody? I’ve been wanting to give this a try. 2004-03-10 5:50 pm SS:If you surf on over to distrowatch, there is a link to the torrent:http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/torrent/Mandrakelinux-10.0-Community.tor…I’ve already downloaded the isos’s, and I’m installing now…-charlie 2004-03-10 5:57 pm I have RC1 installed at the moment. Are there any important reasons to upgrade? 2004-03-10 5:58 pm Can’t wait to get home and try it. 2004-03-10 6:13 pm So I guess there are two versions of Mandrake 10 Community: the one that was released some days ago, which is named “Powerpack” and includes commercial software and drivers, and this one, isn’t it? 2004-03-10 6:13 pm For me RC1 would crash at the end of the installation, when I tried to change the regional settings to “norwegian”. Hope it’s fixed now, I’m looking forward to try it as soon as I finish downloading it (although I must confess I’ve been using SuSE 9 for 2 weeks now and I’m loving it…)Any info about when SuSE will release their version with the new kernel/KDE?Rodrigo 2004-03-10 6:42 pm Linux Compatible has the links for the KDE betas optimized for Suse, and there are various reports that the next version comes out in April. 2004-03-10 6:54 pm Anybody? I’ve been wanting to give this a try.I’m using it for the first time myself, not too impressed so far. I suppose I’ll just give it time an hope more users get on, as that supposedly increases dload sppeds. Right now I’ve been pegged at 10KB/s for some time…..bleh! It will take me all week at this rate. 2004-03-10 7:02 pm Actually the release several days ago included the (same) 3 cd download edition (for mandrakeclub members) Powerpack discs (discs 4 and 5) were also made available for certain level mandrakeclub members (silver and up I think). They’re both essentially based on the same 3 cd download (community release). (Powerpack appear to just include additional “contrib” resources that didn’t make the main discs. Although I haven’t had to hunt for any specific driver, it seems as though commercial software/drivers is part of the idea behind the Powerpack discs)My understanding is that the official 10.0 will be out around May and should incorporate fixes and improvements on the community release.As to why to upgrade…. there is a full list on the announcement page, but a few things, kernel 2.6(.3), kde 3.2 (including kontact) (kde 3.2 with patches so it should be fairly close to 3.2.1 (although not specifically numbered as such.)) As always the latest versions of most everything. Various improvements to the default theme and draktools, improved control panel, etc. 2004-03-10 7:09 pm Bittorrent seems to have it’s ups and downs on bit rates. I downloaded a few cds via bittorrent and it would seem to take a slow rate for a long time and then, all of a sudden the rate would start to shoot up and I’d be seeing a GOOD download rate. I guess it may depend on how many people have completed the file download and still have the tracker open. (as opposed to how many just have 50 KB of the file…) Essentially, the more people download the rest of the file and leave the tracker open, the faster the rate should be. 2004-03-10 7:18 pm My download rate has gone from 10 KB/s to 5…. 82hrs left to download.Trying to download the individual CDs (I could only get the 2nd CD link to actually work), I was at about 50. 2004-03-10 7:30 pm I tried the network install, and just a little bit into package installation, the computer would freeze with the activity led being fully lit up and the power button not working. I can’t tell if it’s me or the installer.Hopefully, it ain’t me. 2004-03-10 7:33 pm That’s the third cd set I download with torrent and I’ve never been slower than 150/30 KBps at cruise speed. But yes it starts slow 2004-03-10 7:44 pm My work’s firewall is blocking in a super fashion. I can’t get anything at any rate. I guess I’ll try when I get home!Are there any reported problems with 10.0C like there were with 9.2? I’m still using 9.1 and pretty happy with it, but I’m addicted to bells and whistles, and 10.0 seems to have them all. 2004-03-10 8:01 pm If you don’t have any luck with the torrents you can download it from loadux.com 2004-03-10 8:08 pm Why is it that almost every distro out there puts the full blown, and bloated, Mozilla in there but doesn’t include Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox? It isn’t even in the list of available packages. Not that I have a problem compiling it but if I wanted to compile I’d stick with my Gentoo system. 