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Is Haiku-OS a successor of OpenBeOS? You ve changed the name, and changed the goals. It was “to re-implement and then extend BeOS R5 for Intel Architecture 32bit compatible machines”. Now it suffered a form of idiocy (read their new goals by yourself).
I have to agree the goals feel pretty non-saying and stupid.
I read the goals-nothing idiotic about wanting an easy to use but powerful OS
What’s wrong with the goals?
They seem perfectly sound to me. The goals remind me of (of course) the old BeOS and SkyOS.
Nice announcement about the name change. Found only one story relating to it… but no “OpenBEOS changes name to Haiku”?
Haiku… isn’t that a form of odd poetry or something?
This is too early in the morning for me.
Welcome from under your rock, Charlie
Wasn’t there a group called the Neo-Programmers collective that used to have lots of BeOS tutorials?
The goals remind me of (of course) the old BeOS and SkyOS.
They don’t remind you of the goals of Syllable though? *sigh* Hellooo people, functional Open Source desktop operating system with good hardware support? Anybody heard of it recently? Anybody? Anybody? Bueller?
Do the Syllable developers need to get on a table and dance before anybody will take any notice around here?
Back on topic, I don’t see why they had to re-write their goals like that. “Clone BeOS R5” is a perfectly acceptable goal; why confuse matters?
There is the news topic “OpenBeOS Becomes Haiku” http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7423 in the related articles list…
If some people don’t know what a Haiku is, how can you assume the whole world would understand what reimplementing BeOS meant?
And also, Origami-OS would be funny, but it might be tempting fate just a little too much. I think Haiku is a good name.
” “Clone BeOS R5″ is a perfectly acceptable goal; why confuse matters?”
I’ll give you three reasons
1) lawsuits
2) lawsuits
3) lawsuits
Can’t Osnews start using a Haiku graphic icon instead of the BeOS icon for related news? I know the graphics exist. It seems that it would be more appropriate.
From who? Have Palm indicated, at all, that they would sue Haiku? Even Microsoft havn’t made any legal noises about WINE, so why would Palm try to stop Haiku? If legal problems were the reason, does that mean that Haiku is no longer aiming to be R5 binary & source compatible? When did the Haiku developers anounce that?
Hm, what is wrong with goals? Every BeOS user knows that they want to recreate BeOS, for new users which didn’t try BeOS, the goal “to recreate BeOS” says nothing, so goal is quite good. If you don’t think that these goals good, you will have a chance to make a new distribution from it with new goals.
That is probably the funniest thing I’ve ever read on OSNews. Thanks for the laugh.
They don’t remind you of the goals of Syllable though?
You do know what Syllable’s design is largely based on, right?
It appears not eveyone knows about the name change so adding “formally known as OpenBeOS” to the top of the website might be a good idea, at least for the mean time.
You do know what Syllable’s design is largely based on, right?
What has the design got to do with the goals? Although yes, I do, and they might be similiar but Syllable isn’t bassed on BeOS and they’re not trying to copy BeOS. That has never been a goal of AtheOS or Syllable. Syllable has plenty of features that are not part of BeOS.
All of this is really getting off topic though. This thread is about Haiku.
From the first paragraph of the FAQ section (http://haiku-os.org/learn.php?mode=faq_normal)
“The goal of Haiku R1 is to be source- and binary-compatible with BeOS R5.”
That sounds pretty much the same.
are you not watching the SCO debacle. No one sues something until it has relevance. In other words if Haiku become popular then palm could would sue.
If your mission statement says we are copying you such and such systems then you really give the plaintiff (which would be palm) invaluable amunition.
