Microsoft’s Macintosh Business Unit launched Virtual PC for Mac Version 7. Then, a Hawaiian company specializing in streaming video introduced CherryOS, a virtual PC that mimics the hardware of a G4 Mac. CherryOS inventor Arben Kryeziu, a software developer who got tired of carrying both a Mac and a PC all over Hawai, is confident the computing world will find value in his innovation. However, questions remain if his CherryOS is simply a modified PearPC. Update: An interesting conspiracy theory has been posted here.
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Is this thing real or what???
Old news…You guys are getting slow.
The article was posted today at 9:58 PDT (17:58 UTC).
How can something posted 18:11 UTC be old news? “Yeah, that article is like, so last hour”…
It seems to me that if this was real they would at least have *SOMETHING* on their webpage. Their faq is a mailto, for crying out loud. It seems pretty obvious to me that they are just mocking people or trying to market their video player … or both.
I mean how hard would it be to put up some pictures or something?
I don’t get why people keep posting articles and talking about CherryOS and nothing has even been released to show it actually exists.
Some of the early screenshots of CherryOS were posted on the [H]ard|OCP forums and they looked exactly like a modified PearPC (had the same empty white bar at the top like every build since PearPC 0.2 has had). Until CherryOS is more than just a website and screenshots, I will assume it’s just that.
http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,65323,00.html?tw=wn_story_mail…
How real do you need it to be? Get a life people…
I don’t think any questions remain about whether Cherry OS is fake or not. It’s quite obviously fake, and this article credulously cites the rip-off artist responsible as if he hadn’t been accused of copyright theft before. I stopped reading the article at the word ‘loose’.
http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=126148&cid=10559872
More compelling:
http://wiredblogs.tripod.com/cultofmac/index.blog
It is pretty old news, sorry…
http://www.macworld.com/news/2004/10/12/cherryos/index.php
is because it’s pearpc repackaged (and broken). And Pear PC does exist.
Can you say “GPL violation”?
Sure you can… I know you can…
Yes, it’s old news just like the last Ubuntu article. I see the new posts pop up on my RSS Reader and I feel like I’ve been put back in time a couple weeks.
I need it to be more real than that.
If you’d read the first sentence of that article, it says that the company claims to have developed this. Then it runs a short interview with the developer. Not much in the way of evidence there.
PPC emulation is incredibly difficult to do and I very much doubt this guy has done it any better than the PearPC developers, if he even does have an emulator that isn’t based on the PearPC code. Therefore I am instantly skeptical until I am proven wrong.
Read this while you’re at it:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/18/2137253
That article is just the “creator” claiming that he’s telling the truth. I’ll believe it when I can download a demo and try it myself.
“PearPC developers who have seen CherryOS have confirmed it is a fraud.”
‘nuf said.
and this is y i love open source and the gpl. when sum moron does try and steel sumthing an pass it off as his own the entire community chases them down with torches an pitchforks. simply awsome
Other than the specific advantages PPC/OSX have over X86/Windows, no, there is no difference. Each platform has its advantages and emulation isn’t one of them anymore. Both manage zeros and ones, they just do it in a different way, but both work perfectly well. Competition is good.
PearPC does exist and it works beautifully. X86 emulation is faster on PPC because a) it’s been around longer and b) it’s easier to accomplish.
Do you people actually take things posted on slashdot seriously? It is the most biased and untrustworthy news/forum site even when compared to CBS.
As for CherryOS, if it runs anywhere near as fast as it claims to I am getting a copy. PearPC does not come close to cutting it.
I used yahoo (google didnt work) and I checked their cache for contact info. There is an 800 number that really doesnt have a message. Something like “leave a message, beep”.
I called a couple of times durning prime time biz hours and just got voice mail. So this leads me to believe that this is just a hoax. More of a publicity stunt.
Rule number 1 if you are going to try to steal someone elses work:
At least change the output strings and variable names… Duh… It’s obvious that this is rip of PearPC.
Get real the CherryOS, if it even exists, is a rip off of PearPC. So don’t waste your $50 just yet.
And I don’t take the articles on slashdot as real as I take the reports from the folks who made PearPC. They have a crediable backing, especially since they have a working product and one can download it and the source to see it run.
