Linux Compatible has published a review on Fedora Core 2 with 30 screenshots: “Fedora Core 2 is the latest release of Red Hat’s community supported Linux distribution. This release is available on 4 CDs (+ 4 CDs sources) or 1 DVD, and for x86-compatible (32-bit) and AMD64 (64-bit) platforms.”
Fedora Core 2 Review at Linux Compatible
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I mean are rpms for applications available to install on Fedora core 2 without dependency probs? or is it to early to install it and better go for Core 1?
Here is an extract from the installation notes :
Attempts to install Fedora Core 2 on ASUS® motherboards in the P4P800 series may not proceed past the “Uncompressing Linux… Ok, booting the kernel.” message, making installation impossible. No workaround is available at this time. For more information, monitor bug 121819.
Well, I’m stick with FC1.
How can they have released a distro not working on ASUS ?
What can we (ASUS owners) do ?.
You would be far better off using a distribution that is not Fedora or Mandrake. These are the two most bloated, buggy compilations of Linux software in the world, and are showing no signs of getting better.
Two many screenshots. They’re nearly same nowadays in all distros. It would be better to tell us how kernel 2.6 or SELinux would change our lives.
I really like the new speeds of kernel 2.6 in FC2. Mainline software (OpenOffice, Mozilla, even Samba configuration) work OK for me.
But now with kernel 2.6 I can’t install my smlink.com’s modem driver. It was so easy with kernel 2.4, but now the driver architecture changed and even after a successful compile I can’t get /dev/modem to work. Will be studying READMEs again and again…
“You would be far better off using a distribution that is not Fedora or Mandrake. These are the two most bloated, buggy compilations of Linux software in the world, and are showing no signs of getting better.”
Really!! I use mandrake 10 Official and it’s easily as fast as slack as far as performance and stability.. I know, I ‘ve used slack 9.1 and mandrake is far easier then SuSE 9.1… IMHO Fedora is a release festering in bugs and bloat… They basically let the happless masses do all the bug stomping and run away with the profits of their pain… Where as with some other distros.. You will recieve discounts for upgrading to a commercial release if you regg’ed as a beta tester.. Plus red hat likes to fork things alot instead of maintaining standards.. 🙁 Not trolling or flaming.. Just IMHO’ing 🙂
Not really a review, was it? The “reviewer” filled up his space with pointless screenshots, summary statements about Gnome and KDE, and a mini-tutorial in installing XFCE from the command line.
And, for the umpteenth time, the only thing any reviewer needs to say about an installer is “it works” or “it doesn’t work, and here’s why”. Polished and professional products like Fedora don’t release with half-baked installers, so leading us, screenshot by illegible screenshot, through the install process is a Very Large Waste of Time.
That said, I took a little detour into Fedora Core 2 from my usual home in Slackware. FC2 is a high-quality product, easily the equal of other Linux products that cost real money. I know some folks are still annoyed at RedHat’s stance on mp3 use (there isn’t any mp3 capability in Fedora). But, the product seems clearly aimed at a corporate/SOHO audience that cares about a lot of things other than playing mp3 tracks. Example: I downloaded an Excel spreadsheet, clicked on the filename, and OpenOffice displayed it. I dunno if SUSE is similarly preconfigured, but no other OpenOffice-equipped distribution that I’ve used was thusly configured by default. Annoying to Gnumeric users (there must be someome using gnumeric), of course, but a blessing to people who migrate to Fedora specifically to use OpenOffice.
There’s still too much confusion about how to update Fedora to suit my tastes. When do I use up2date and when do I use yum? Or apt? What’s the difference? Why are all the mirrors so bloody slow? (Slow enough to make you think you’ve crashed or timed out.) Will FC1 apps work on FC2? Are there any supported repositories or just a bunch a guys loading up “at your risk” FTP servers?
I installed it on an ASUS A7V8X-X board without incident. It ran with no issues. Clearly, it is wrong to assert that Fedora will not install on all ASUS boards.
Fedora appologists are some of the biggest whiners I’ve ever had the misfortune of interacting with. There’s always an excuse for why every major feature of this bloated OS is broken.
Things that should have been made priorities to fix before a release, things that are so aften used, than even minor bugs would be obvious to the densest of testers. Fedora was never meant to be a production OS, and I doubt it was even ever meant as a proving ground for Red Hat’s enterprise offerings. It was meant to placate the idiots that Red Hat didn’t wish to have any more dealings with.
ASUS don’t ship working products, they ship broken crapware and later patch it with BIOS updates etc.
It seems that, like software, you should never count on a new product from a motherboard manufacturer like ASUS.
Instead, wait until they have released rev. 2 of the PCB and at least the 5th BIOS update before buying.