2004-03-10 8:13 pm HiI think you can get prepackaged stuff elsewhere. several packages depend on mozilla for example ntlm authentication stuff. Besides its considered to be a technology preview still and we can probably expect more support when we reach a 1.0 “stable” releaseJess 2004-03-10 8:30 pm No offense guys, but how about doing it oldschool and FTPing it, one disk at a time? I’m getting killer speeds from Canada. 2004-03-10 8:43 pm BitTorrent will not perform well unless you have a port in your firewall open for peers to connect to your system.BitTorrent FAQ:“I’m behind a firewall/NAT, can I use BitTorrent?”” Yes, but you will get better performance if other peers can connect to you. By default, BitTorrent listens on port 6881, trying incrementially higher ports if it’s unable to bind, and gives up after 6889 (the port range is configurable). It’s up to you to figure out how to poke a hole in your firewall/NAT.”http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/FAQ.html 2004-03-10 9:18 pm I wonder if the new Mandrake Linux has builtin support for DLink DWL 650 revP wireless card (based on Prism3 chipset) already. Its causing a headache for me in SUSE 9 and Fedora Core 1. 2004-03-10 9:24 pm i just completed download and would soon install it. !!! 2004-03-10 9:30 pm I got it from the Ireland Mirror at 330 KB/s per concurrent connection. So, ~900 KB/s total. Great speed. I’ll upgrade my 9.1 system tonight. 2004-03-10 9:31 pm …or does Mandrake seem to choose the worst possible times to release. If they had delayed the release by a month, hardly critical, they could have had GNOME 2.6 in it. 2004-03-10 10:04 pm Been running 10 Community since it’s availability…it is really, really solid & sweet looking. I have to admit that after falling in love with KDE on Suse 9, I’m now running KDE on Mandrake 10. KDE 3.2 is just amazing.– FireFox is there, just not in the default install.– 2.6.3 hasn’t present any problems for me yet, running on a Compaq laptop. 2004-03-10 10:06 pm It might be on purpose. This is just to help them iron out the kinks before they rtelease the paid version with the power packs and what not. That on will include Gnome 2.6 and KDE 3.2.1 ( or .2 if there is one out by then). It gives more people a reason to pay and lets that version be more polished. Mandrake like to fiddle with everything beofre they release it anyway so I’m sure it’d take at elast a month after the release but Mandrake is done tinkering with it. 2004-03-10 10:12 pm There is nothing being done on “purpose”. People will only get bug-fixes to the currently released software. Mandrake has a six month-release cycle and they adhere to it. If they started to push back releases in order to get this package or that package in,nothing would ever get released. Why? Because by the time that Gnome 2.6 is released, KDE 3.4 will be well on it’s way, so we might as well wait for that right?By the way, let’s all get on the bittorrent bandwagon. The more the marrier and play nice and leave your tracker running after you are done… 2004-03-10 10:37 pm “KDE and GNOME are the default graphical desktop environments. Mandrakelinux 10.0 also features WindowMaker, IceWM and others as options.”As per the Mandrake website. Which other ones does it come with? Does it still come with Enlightenment? 2004-03-10 10:47 pm Enlightenment is there on the 3 cd set.It’s not in teh default selection though. 2004-03-10 10:50 pm They could’ve waited for GNOME 2.6, but then they’d have a very new, untested and potentially unstable release. Instead, they opted for a safer choice: 2.4, which has seen a few maintainance releases. Same with Firefox — I agree that it rocks, and in my experience it’s very stable, but Mozilla is fully SUPPORTED and more widely tested.Considering the problems MandrakeSoft has had with bugs and dodgy releases, this is welcome to see. We on OSNews may love all the latest bleeding-edge stuff, but it’s absolutely ESSENTIAL to give newcomers a first impression; in other words, putting stability before flashy features.Props to MDKSoft. If they fix all major problems for 10.0 Official, it should totally rock! 2004-03-10 10:55 pm Does it allow the option to use a kernel older than 2.6 ?TIA 2004-03-10 10:59 pm Yes, but you must select it in package selection, during install. 