Home > KDE > KDE 3.2: Full sKale Release; Interview with George StaikosKDE 3.2: Full sKale Release; Interview with George Staikos Eugenia Loli 2004-03-20 KDE 24 CommentsRecently KDE 3.2 has hit the full-release stage. Previously, LinMagAU interviewed one of KDE’s chief programmers, George Staikos about the upcoming version.About The Author Eugenia LoliEx-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker.Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli 24 Comments 2004-03-20 7:24 am …are enough in themselves to consider 3.2 a success. It’s so great to see the fruition of the rewrite of Kdevelop. I followed its progress for years and always thought it had potential, but thought it was lacking in some fundamental areas(no smart indenting for the longest time). The whole plugin architecture has totally paid off thanks to the kickass KDE framework(Kparts rule). Kdevelop 3.0 is the first linux IDE that can be considered a worthy competitor to Visual Studio – I just need to figure out how to get Kvim embedded in it to use intellisense.I hope to see MonoDevelop give Kdevelop some good competition in the future. I expect Monodevelop to make rapid progress because they’re just porting Sharpdevelop(which is already a great IDE for c# and VB.NET). I hear they’ve already got a minimal source-level debugger running in it, which is pretty great considering the project only really started a couple months ago(Monodevelop that is). 2004-03-20 9:54 am “Kdevelop 3.0 is the first linux IDE that can be considered a worthy competitor to Visual Studio”You’ve obviously never used Kdevelop or Visual Studio.Kdevelop at this time is in no way a competitor for Visual Studio 5.0 from 1995/96.Kdevelop is loaded with bugs.Try to add a new file not residing in the default directory to the project and the problems begin.Kdevelop has very poor code-completion (intellisense) compared to the ’95 Visual Studio.The majority of KDevelop’s project templates aren’t runnable without errors, even the KDE-Application framework. A lot of them can’t be compiled.The debugger is a joke.The help system isn’t browsable as wanted cause of khtml errors.Etcetc…Kdevelop seems to be able to handle Java and other languages, but that’s only a theoretical feature.If talking about Java IDEs, Kdevelop has no chance against Borlands JBuilder Foundation, which is freely available.The gui is nice (with lot of errors of course, example: F7 key, you always have to press it twice), but Kdevelop is alpha quality software.That’s the truth.I know that Visual Studio always had some errors. But it’s useable in a professionel way since nearly 10 years. Kdevelop 3 isn’t. 2004-03-20 10:27 am I agree with you on some points but i find a Kdevelop a nice app wich in i made several application in a blink of an eye.I do not agree with you when you say the gui as lots of errors could you be more precise?, my help systems works fine, Kdevelop is stable and if i press F7 once the Project Options menu popsup. Could it be you build is incomplete?As for to compare to Visual Studio its to early Kdevelop has come a long way but if you want more mature IDEon Linux you might want to consider Kylix.Gambas (Basic) is nice to play with too its very handy for building small database apps. 2004-03-20 11:08 am The F7 key should start making the active project in KDevelop’s default settings. It usually has to be triggered twice.The help system isn’t browsable AS WANTED by the developpers. That’s because of an khtml error.I give you an example:http://www.derkarl.org/kdedocs/kmainwindow_8h-source.html#l00097Watch this page in Konqueror and another browser and you see the difference. Konqueror and Kdevelop are both based on khtml and therefore show the same errors in viewing html content. 2004-03-20 11:46 am >Watch this page in Konqueror and another browser and you see>the difference. Konqueror and Kdevelop are both based on>khtml and therefore show the same errors in viewing html>content.I watched the page in the kde 3.1 & kde 3.2 konquerors, Mozilla and FireFox i did not see any difference could you be more precise? 2004-03-20 11:47 am Above is my comment.. 2004-03-20 11:53 am ?! didn’t get it. in konqui 3.2.1 and the pointed page renders just fine… 2004-03-20 12:54 pm >Kdevelop at this time is in no way a competitor for >Visual Studio 5.0 from 1995/96.lol don’t get me started on it.