I can see Arben now saying “If I had a dime for ever lie I said, I would be rich!”. nuff said..
Seems like the guy is on to something. It would not surprise me in the least bit that someone would rip off GPL’ed code and put their name on it. All he really has to do is fool a few people into buying CherryOS at $50 to make a pretty good chunk of cash before he is found out. Besides who investigates copyright fraud in regards to the GPL? He has a pretty good racket setup it seems.
so finally i will be able to play Duke Nukem Forever on a Phantom gameconsole under emulated OSX!!!
ooooh yeah.
Becaus once your found out, you pretty much can never touch a computer again. Also If you read teh very last line of the update conspiracy theory, other people are begining to investigate him. If he runs, he is known to have lied, if he stands behind his work, he stands a chance of being correct, but if he is wrong his entire life is ruined. As the courts can take future earnings.
“As the courts can take future earnings.”
The guy is from Yugoslavia. No American court can touch him if he goes back there.
No but European courts can go after him.
At least in countries with similar copyright laws.
Then again if he runs it is a statment of guilt. Meaning he has to create a new Idenity, Something that can’t be traced back.
Yeah I’ve run PearPC on a 3.2GHz P4, and this is the funny part, the About this Mac actually states it’s a 1.2GHz G4. LOL So he’s only going on what is laid before him this is direct proof to me that CherryOS is PearPC cause he’s getting the same results in emulation, except I now run a 1.25GHz G4 and I know for sure that PearPC doesn’t even scratch the surface not even 1/5 the speed.
sure, CherryOS is old news, and OSNews already posted an initial story about it when it first surfaced. This story isn’t “WOW! CherryOS EXISTS!”, it’s a link to a story about CherryOS and emulation in general. That’s a perfectly normal link for OSNews to make, why the fuss?
Just like they procecute all the Russian guys that run various scams or hack into systems. Or how about all the copyright infringment that goes on in china and the middle east. No one cares really.
Has the GPL ever been tested in court? I don’t think so. And I don’t think it will be here either.
This is just dumb…both the fact that people are arguing about the reality that it is a rip-off – and that OSNews is giving the guy more publicity than he deserves. Shame on you OSNews!
Well, Don’t know if you’ll consider an injuction again someone who violated the GPL as being tested in court, I would.
http://www.linuxworld.com/story/44515.htm
Your probably correct. Assuming CherryOS is in fact PearPC, it’s such a clear case of copyright violation that there’s no reason for the court to even discuss what licensing terms PearPC uses.
Remember, the GPL is the only thing that gives you any right to use or distribute somebody else’s GPLd software. So if the license for some reason is invalid, you have no rights (i.e. “All rights reserved”).
Did you even read the article? It goes on and on about how CherryOS is going to bring competition to Apple. Lets get real, there is no CherryOS. Opps there is and it’s called PearPC, nice fraud Arben. The person who wrote that article should be shot for not doing their research before writting it.
This is not the first time Arben has been caught in a lie. And not the first time he has been caught stealing GPL code and trying to pawn it off as his own code.
I wouldn’t be surprise if the VX30 video/audio codec he claims to have developed is yet another rip off of someone else’s code. If it wasn’t for the obfuscated java code in the player, one could tell easily. I give him credit for at least once covering his stealing tracks.
This was a Slashdot acticle three days ago:
http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/04/10/18/2137253.shtml?tid=179&tid=…
Seems pretty clear this is a rip-off, but by all means get the word out.
SPIRO MULTIMAX 3000!!!
Good GPLd code is out in the world, and people seem to think that it won’t be the subject of scams and people passing it off as their own work?
no…no, we think that it *shouldn’t* be. is there a problem with that?
Well to me the whole situation makes this look like a rip off of PearPC. The real question is if it isn’t a fraud Apple will be in a little trouble regarding hardware sales. This is actually a good thing because if will force them into exploring x86 emulation. Think about it they might even GPL it and we can finally get better windows emulation for linux.
Just my 2 cents
Oh, how I love those “technology expert” fairy tales… and again, it’s Rob Enderle, our favourite storyteller, who knows everything about the world of IT… it always cheers me up.
