OSNews reader “Cal” was very kind to let us know the answer to the question we posed last week about the embedded version of Konqueror. Read more about the problem, the solution and view screenshots.Apparently, all pre-July 2004 versions of Konqueror found on Opie, OpenZaurus or Qtopia send a blank user agent and so web sites can not serve the right mobile pages to these PDA users with the limited 240×320 screensize. The new, fixed user agent that’s sent is: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/2.2.2; QtEmbedded/240×320) (keywords here are “QtEmbedded” and “240×320” when our web pages try to decide if they should serve the desktop or mobile version of OSNews).
OpenZaurus/Opie/Qtopia users who use Konqueror, should upgrade to the latest OpenZaurus 3.5.1 which contains a fixed Konqueror (source snapshot here for the users of the commercial Zaurus OS or for those who can compile it themselves).
Cal was also very kind to send us screenshots of the fixed Konqueror that correctly displays the mobile version (demo) of OSNews: first, second, third.
As for the GTK+ desktop of OpenZaurus, GPE, Colin Marquardt was kind to open a ticket on their bug database to fix the Dillo web browser –which is plagued by a similar problem– to send a more meaningful user agent (currently it just sends the same as the desktop version, the very plain “Dillo/8.2”) so we can serve it the right mobile pages as well.
Nice to see you eugenia talking about zaurus. I have an zaurus SL-5500, i will install the new version of openzaurus 3.5.1 to take a look to the new version of it.
Also i expect http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/ update their website with the new version:)
I would not be that optimistic. A quick look here:
shows that the site hasn’t been updated for a long long time.
I did my deed though and updated the text in the wiki and uploaded a new screenshot too. Hopefully they will update the site soon with all these pending changes.
With SL models (5000/5500/6000) PDA is like having a powerfull server (WWW/FTP/MYSQL/…) or a desktop computer (with hancom office) in your hands! Also you can plug compact flash digital cameras, network card, modems, wifi, etc. It could also be used with GPS. And it have keyboard integrated:)
About operating systems, you have qtopia, openzaurus, debian, gpe, and others to install in your PDA!
Eugenia, It seems that website is the only portal of software where you can download software for zaurus. I would like anothers portals to zaurus software.
Well we can always join http://www.zaurususergroup.com/ community:)
If you want other OS alternatives, you can install gentoo in your zaurus:
I’m really happy with all the progress they’re making with OpenZaurus but what happened to tho stable and testing feeds?
http://openzaurus.org/official/ now shows unstable, experimental, and snapshot but, as far as I can tell, there’s no explanation for what they really are and, more importantly, where the old feeds went to.
I’m currently using Opie1.3 on a iPaq 3970, how can I get this new version of Konquerror? This update hit the iPaq 5th_toe feeds on the opie.handhelds.org site?
If not, can I use the OpenZaurus feeds on my iPaq 3970?
How can I get it on my Ipaq h5450?
From looking at the Konq embedded site listed in the OpenZaurus feed, it seems there hasn’t been any real updates to the source in a long time. The difference I can only assume comes from the openembedded team, and sence they are working on OZ 3.5 and higher, I dought you will see a version for older version of OZ.
To the best of my understanding, you cannont use a OZ feed on a iPaq. The good news is that the new OpenZaurus releases are made by a group working with handheld.org, so I would expect any of their improvments will filter back to other pdas as well.
I wouldn’t suggest the upgrade to 3.5.1 just yet. I’ve spent several huors working out bugs only to find that I have created as many as I fixed. I know several people on the OZ listserv have had great expirance, but just as many of us are still having problems. Its a great system, thats much faster and has a bunch of neat little bug fixes, but its alot of work to get set up sometimes.
What I don’t understand is why the Sharp Zaurus costs as much as a Win CE PDA. One would think with a free OS it would reduce the cost of the PDA significantly, since one of the major complaints about Win CE is that it costs too much (ie MS tax).
At one time I read that MS had reduced the bulk price of WinCE to about $5. That might explain it. Also the Z is a niche product. Its not built in as large of production runs, This limits its ability to take advantage of economies of scale.