>Kdevelop is loaded with bugs.there r some bugs but every program has nothing special here.>Try to add a new file not residing in the default >directory to the project and the problems begin.what problems i have none maybe u dunno how to yo use the project manager.>Kdevelop has very poor code-completion (intellisense) >compared to the ’95 Visual Studio.u probaly ment vs+va cause VS as stand alone don’t have code completion at all>The majority of KDevelop’s project templates aren’t >runnable without errors, even the KDE-Application >framework. A lot of them can’t be compiled.again no problem here seems to me u have to check your distro if it doing install/upgrades as it should>The debugger is a joke.compare to what VS debugger ?VS debugger it’s the real joke here nothing usable . when i’m need to use vs for programming i always using outside debugger cause VS debugger it’s just a crap ,kdevelop has a good debugger just need few gui improvements (as it already have in cvs).>The help system isn’t browsable as wanted cause of khtml >errors.again seems like u have bad installation>Kdevelop seems to be able to handle Java and other >languages, but that’s only a theoretical feature.here i’m agree it’s better not to publish the java support at all>If talking about Java IDEs, Kdevelop has no chance >against Borlands JBuilder Foundation, which is freely >available.>The gui is nice (with lot of errors of course, example: >F7 key, you always have to press it twice), but Kdevelop >is alpha quality software.again it’s not problem at the progeam it’s problem at your installation.>That’s the truth.>I know that Visual Studio always had some errors. But >it’s useable in a professionel way since nearly 10 years. >Kdevelop 3 isn’t.VS few errorrs, let’s say a lot of errors but u right it’s still usable but it’s just not a good ide i’ve seen better so i hope kdevelop has a higher target , kdevelop 3 it’s the first release on the new base code and it’s seems like a very good start point. 2004-03-20 1:17 pm Well, since VC 5.0 was not even around in 1995/1996 it’s obvious you’ve never even used Visual Studio and the rest of your troll is irrelevant. 2004-03-20 2:29 pm The browser should jump automatically to line 97.@maorYour reaction is typical. I expected nothing else.But it’s no problem with my installation. It’s without doubts a better installation than most others.I don’t think there are much PROFESSIONEL developpers who would prefer Kdevelop over today’s VS.I (and I think most others, who know the IDEs) wouldn’t prefer KDevelop over VS 5.0 (apart from platform) because it’s simply to buggy and the debugger (of course it’s gdb) or one of my favourite features, code-completion: forget it with Kdevelop.Maybe the gdb has some special features, but using it for the main work means simply wasting your time.Your best sentence is the last“it’s seems like a very good start point”.A start point – that’s Kdevelop, but nothing else. 2004-03-20 2:36 pm I use VS.NET a LOT. It’s at the top of my most recently used in my start menu all the time.I recently installed KDevelop 3 under Slackware to port my SDL code to Linux and it was fine. Now it’s not so stable though – trying to create a new project with KDevelop now causes it to crash It’s a nice IDE and is becoming a worthy competitor for VS (it’s note quite there yet) but bugs like this really need to be fixed.Oh and I couldn’t find a way to get the automake list thingy up again after accidentally removing it 2004-03-20 3:50 pm <<You’ve obviously never used Kdevelop or Visual Studio. Kdevelop at this time is in no way a competitor for Visual Studio 5.0 from 1995/96. Kdevelop is loaded with bugs.>>So stop bitching and start coding. You don’t seem to “get” the whole thing behind open-source software. 2004-03-20 3:54 pm Erm, the fact that open source is partly a volunteer effort doesn’t make it immune to criticism, so shoosh. Everybody is quite fed up with your open sores losers trying to deflect criticism by saying “shut up and work on it instead”. Be a man and take it on the chin. 2004-03-20 4:23 pm >Your reaction is typical. I expected nothing else.just plain facts>But it’s no problem with my installation. It’s without >doubts a better installation than most others.just follow the the things u said>I don’t think there are much PROFESSIONEL developpers who >would prefer Kdevelop over today’s VS.here is a little secret no many willing to use anything else beside windows it’s hard for people to change habits but it’s not make anything less . let’s not forget there r developers who won’t use anything else beside emacs or vim and what can ? conclude from this, just plain nothing.