I have had nothing but trouble – crashes, lockups, non-functional ACPI, IRQ conflicts, the list goes on – from ASUS motherboards, and while I have of course had some similar problems with other brands, the ASUS ones always seem to be the worst.
After spending weeks or months waiting for fixes from ASUS, they do eventually fix the issues, which is a point in their favour, but forces the user to waste a whole lot of time troubleshooting problems that shouldnt even exist in a supposedly quality product.
Did you just use “Professional” and “Polished” to describe Fedora? Redhat’s test bed?
wow…
I was interested in basically gnome 2.6 and would not like to build it myself. as fedora is in my knowledge to ship 2.6 I was interested in trying for it? any alternatives?
Well, I just installed Fedora Core 2 yesterday. The only problem it seems Linux can’t use any of the Canon i series printers. I have an i350 and it is useless under Linux. Linux on the average desktop is still far off, it still needs better hardware support. I’ll grant that this isn’t as big a problem for corporate desktops, where Redhat and Novell are trying to sell it. But for home users, we need better driver support.
I mean I use vmware(am too conservative about memory then) so I was wondering choice of distro makes any diff to mem/speed on vmware? would gentoo/slack/debain run faster then fedora/mandrake/suse (i turn off almost all services I dont need 🙂 nyways). Does compiling from source makes diff on vmware? can any1 shed light on this?
I wouldn’t go making the blanket statment that FC doesn’t run asus I have a P4C800-e deluxe and it worked fine.
If you have an asus I hope you install it just to see if there are any problems, nothing will be written to your disk since its an ‘uncompressing’ issue (the first thing it does on boot up.) just log a few lines and submit to the bug report please. Things get no where unless people do thier part. This would be a 2.6 kernel problem by the way so if red hat has it expect any 2.6kernel distro to have it aswell.
The bug report :
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=121819
and some work around :
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=121819#c29
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=121819#c67
Almost all software in all Linux distributions is identical.
For all practical purposes, the only thing any Linux packager adds to their distribution is an installation routine and, perhaps, an updating routine. Even then as soon as someone comes up with something that doesn’t break, a batch of other distributions start using it.
Unsubstantiated rants about “bloated” products never offer any evidence. Does emacs on Fedora need more memory than emacs on SUSE? Is openoffice smaller on some other distribution?
No evidence, no credibilty.
Unsubstantiated rants about “bloated” products never offer any evidence
Check out the number of CDs required to install this behemoth. It’s documented on their own web site.
Compare this to say, FreeBSD or Xandros, that provide fully functional (and working) operating systems on one CD.
With regards to your intelligence,
No evidence, no credibilty
Compare this to say, FreeBSD or Xandros, that provide fully functional (and working) operating systems on one CD.
So, Windows 9x is not “bloated”.
So, Windows 9x is not “bloated”
Not according to my definition of bloated. It only offers one DE instead of two for example. And no, you don’t really get a choice on the matter with Red Hat or Fedora, as all of Red Hat’s developed applications require GNOME stuff in order to operate, meaning that if you’re a KDE person, you’re gonna end up with a system that has two DEs installed. That is the kind of bloat I am talking about.
Windows never had that. Red Hat/Fedora do, and likely won’t get rid of this ridiculous situation for the forseeable future. Not to mention the fact that a basic “personal desktop” installation is broken up over at least three CDs. They have no concept of how a distribution should be developed, or deployed, and if you people can’t see that, I’m not going to lose sleep over your shortsightedness.
Red Hat develops a GNOME specific distro, and they are not going to change that. Therefore, they should pretty much say “to hell with KDE,” and only include GNOME apps, and *maybe* KDE libs. Xandros does this with KDE (they don’t include GNOME) and this really is the way to go. Pick one, and stick to your guns.
Making a half-assed attempt to please everyone pleases no one.
Choice is bad for you.
Fedora is not for you. Try Knoppix, Xandros,… and don’t complain if you can’t install Gnome or XFCE or compile a kernel.
Fedora does not compete with this type of distro.
Choice is bad for you. Fedora is not for you.
You dim little monkey. My point is that Fedora offers you little in the way of choice. Any way you go about things, you’re gonna get bloat. You go graphical, you get GNOME, you go “minimal” and you’ve got a 500 MB distro that isn’t good for too terribly much.
Fedora does not compete with this type of distro
Fedora can’t compete with anything because of the incompetence of the people involved.
At least the most excellent people at Freshrpm’s have FC2 packages out now….DVD and MP3 is a breeze again. Got to love those folks.
Fedora can’t compete with anything because of the incompetence of the people involved.