But programs from companies like CherryOS and Transitive are a sure threat to Apple.
ha ha ha. Companies like Maui X-Stream (or as a technolgy expert, let’s just call the CherryOS (just as the company who makes Microsoft is called Windows, and the OSX thing is called, er, MacOS, isn’t it?)) are just a legal threat to themselves for violating licenses. Whatever.
Rob Enderle, principal analyst with the Enderle Group, told MacNewsWorld that Apple could perceive virtualization software like CherryOS as a legitimate danger.
He already said that when some company presented a “universal emulator”, which turned out to be concepted more like an application layer with an additional CPU emulator (and for some reasom they only ran portable open source software to demo it). We’ve never heard from that company again. Go go go, Enderle Group!
The SkyOS guys are often accused of disrespecting the open source community, but the never violated any license. They even contributed back the modifications which they had made to OpenBFS, even though it is MIT-licensed.
I wonder if Apple would try and give some money to lawyers to go after this guy (probably via the FSF), if the software is in violation of the GPL.
Of course the GPL has never been tested, and since this guy is in eastern Europe it’s probably a moot point anyway.
CherryOS inventor Arben Kryeziu, a software developer who got tired of carrying both a Mac and a PC all over Hawai, is confident the computing world will find value in his innovation.
1.) You could also say PearPC thieve.
2.) That group of islands happens to be spelled “Hawaii”. Whatever.
3.) How stupid do you have to be – assuming he’s really just tired of carrying two notebooks – to use the x86 laptop and drop the light, slim Apple notebook with longer battery life? I assume he could have also taken the Mac and just steal QEMU’s code.
And those “conspiracy theories” rather seem like strong indications, if not even proof that Arben violated the GPL and copyright law to me.
Of course the GPL has never been tested, and since this guy is in eastern Europe it’s probably a moot point anyway.
AFAIK the company is based in Hawaii. He’s just of eastern european origin.
CherryOS EXISTS, people have confirmed that, including PearPC developers and others.
CherryOS IS a RIPOFF of PearPC. CherryOS falls victim to a timing bug, exactly the same one that PearPC had a few versions back. CherryOS uses a complete nonsense term in one of their variables, “SPIRO MULTIMAX 3000”. This term was in PearPC first, and as I said is nonsense. The chance that the CherryOS fellas thought up the same nonsensical name is slim to none. Many other variables and stuff are identical. The start up sequence for CherryOS looks exactly the same, other than the GUI surrounding it.
CherryOS doesn’t support 80% of host speed, in fact they’ve retracted that statement. They were more than likely being idiots and going by what “about this mac” says, and as PearPC users know, it isn’t exactly accurate.
So let me get this straight, CherryOS exist, but its PearPC. So I guess that means, CherryOS doesn’t exist. But rather PearPC exist. Just trying to figure out your logic.
And as everyone else has said, CherryOS is a rip-off of PearPC. Which proves that Arben is a lying loser. And from his previous statement, Arben should now have his reputation totally destroyed. Time to give up computers Arben, maybe you can make it as a used car salesman. You seem to have the lying part down pat already..
“I think PearPC is great but the interface is shit so I’ve made a frontend for it and will release new versions as they release new source”.
Then he might have had admirers or at the worst neutral reactions all around. Instead he tried to be a crook and a thief. Naughty naughty.
heh. my x86 laptop is smaller and lighter than anything you can buy from Apple, and it’s four years old. admittedly, the battery life sucks, but the versions of it that have a Transmeta processor do a lot better.
http://www.plugincinema.com/plugin/equipment/reviews/sony_c1xs.htm
Arben is getting exactly what he wants, attention. Nothing more and nothing less. He wanted to stress test his Java streaming server and he got it done at our expense. It would only be a violation of the GPL if he released the product which he has not done and I doubt he ever will.
First I have emailed this guy twice and recieved no response, in fact the message even bounced back to me. When I was looking at his site I found some links missing. A 404 page showed up telling me IIS couldn’t find the page I was looking for. My question is why IIS? If this guy is a mac user and a slashdot reader why the hell would he be using IIS. He kept boasting about how great OS X was. Why not run apache on OS X? Why is he using IIS, our a hosting company that uses IIS? This software does not exist! Its nothing but some Visual basic code with pictures in it. Thanks for getting my hopes up you piece of shit.