>I (and I think most others, who know the IDEs) wouldn’t >prefer KDevelop over VS 5.0 (apart from platform) because >it’s simply to buggy and the debugger (of course it’s >gdb) or one of my favourite features, code-completion: >forget it with Kdevelop.> Maybe the gdb has some special features, but using it >for the main work means simply wasting your time.one thing that there is no doubt about it is that VS have a lame debugger, gdb is much better and has i said the gui in kdevelop3 missing some good stuf that gdb do>Your best sentence is the last>”it’s seems like a very good start point”.>A start point – that’s Kdevelop, but nothing else.no i quote very good start point don’t twist my words.and final thougt there r some people who can’t change habits maybe u r one of them, if u have a relevent criticism u can take it to kdevelop develoers they r very open to comments and willing to change thing if u can show somthing wrong. 2004-03-20 6:17 pm “Everybody is quite fed up with your open sores losers”While we’re speaking of things people are fed up with, how about taking discussions to the level of playground name calling. Any argument that has something like “M$”, or “open sores” in it might as well not be posted. Why should anyone actually care about the views of someone who begins their statement with the equivilent of calling someone a poopy-head. 2004-03-20 8:17 pm All arguments for VS vs. Kdevelop are null and void. You use Kdevelop for KDE apps and VS for Windows apps. They will in no way ever be competitors. They will both survive for years to come. 2004-03-20 8:23 pm even sharpdevelop is better than Kdevelop. 2004-03-20 9:52 pm it’s not my main desktop, but it’s really come along Props for continuing work on freedesktop standardizing! 2004-03-20 10:14 pm Not really, because people coming from the windows world want something that is not Emacs or Vim and if Kdevelop gives something that is similiar in ways then that’s a good thing. 2004-03-21 3:42 am All I know is visual studio is going BACKWARDS in usability and annoyance factor. Using .net 2003 is worse than vs 6. It doesnt autocomplete com smart pointers!!! agh! and the damn thing takes 100mb virtual+, crashes, sometimes doesnt reload projects after getting latest version from sourcesafe, I hate ide project settings trying to manage settings for 20 dlls….rather just be using vim and autoconf, ides suck shit 2004-03-21 3:55 am If you can’t spell acceptably, don’t post.There’s no point in making an argument when every second word is spelled wrong or is some childish insult. I would advise you to learn some basic writing skills before trying to convince anyone of your views. PROFESSIONEL, u r, open sores losers, M$, etc. 2004-03-21 7:22 am 🙂I really like vs.net, infact kdevelope really needs something like Visual Assist, i just cant work with out its features now. 2004-03-21 1:02 pm ” I really like vs.net, infact kdevelope really needs something like Visual Assist, i just cant work with out its features now.”Yes, you can. You need to get out of this self-gratification model and learn to love the code for its own sake.Sacrifice anything for it. Love your code and you will write the best code you have ever written. Don’t think productivity, think art, then you will see your productivity skyrocket. 2004-03-22 2:12 pm KDE 3.2 is an excellant upgrade for the money (free!), and it must be said that Visual C++ was a bear to use, and .Net is worse. VB 6 was alright, but only because they ripped off Borland’s interface from C Builder. While KDevelop might lack a few minor features is is very easy to use and manage projects with. In programming, as all seasoned programmers know, less is often more. If you do a cost comparison KDevelop wins out every time. It is free and does all a developer needs. Microsoft’s offerings continually become more bloated with useless features. On the contrary Microsoft’s games are usually well designed with a low system overhead, but thier development/office software has become old and bloated.