2004-03-10 11:06 pm of the default desktop. 2004-03-10 11:15 pm If you were answering rain’s question about why to upgrade, you missed that he was asking about why to upgrade from 10RC1 to 10 Community Edition, not from 9.2 or earlier. I have installed 10.0rc1 on a couple of machines and really like it. I have a similar question as rain. Is it worth the trouble to move from 10rc1? I’ll do it eventually, but is there any hurry? 2004-03-10 11:25 pm Why would you want a 2.4 kernel if you get a 2.6 w/o any hassle? 2004-03-10 11:26 pm I usually get more than 3 times more thoughput with HTTP than with FTP. 2004-03-10 11:34 pm It is great I just downloaded it and installed on a dell optiplex gx260 ran like a charm.I am posting this from mandrake 10.it is super fastlooks goodI am impressed 2004-03-11 12:30 am anyone installed mandrake linux 10 can tell me if kernel source is available in one of 3 cd’s? I mean it’s in one of 3 iso’s and need not download from site! 2004-03-11 12:46 am Hiyes. its available.regardsJess 2004-03-11 1:43 am The CD will not boot on my main system. It boots on my laptop and in VMWare just fine, but it just won’t boot on this machine … weirdness. 2004-03-11 2:02 am I don’t understand why I consistantly upload at a sustained max rate of 25 kbs but I can only download at a range of 3 to 9 kbs.Can anyone explain that to me?darren 2004-03-11 2:15 am It should get faster aftera little while. If you find bittorrent to slow, you may want to have the CDs shipped to you by cheapbytes or heaven forbid, pay Mandrake for a nice package delivered to your door. 2004-03-11 2:38 am Although, I couldn’t figure out the version that I was using, I downloaded the latest bittorrent and am having better luck with it. In fact, it might be the same version. Never-the-less, I’m up to 23 kbs download now. The up and downloads are staying alot more even now.I can handle 25 both ways. But, the bs of only downloading at 3 while I’m uploading at 25 bites. 2004-03-11 2:42 am I’ve been running cooker for a while in one install and I don’t recall that there were any major changes. I suspect numerous little bugfixes, probably some of the kde 3.2.1 fixes were added in during that time…Of course, you could just use urpmi to point to an online ftp mirror (in a few days) and grab the updates that way. (instead of downloading the entire iso via ftp or bittorrent)If you have a broadband connection urpmi from an online mirror would also give you a contrib resource. (Which more than doubles the software that is prepackaged for Mandrake) Essentially what I did on one of my machines so far was….urpmi.removemedia -a(This removes ALL existing urpmi media selections)then….urpmi.addmedia –distrib ftp://mylocalmandrakearchive/path/to/cookerondateofcommunityreleas…(This builds a Main, Contrib and Jpackage source (essentially it figures out what sources are available and creates a urpmi source for each) from my local cooker mirror… of course you could do the same with a remote 10 community mirror.)Finally, assuming there were no errors in adding the sources… do this….urpmi –auto-select –autoYou also might dourpmi kernel-2.6or urpmi kernel-2.4in case there has been a new kernel build since RC1 (urpmi skips the kernel in an –auto-select)and the updates should be “grabbed” from your sources which I suspect will be less than a cds worth of difference.This way of updating should work for an install as far back as 9.0 (it seems that gcc changed between 8.2 and 9.0 which may cause things to be interesting upgrading earlier Mandrakes…) Of course, you’ll be downloading quite a bit this way for a 9.x upgrade…. 2004-03-11 4:00 am I have a msi kt600 delta lsr motherboard. Upgraded to mandrake 10 from 9.2 Now my usb isnt working and so i have no digital camera and no usb scanner anyone can help? 2004-03-11 4:13 am ..to insert disc 4 during installation (well, in my case, technically it was an upgrade)?weird. i hit cancel and continued just fine… 2004-03-11 4:34 am I have to say I am very pleased with Mandrake 10 it just rocks. I have installed it last Saturady nite and got UT2004 demo working. The game seems to run even smoother . I have tried Warcaft wit winex too it just works great. This release has been solid Please support Mandrake purchase yearly subcription or buy the Mandrake 10 dvd.My kudos to Mandrake team for a job well done. 2004-03-11 5:13 am Or you could keep an internal rsync’ed mirror and create ISO’s from that. I feel sorry for the dialup users. 