IBM increased its lead in a growing server market, nibbling away share from rivals Hewlett-Packard and Sun Microsystems, according to figures to be released Wednesday.
IBM extends lead in server market
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About 60,000 Nocona-based servers and 52,000 Opteron servers were sold, IDC said. About 60 percent of the Opteron systems run Linux, which supports the 64-bit extensions today, whereas most Nocona systems run 32-bit Windows, which won’t get 64-bit x86 support until 2005.
I find this quite hard to believe, considering the fact that Nocona processors were released only in June of this year
1) Why on earth would a person buy a Nocona-based when a Opteron system is not only cheaper but is technologically superior? I mean, one would have to have their head up their ass if they were still considering using Intel.
2) It would be nice if IBM made available an affordable POWER workstation like how SUN Microsystems has made their Blade 150 within the reach of the great unwashed masses.
3) RE: GS, regarding those figures, its easy to see considering the lemmings that are buying their Xeon servers are automatically buying a Nocona-based cpu already.
2) You mean like the IBM eServer JS20?
Not BS, even though a bit unsettling: IBM sells a shitload of Nocona Xeon based blades.
I am curious when will Sun’s really good Opteron-based pizzaboxes going to show up on the radar.
Sun is going to have a tough time with their boxes, no matter how good they are. You can’t spend decades trashing x86 (even with good reason) and then expect the market to accept it when you turn around and start selling the product you’ve been dissing all this time.
The “market” isn’t a person, and it sure as hello isn’t you. Stop projecting your own wishes and attitudes to the whole “market”.
One thing about the “market”: it only cares about convenience.
Now, if this report is factual (read the article), Windows servers are having a blast and are increasing marketshare dramatically. Think about that for a moment.
most of the time Sun trashing x86 they do on things like 32-bit vs 64-bit, or bigger pipe of UltraSPARC/bottleneck of traditional x86 cpus, also the scaling performance.
but Opteron is not a traditional x86.
it’s 64-bit, and it has HyperTransport (which why it clearly beats Xeon on more than 4 cpus systems on almost every benchmarks)
… may be this is also one of the reasons why Sun prefer Opteron over Xeon.
RE: Ami Gangull
No, actually, they’ve been trashing Intel for years, not the x86, and when they did slam Intel, it had to do more with the fact that Intel doesn’t have anything that can touch the requirements for the big end of town; POWER and SPARC, the only two architectures that mean a damn thing at the high end of town.
Itanium and HP-UX/OpenVMS? its a freak side show for those who haven’t looked at all the options available. The money wasted on an Itanium machine would be better spent acquiring an Opteron box loaded with Solaris or Linux.
RE: Tom
That is a server, I want a low cost workstation, using a POWER processor, running AIX. Is it so much to ask for an affordable workstation around the $1395 mark? I mean, does the POWER cost *that* much that they can’t cut the cost of production down so that the average person can purchase a POWER UNIX workstation without needing to mortgage the home?
“town; POWER and SPARC, the only two architectures that mean a damn thing at the high end of town. ”
or so you wish
or so you wish
I think his wish is more reality than anything. Itanium is dead in the high end or relegated to a very very niche supercomputer market. Now with POWER handily beating itaniums in almost all benchmarks, Power looks like a good bet going forward for even the ultra-niche super computer market. This market doesn’t rely on commercial Apps.
But the bigger server market relies heavily on App availability. Intel and HP pretty much put the nail on the coffin for anything lowend with itanium. Without the volume of the low-end ISVs are not going to find it profitable to port anything to itanium. SPARC and Power have a lot of Apps and ISV support. HP having killed PA-RISC and ALPHA in favor of itanium have pretty much destroyed any credibility in the high-end server market space.
Furthermore AMD64 and EMT64 are gaining volumes fast and even MS won’t port thier software to itanium. With out software to run a chip is a dead investment. Leaving only POWER and SPARC in the high-end.
hey my bro raptor take it easy, you dont need a power RISC workstation… if you want power/price you can buy the sun w2100z that is a HIGH END workstation.
on the other hand, if you want to play with a RISC workstation, there are a bunch of nice HPs visualize and Suns Blades over ebay
regards,
jays