Just because it’s a duplicate doesn’t mean it does not exist. It does add elements to PearPC, but that’s all useless GUI stuff for changing settings and profiles and the like.
I wish people would stop referring to GUI as “useless” stuff. GUI isn’t useless. GUI makes apps useable.
That what this guy did was wrong shouldn’t be confused with that.
Why is everything a goddamned “war”? Get over it.
CherryOS is bogus – the website no longer exists and all this happened 4 days ago already.
The OS X installer is quick (10-15 minutes, depending on old-new hardware), looks good and greets you after the reboot with a nice tune (I prefer the 10.2 version with Kruder & Dorfmeister) and some stunning looking (OpenGL) configuration steps which are also done in a minute.
Being the manufacturer of both the OS and the hardware makes the installer so quick I suppose. So the speed difference isn’t quite fair but this doesn’t make this installer less perfect.
I wish people would stop referring to GUI as “useless” stuff. GUI isn’t useless. GUI makes apps useable.
This is one of the problems that I have with most OSS. It is especially bad for changing settings. There should not be 3 different control panels to sift through in order to find how to change the desktop background. It is usually either that or having to edit a text file. ><
THERE IS NO F****NG CHERRY OS, period!!!!
It is not even a modified Pear PC. It is some Mac OS X screenshots, some Pear PC screenshots, some dummy GUI template to look like an installer and a crappy video.
GET OVER IT!!!!
It is not even a modified Pear PC.
The head-count of people who believe CherryOS isn’t erally just PearPC in disguise just went up to 2 (you & Arben).
Julian,
You’re totally right, Enderle is a total ass-clown.
“Kryeziu explaied that it was something they were looking into, but it was far from finished. They hade some thoughts of using FreeBSD, a free Unix-based operating system, the same OS that Mac OS X is based on.
Whatever. ”
He talks about this: http://osnews.com/phorum/read.php?f=2&i=3048&t=3048#reply_3048
from pear pc-people…
The head-count of people who believe CherryOS isn’t erally just PearPC in disguise just went up to 2 (you & Arben).
You are mistaken.
(a) semantically: Arben doesn’t really *believe* CherryOS isn’t really PearPC, he just says so. He *knows* that CherryOS is just a publicity prank, so there is no “belief” involved.
(b) While I *do* believe that CherryOS is not just PearPC in disguise, this is not in the sense that CherryOS is something genuine.
No, straigth and simple: I believe CherryOS DOES NOT EXIST in ANY FORM, other than some doctored screenshots (whether they are from PearPC or Mac OS X on PPC) and a video showing a guy moving a screenshot around pretending it is an actual window. Oh, that and a “manual”.
So there is *no* CherryOS, even in the “PearPC in disguice” sense.
hmm. on my GNOME 2.6 desktop, it’s as *HORRIBLY COMPLICATED AS*…
right click on desktop, select “Change desktop background”.
there, that wasn’t so bad, was it?
How about changing the resolution. BTW I did find that option after the fact but it was still annoying that there is 3 different control panels.
from the article:
“The latest development with CherryOS just magnifies Apple’s need to address the Mac community’s call for the ability to run both Windows and Apple applications on the same machine, Enderle said.”
I think that statement is completely false. Why? Because Apple already has an answer for this and has for years with Virtual PC which has emulated Windows very very well which I think shows the power of PPC RISC cpu’s. But what PearPC, CherryOS and this so called Intel experiment shows is PC users wanting the alternative OS of MAC OS-X not the other way around.
Now we Linux lovers (myself included) know that one can just install a fast *nix version such as Yoper or build Gentoo and have the fastest OS one has ever seen and then skin it to look like OS-X and you have a beautyful functional OS. But the problem still lies in software and hardware support. There’s two types of us *nix lovers, those who like a blend of proprietory and open source and those who want open source everything. This keeps Linux from gaining more needed momentum. On top of that is the shaky ground of patents with Linux and developers just don’t want to code commercially for Linux. So that gives one one other choice: OS-X. But being Linux lovers means we’re also tinkerers by nature and would rather build our own rigs which is what keeps us from buying Apple’s hardware.
In short, the market is there for Apple to make OS-X for PC and/or open up to clone making again. (I still contend that the flop in clone making in the past had to do with a sub par OS, and poor marketing to the oem’s.)