2004-03-11 7:23 am Okay I found them, although small on the main site.I particular like what they have done here.http://images.mandrakesoft.com/img/10.0/mdkgalaxy2.pngWhen they first released Galaxy I wished that it would like this and now they did it, cool. 2004-03-11 10:45 am I admit, it’s entirely possible that I’ve suffered brain damage. This may seem like a troll to some folks here, but I assure you, that’s not my goal. Despite all of my terrible experiences with Mandrake, I decided to try this release. I am not any more impressed with this release than I have been with any other. Well, that’s not entirely true, this one didn’t crash five times on me during the install, nor at random five minute intervals thereafter. They get a point or three there. Proving to be at least as stable as Windows ME is a great accomplishment for them IMO.It still is bloated, slow, and as always, it looks like a toy. The fonts are terrible, the KDE menu layout stinks (I think it’s a Mandrake issue, and not a KDE one, I’ll have to check that), and they still insist on requiring three or more (!) CDs for a generic desktop install. Unacceptable. I’m not even going to get into the horrible configuration tools that it ships with. 2004-03-11 3:36 pm I´ve been using Mandrake since 8.0, and I must say that I´m impressed. Maybe my computer was blessed by angels or something, but I had no problems with stability here at my system, EVER. Maybe you own broken hardware, and you should not blame mandrake for this.Mandrake developers have improved speed and polishness since then. I´m greatly pleased by their effort. It seems that many other people thinks the same way.If you´re not trolling, why use such harsh words? 2004-03-11 4:28 pm I am a relative new Linux user. I worked my way up from Caldera in 1998 to RedHat, SUSE and tried Gentoo. Windows stayed my OS of choice thru all this. I ran 2000 and XP on my 2 home PC’s and 2000 at work.But I installed Mandrake 9.2 a few months ago and now I boot XP only to do work stuff at home. Mandrake made me a Linux believer. I did the bittorrent thing for the first time last night to get 10.0. The ISO’s are now waiting to be burned. Can’t wait to get home and install.I am gladly going to send Mandrake some money.Way to go Mandrake team! 2004-03-11 6:44 pm I can’t imagine what happened with your installation, but the fonts on my machine are far more beautiful than on any other machine I use. That includes various W2K, XP and Mac OS X boxes.As far as looking like candy, I’m not sure what you mean there either. This is a fairly plain distribution. The default taskbar is small and un-intrusive. The Mandrake Galaxy theme is pretty plain as well. I switch to Mandrake Galaxy Squared, and it’s really nice. I do wish I could find Plastic though .. (not installed on Upgrades?). 2004-03-11 7:24 pm “I feel sorry for the dialup users.”Me too, especially since I am one. But there’s hope for us:http://www.easylinuxcds.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=49_150_2… 2004-03-11 7:27 pm “It still is bloated, slow, and as always, it looks like a toy. The fonts are terrible, the KDE menu layout stinks (I think it’s a Mandrake issue, and not a KDE one, I’ll have to check that), and they still insist on requiring three or more (!) CDs for a generic desktop install. Unacceptable. I’m not even going to get into the horrible configuration tools that it ships with.”Guess it’s just different strokes for different folks. Happens to be my favorite distro, so I’ll try not to take offense. I don’t agree with your points, but I certainly can understand that different people have different preferences. 