Yoper Linux V2 has been released. It includes “leading edge technology enhancements using Linux Kernel 2.6.7, bolstered with performance patches, innovative prelinking, Win4Lin support, VMware support, VMware module integration, NVIDIA 3D support, ReiserFS 4, Secure SHell File System, CDROM Supermount and NdisWrapper for Windows binary driver integration.”
How are these claims to speed?
Menu Intelligence
Install Difficulty
Font Rendering
http://www.yoper.com/comparison/desktopcomparison.html
Also.. what was used to measure this claim? All I see is a bunch of numbers with no proof on how they got them.
Come on guys… If you want to make bold statements like that, please provide the proof.. and not numbers with no proof of their measurment.
heh! a lot of distributions of linux, but why and for what? the people do something when they think there is a need in that thing. and no there is still no distro which I want. I want it is max 100 Mb, no GUI, minimum of networkin and the last gnu compilers collection. and for PowerPC.
… but nothing special; Every distro will supply you with the latest stuff when their next whatevery-monthly point-release is due… Yoper is only the first this time round to introduce the latest gadgets. Though I will give it a go tomorrow, looks like an interesting toy.. 🙂
“. I want it is max 100 Mb, no GUI, minimum of networkin and the last gnu compilers collection. and for PowerPC. ”
Debian/Gentoo???
Some of the items this include are fairly different including Reiserfs4 support. I have yet to see one distro with support for that included so that’s very neat. Also some apparent performancing patching and the some level of Windows compatablility which makes it fairly neat. May be worth examining more closely at least.
Having the NDIS wrapper in there is pretty nice _if_ it could do some magic at install time to get the thing up and running. I don’t even know if they carry the windows drivers on the CD though.
How are these claims to speed?
Menu Intelligence
Install Difficulty
Font Rendering
Unlike your CPU you can’t complete 100 million + a second IMV those items are very relevant.
100 milion + operations.
Uncheck just about everything upon installing SuSE and you will go with 100 MB… 😉
The platform and repeatability is easily ascertained,
Menu intelligence, font rendering, etc. is in the category of look and feel, however, it greatly effects user speed as a result of 1. Locating critical programs,quickly, 2.Visibility of your page, less misspelling, thus higher productivity, and 3. graphic quality, creating harmony to the user, thereby enhancing his mood, and operating at a higher level.
All contributing to the overall speed in a clustered, or
power user scenario……
As for the Methodology used for memory allocation disk reads,
etc. It is clearly spelled out. Available at the http://www.yoper.com
frontpage.
cheers
“Some of the items this include are fairly different including Reiserfs4 support. I have yet to see one distro with support for that included so that’s very neat.”
Actually, Peanut Linux 9.6 ( http://www.peanutlinux.net/ ) has had Reiserfs4 for a month or two.
Other than that, Yoper looks great.
maximum isn’t minimum. I am bout that I can’t download 600 Mb within a single day! and why to include with *every* distro full WinX with 5 clients? p.s. debian is huge, gento installs thru internet. none of this are suitable for me.
>http://www.yoper.com/comparison/desktopcomparison.html
Now, that is the lamest statistics I’ve ever seen.
Slackware is the slowest and Mandrake is the ugliest, while Debian is the last one on the list
This just makes them look silly to publish jokes like that. Just take a look at their screenies.
They have a ton of things to improve and yet they spread FUD.
Sigh
You’ve got to hand it to these fellows, they rely believe in what they r doing. I tried yoper when it first came out, and this version is the best yet, by a long shot. I’ve tried just about every linux I can think of, and this one is very fast. Fastest? dunno, but it is way faster than any I’ve tried, and i was just loving mandrake 10. Too bad, though, it is very stripped down compared to Mandrake 10, but the speed is intoxicating. more of a speed increase on my box than going from 512mb to 1 gb of ram. try it , and you’ll see. Very nice. Perfect? Not hardly, but then if we wanted perfect we would stick to mainstream, popular distro’s. I love the diversity that is Linux.
You should have a look at Damn Small Linux (http://www.damnsmalllinux.org). It fits into 50mb.
I don’t think these ‘tests’ and their results should be taken too seriously – it was just a post from one of the users, playing with various distros. This is not an official legal document, nor a scientific paper.
As for the distro itself, I installed it yesterday and so far I find it quite nice. Yes, it is quite fast – the sort of performance one gets from Arch, or source based distros. Booting is very slow on the other hand. On my machine it takes a full minute from Lilo to KDM screen! But once up, things are moving along nicely.
Yoper now uses apt with rpms, so adding programs is simple.
It is also apparently possible to install Gentoo’s emerge, but I think one package management mechanism is enough for me, and so far I found everything I wanted in apt repository. (including amarok, yay)
Also, Yoper uses Sax2 from Suse for their video set up. It did a good job for me, detected all it needed to and gave me nVidia drivers out of the box, too.
All in all, extravagant claims aside, it is quite a decent distro.
It might be a decent distro, but I’m already turned off by the arrogant feel of their webpage. Not gonna bother with this distro.
“the V2 is the fastest Óut -of-the-Box Linux system in the World”
Ugh. spare me the bullshit.