I just went to the Konquerror embedded site, and found a link that points to a feed that is suposed to work with the Familiar distribution…
From the FAQ:
“There also exists a binary package of a konq/e snapshot (more or less regularly updated) for the iPAQ (cross-compiled as arm-linux) , for use with the Familiar Linux ipkg package system. Just add http://bolug.uni-bonn.de/files/konq-e/ as source to your /etc/ipkg.conf and after a ‘ipkg update’ a ‘konqueror’ package should be available for download/upgrade on your iPAQ. (note that it requires Qtopia >= 1.5)”
Well, it just happens that it deppends on qpe-base1.5 … a package that doesn’t exist on Opie. Since I got the latest unstable installed, and managed to run the Konqueror packed in the 5th_toe feed, I decided to ignore de dependencies and install it anyway…
Doesn’t work… just segfaults without even showing it’s interface.
that’s probably because you didn’t install its’ qpe-base dependency (there’s a reason it’s called a dependency).
Yes, PocketPC costs something like $3, with vanilla WinCE (has more features) costing $5-14. You don’t save much money with Linux. The Zaurus is often a lot more expensive than a WinCE PDA with similar features. A Toshiba e805, with built-in wifi and bluetooth, 400 MHz PXA255, VGA screen costs $450-500. A Zaurus SL-6000L, with no bluetooth, is $650-700. You can get an imported SL-6000W, with both wifi and bt, but that is $800- even from a cheap importer like pricejapan.com. No thumboard, but as someone who has owned a few PDAs with thumboards- SL-5500, SL-C760 and a Sony Clie NX70V, I can’t say they’re that useful. The Linux tax?
Bah- the Toshiba e805 doesn’t have bluetooth- sorry!
But there is no “qpe-base” package on the Familiar or Opie feeds! They should at least point where I can find these missing packages…
I have the impression that “qpe-base” is just an virtual package, depending on some libs and other packages… and these are already provided by “task-opie-minimal”(AFAIK).
So… maybe this konqueror is compiled against the official Qtopia release, instead of the Opie release.
~# ipkg install qpe-base –verbose-wget
Cannot find package qpe-base.
Check the spelling or perhaps run ‘ipkg update’
Nothing to be done
An error ocurred, return value: 4
The whole point and the importance of such release, is it being built using the new building system: Open Embedded.
It is able to build rom images to the Zaurus, IPAQs, SIMPADs, etc, and any other embedded device you want to add to it.
Check out http://www.openembedded.org
You know, I just thought of this, but linux is(was?) probably more expensive then WinCE. Sharp had tolicence the Qtopia GUI from somewhere… something that would have come from from MS in the base price. Add to that the licence for the lineo embedded version of linux sharp used, and if could have added up to quite a bit more then wince.
You don’t really need to buy a Zaurus… see, a old iPaq from eBay will do the trick.
Anything that has a 3xxx model number will fit… Even some monocromatic models work!
The most interesting thing in Zaurus SL models PDA is that they have keyboard integrated in PDA!
You must have one to fell the sensation of zaurus SL model compared to a ipaq:)
I don’t really care about these integrated keyboards… they’re just too small, and fell unconfortable to me.
My iPaq came with a foldable keyboard, with rubber keys… it just doesnt feels like a “real” keyboard… and I fell more confortable with the Stylus input.
The only keyboars that I’ll consider buying (once their prices drop here at Brasil) are the ones from Targus that look like notebook keyboards…
… Now, that USB Host port, that come with the newer Zaurus, this I could use!
If you don’t like the zaurus keyboard you can use any infrared keyboards in zaurus, so that isn’t an excuse to not use zaurus PDA, you don’t need to use the USB host port.
Actualy I was wondering about using things like USB-Drives and such things…
Using a USB keyboard never passed trough my mind… and the Targus keyboard I mentionated is the IR model.
But… I have a good excuse not to buy a Zaurus, I live at Brazil and there is no place here to buy one… And, the USA online stores wont send it to me too.
So, all I have is my iPaq.
I buyed my zaurus in ebay:) you can buy yours also there.
Yes, it would be lovelly to have that kind of USB that allow us to print using usb, use usb drives, use usb scanners, etc…