2004-03-11 9:54 pm Guess it’s just different strokes for different folks.God I hate that phrase, but I do agree with the sentiment, and hence your opinion there.I don’t agree with your points, but I certainly can understand that different people have different preferences.Well, the multiple CD install one I think is the most important. It’s really an issue of practicallity. Yes, I do have a fast CD burner, and yes, I do have a massive hard drive and a large pipe (Internet connection, don’t get funny . It is really a hassle for me to need all of those CDs for a basic install that FreeBSD (for example) provides on one. They could really stand to improve the way they make releases. It appears that they have fixed the stability issues though, and that of course is a good thing, and one less argument I’ll have against them if they keep it up. 2004-03-11 9:55 pm Mandrake uses the Bitstream Vera font set by default. This is about the only high quality free software font set out there and AFAIK it’s the same set of fonts all the other major distros use by default. It uses freetype2 and fontconfig as the rendering mechanism, again, the same as every other major distro. So I can’t see any possible legitimate complaint about Mandrake’s fonts. As for MDK’s menu structure, it was voted on very positively by the MandrakeClub membership, so I don’t see a problem with that either. Your other complaints are vague and useless.BTW, on GNOME 2.6, it won’t be in the “Official” release. Official is basically 10.0 plus whatever updates are out by the time it’s built. By Mandrake’s definition, updates are essential bug and security fixes. Certainly not entire new versions of major distribution components. 2.6 will go into Cooker and then into 10.1. 2004-03-11 10:00 pm Maybe you own broken hardware, and you should not blame mandrake for this.I am in a foul mood right now, and I’ve both heard this argument before, and have been sick of it for quite a while, but I’ll refrain from insulting you for the time being, for coming up with such an obvious potential issue.Nope, not hardware. I have too many computers that have had issues with Mandrake for it all to be faulty. Mandrake has to be the issue, or rather the issue I had before this release (another indication that it’s Mandrake). Lay off with the obvious people, if someone doesn’t get it, that’s their own damned problem. 2004-03-11 10:03 pm Mandrake uses the Bitstream Vera font set by default. This is about the only high quality free software font set out there and AFAIK it’s the same set of fonts all the other major distros use by default.The problem I’m having with it is the fact that (as you said) the other distro’s use it as well (as well as the BSDs) and the fonts have looked fine on them, but not Mandrake. Personal preference against some little tweak they’ve made perhaps, but there is a difference, and I find it irksome.*shrug* 2004-03-11 10:08 pm “It is really a hassle for me to need all of those CDs for a basic install that FreeBSD (for example) provides on one.”I can understand that. As somebody who’s stuck with dialup and is paying for the CDs, for me the more the CDs the merrier. All day long on this site I see people saying “Dude, I can’t download the ISOs” or “Dude, my machine crashed on install!” I’d rather spend the money and save myself alot of headaches. If I had to download and burn it all I wouldn’t be too thrilled. (I just bought FreeBSD 5.1 too and it’s also 3 CDs.) And as for the KDE thing, I use Gnome so it doesn’t apply to me. Can’t really say on the slow thing since I’m not sure what “fast” is (never tried Slackware or Gentoo).The only thing I was worried about was that issue with 9.2 where it was messing up CD-ROMs. 2004-03-11 10:12 pm To be clear, I have no issue with Mandrake’s existence (or of most other things for that matter). However, If I find issue with something about it, I’m not going to stay all hush hush, or beat around the bush with my complaints. I’m direct that way. Exposing these issues to a large enough audience so that the issues get addressed requires harsh words with no appologies.I mean, even if my words piss some Mandrake developer off to the point where they say “let’s show this asshole” and fix the problems, then not only I as an enthusiast benefit, but all of the regular Mandrake users would too, and they moreso than me.I’ve lived too long to think that pussyfooting around an issue will ever get it resolved. In an argument strong words are just as important as logic, as they get people’s attention. It’s just the way it works.