In american anyone can sue anyone for any reason and the determining factor in who wins is not necessarily justice but often money. Who would bankroll Haiku’s defense? How long would it take? Years? of course they can still get sued but they’ve provided less ammuninition to the opposition.
first of all, about “make a new distribution with new goals”. it is the wrong way. to split programmers forces because someone isnt agree with sometwo in point three, page five. second of all, you cant assume that “every user” uses, knows, thinks etc. like the all others. we, users, are really different guys. so do you want to lower your user base cause your target are the ones who a time ago know that haiku was openbeos. I like openbeos and not skyos, zeta and so on for its name too.
first of all, about “make a new distribution with new goals”. it is the wrong way. to split programmers forces because someone isnt agree with sometwo in point three, page five. second of all, you cant assume that “every user” uses, knows, thinks etc. like the all others. we, users, are really different guys. so do you want to lower your user base cause your target are the ones who a time ago know that haiku was openbeos. I like openbeos and not skyos, zeta and so on for its name too.
“I like openbeos and not skyos, zeta and so on for its name too.”
Umm, the only thing SkyOS has in common with BeOS is it uses a slightly modified version of BeFS fo it’s native filesystem. I definately wouldn’t call it a BeOS distribution.
…considering the fate of Be Inc., shouldn’t they call themselves Origami-OS instead?
Best humor post so i’ve ever seen in 2+ years on OSnews. What a shame BeOS folded, but i hope Haiku recreates the poetry of the OS
The official story, FWIW, is that Kurt Skauen didn’t start AtheOS with the intent of making a BeOS clone, and neither do the current keepers-of-AtheOS (AKA Syllable) work towards that goal. At some point, though, Kurt must have taken a lot of inspiration from BeOS, or from the same places where the makers of BeOS found their inspiration: Kurt’s API, filesystem, directory structure, kernel/server/lib/language design decisions and target audience all bear a strong resemblance of BeOS even though stuff may work differently under the hood.
Crabgrass: Syllable is GPL. The (ex-)BeOS community wanted an MIT/BSD-like license. Plus, at the time OpenBeOS (now Haiku) was started there was no Syllable, only AtheOS. Kurt still wanted to do all the kernel coding himself, and in any case he wasn’t too happy about the Syllable fork, AFAIK. I have no idea what he thinks of Syllable today. That, IMO, is another matter completely. Both projects have come a long way, though Syllable, granted, is a whole lot more complete. People want[ed] to preserve binary compatibility with BeOS R5 so that the orphaned closed-source apps could live on.
So, in short, there were actual reasons for not choosing AtheOS/Syllable, and not merely a case of not-invented-here attitude.
“” “Clone BeOS R5″ is a perfectly acceptable goal; why confuse matters?”
I’ll give you three reasons
1) lawsuits
2) lawsuits
3) lawsuits”
How will there be lawsuits from a hobby os? I suppose there could be, but what would the purpose be?
I didn’t realize this was formerly OpenBeOS. I went to the website thinking it’s yet another fork. (I suppose fork is a bad term since it’s more “in the theme of BeOS” than anything else.) But it seems to me that there are too many BeOS “forks” and “clones.” Perhaps some of them should join forces rather than creating similar works. BSD has a nice balance at about 3 main forks, and several mini ones. I’d like to see BeOS take off again, frankly linux is becoming a bit of bore and too cliche.
Somewhat off-topic perhaps, but now Haiku has a logo shouldn’t it be used instead of the Beos one ?
XMP go to http://www.BeUnited.org, at the moment there are only five forks of BeOS, one closed completely and the rest open in one way or another. Does not seem like too many to me. Plus these forks are test some of the claims out there that we should start completely over or use the LINUX kernal.
They aren’t really forks, since they don’t start from a common code base, but anyway, the five clone-attempts out there *are* distinctive. If you read what each one is trying to do, and *how* they’re trying to do it (i.e., what their guiding philosophy is), they’re all different, otherwise there would be less. Haiku is the only one that’s both open-source and trying to recreate R5 in the first place. I think the way they’re doing it is also the legally safest route, since they refuse to use code that might “legally contaminate” the project. The goals under “our goals” are just in general.
And you guys tell me to read the FAQ first…
Kev