And their KDE menu looks exactly like mine on standard debian. I was expecting some radical new organization after their extravagant claims.
The whole site feels like it was developed by some cheesy marketing firm.
Some of the items this include are fairly different including Reiserfs4 support. I have yet to see one distro with support for that included so that’s very neat. Also some apparent performancing patching and the some level of Windows compatablility which makes it fairly neat. May be worth examining more closely at least.
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There’s a reason why you pretty much only see Reiserfs4 support in toy distros like this one.
Reiserfs4 is basically buggy code that no one with any sense would actually use with important data.
As for the “Windows Compatablility” of this distro:
Bleh.
Not looking forward to “Reviews” of another Linux distro done by people who don’t what the heck they are doing or “reviewing”
I was tired of windows and started looking into Linux-land about a year ago. My windows was max tweaked and I wanted a challenge/learn new stuff. Yoper was about to hit v1.0 and I was very excited about it “wow, optimized!!” but then it turned out they wanted money for it. Did they change? I was so turned off I decided to install Gentoo instead – why do it the easy way when you can do it the hard way?
I ran Yoper 1.0 and 1.1, no charge. I’m not sure what you speak of.
Had problems installing 2.0 RC3 otherwise I wouldn’t be using Slackware10 right now. It is S L O W compared to Yoper in my experience.
http://www.crux.nu
200MB, but you don’t need it all, obviously
To compare various distros on speed is fair and was done in a professional manner by someone who knows its stuff.
Yoper is free and is apt/rpm based now and has a real community behind it and not just me.
It is not just a thin linux but a full blown distro
The Yoper team is not arrogant just knows for a fact that we are fast, even though all normal apps are there.
Well, I just remember a riot in the forums when v1.0 shipped, the mods opted to delete/remove abusive threads but I think they made them available later on.
Seems things got different, I’m happy
Good luck.
speaking about reiserfs4, does anybody know when we can finally expect in in the vanilla kernel? What is taking them so long? The ‘Reiser4 is in final testing, and will ship soon’ statement is on Namesys website for ages…
It should be noticably faster than reiserfs3 so I’d really use it.
About yopher: looks great, but they could learn something about the menu layout from Mandrake! Look at the startmenu on their screenshots how ugly it is.
Hi
I try out this linux and found it really poor I was able to boot in to linux because it lilo loader does work at all and will not install. I have been able to install all other linux this first linux I have had issue with lilo and I found this really poor. Also it’s install is really poor. Only good part is it default to austrlia where I am what i found good. and it is faster (on installer any ways) then others. I’m get a little sick and tied of linux as with linux most bug are not fixed. like for e.g Dell Bug for i845 that is in just about all linux today have this issue. Why can’t this bug be fixed it would be easy. How can you say microsoft is bad with bugs and issue if with linux none of bug get fixed. at last microsoft make work around. I would like to see one linux can be install with out install fixes and bug fixes and updates. I think you need to learn from apple & microsoft.
Since it troubles you that I did not put my name in my post, my name is Michael… Like it changes anything to do with my comments.
Downloaded it last night for free, replaced Mandrake 10 on a computer I plan to give to a friend with it this morning. SaX seems to have been confused a bit (this is a PC-Chips 810LMR with the onboard SiS graphics overriden by an nVidia AGP card), but after I nudged it in the right direction, everything works, and while I can’t say for sure that it’s not the power of suggestion at work, it _feels_ faster than the Mandrake installation it replaced.
Hi,
I ran Mandrake 10 some weeks ago, Suse 9.1 personal.
Vector feels faster, although.
Lilo detected my windows ntfs partiton, everything is working.
Don´t compare Desktop ready to use distros like those mentioned above with arch / crux / gentoo.
Of course they are more powerful, you can and have to setup many things by hand.
Of course you can tweak your kernel and keep it up to the minimum so that it boots under 10 seconds. And ?
Vector detects all my hardware, sax2 configures my graphic card, fonts are very well rendered.
I don´t want to do “emerge world” and have to wait for 8 hours to get openoffice working in my preferred language.
Vector is optimized, yes. Arch / crux / gentoo also.
When the latest kde packages is out, hundred of gentoo users emerge it and are proud of it that they did it with gcc optimizations which will make it even faster. 0,0001 ms or something like that. Think about it, gentoos.
And of course, whether I pacman -Syu or apt-get upgrade, it will update my packages to the latest ones available.
I installed yoper and configured it in about 1 hour. Then I could work with my applications.
Don´t forget why you tried linux. Is it to play with your configurations or is it to work with ?
If you would like to compare distro performance from a sight-and-see perspective, try deploying Linux using Virtual PC on a Windows XP host.
Virtual PC does a good job of turning almost any Linux distro into a glob of slow moving goo. Much to my surprise, Yoper was almost useful in terms of performance in VPC (host machine has 1.5g ram, dedicated 384mb to Yoper) and as such I am inclined to believe that Yoper is indeed a speedy little distro.
What puzzles me is the negative attitude that seems to exist toward the Yoper folks. Their website seems fine to me, and their product seems fairly decent too. I don’t know about this $100 price tag for their distro I keep hearing about via a cursory Google search, but I also don’t recall anyone getting angry about Libranet (who also make a nice distro) charging for their product.