Alan Cox, Ingo Molnar, Arjan Van de Ven, Ulrich Drepper, Havoc Pennington, Owen Tailor, Alexander Larsson, ……………………..
will appreciate.
Alan Cox, Ingo Molnar, Arjan Van de Ven, Ulrich Drepper, Havoc Pennington, Owen Tailor, Alexander Larsson,
They aren’t directly involved in the development of Fedora. They do kernel work, and work on RHEL. My statement stands.
and GCC and Glibc work. Most of the work done by those people is on core components, and they have nothing to do with the development or direction of Fedora.
Not that you’d think about accounting for different compression ratios in different distributions,but…
…since when is the number of CD’s required to hold a distribution evidence that the programs in that distributions are more bloated than the same programs in every other distribution?
Again, I ask: Do you have any evidence?
Not that you’d think about accounting for different compression ratios in different distributions,but…
The bloat comes from the insane set of RPM dependancies that Red Hat aquired around 8.0, and the inability of the Fedora developers to break this monstrosity up in a way that makes more sense from an end user and network bandwidth point of view.
In their insane system, you pretty much need to download all of the binary CD’s regardless of the intended use of the system. This is wasteful and annoying. It has little if anything to do with “compression ratios,” and all to do with the RPM dependancies and duplicated functionality.
and poor planning.
And you misread my comments somewhere.
I said nothing about the programs being more bloated, I said that Fedora the *distribution* is more bloated.
Learn to read.
It’s obvious that you don’t like RedHat/Fedora.
The point is clear !
So, go away and help xandros users or whatever you want.
Do not count on me to bashing other distributions.
I have a Canon i450 which works fine with linux drivers available online. The drivers are for the i550 but work perfectly with my i450. I wouldn’t be surprised if they worked with the i350 as well. I can even use canon drivers not made for this printer series, but they only work well, not perfect.
It’s obvious that you don’t like RedHat/Fedora.
The point is clear ! So, go away and help xandros users or whatever you want. Do not count on me to bashing other distributions.
So let me get this straight… because I’m critical of your favorite toy’s flaws, I shouldn’t voice my opinion? I love how so many “free as in freedom of speech” advocates are so unforgiving of other people’s point of views! (You must be American ;^)
To dumb it down a bit so you can understand what it is I’m saying here: I plan to stay. And comment on things I like, and on things I don’t like. And learn from people more knowledgable than me, and to try to enlighten those who are not.
Wow!
Kingston: 1
The rest: 0
I’m sorry, I just couldn’t help it.
Kingston, you rule dude.
Kingston : Why Fedora sucks ? Because … Because …
Yeah Guy ! Listen to me. Do you want to know why Fedora sucks ? Because … Because …
somebody else : Thanks, very interesting. But it’s enought.
Kingston : No it’s not enought, you don’t understand why Fedora sucks. Well it’s because…. because…
So far, you’ve not responded to anyone’s questions, insulted a number of other posters, and pinned your assertion that Fedora is “bloated” on the number of CD’s needed to install it, which you blame on RPM’s. (BTW, most folks seem to be using 3 CD’s for an install.)
So, let’s see, the last time I installed SUSE it used, oh, five or six CD’s; Mandrake 10, and Debian at least 10. Boy, they must be disastrously bloated products.
By your reasoning, bloat goes away if someone puts all the code on a single DVD.
To cut to the chase, who cares how many CD’s a distribution packages itself in? It’s all the same once it’s on your hard drive, regardless of distribution, packaging scheme, dependencies, whatever.
If you don’t want to install some Fedora code, don’t. The installation routine allows you full control; there’s no reason to pick the canned “workstation” or “server” models…unless you can’t be bothered to read.
Only people who spend all their time installing distributions rather than actually using them have reason to care about trivia like how many CD’s are used to ship the thing.
and pinned your assertion that Fedora is “bloated” on the number of CD’s needed to install it, which you blame on RPM’s
Well, uhm, yeah. Glad you decided to read some of my posts.
So, let’s see, the last time I installed SUSE it used, oh, five or six CD’s; Mandrake 10, and Debian at least 10. Boy, they must be disastrously bloated products
I do believe that I included Mandrake in my first post in this discussion. Debian does not require you to have more than the first CD to get a usable system, and neither does SuSE. Only Fedora and Mandrake make wasting network resources and end user time a requirement in order to install their operating systems.
By your reasoning, bloat goes away if someone puts all the code on a single DVD
You’re still missing the point. This is a wasteful and irritating way of distributing software. It is not the way it should be done as standard practice.
If you don’t want to install some Fedora code, don’t. The installation routine allows you full control; there’s no reason to pick the canned “workstation” or “server” models…unless you can’t be bothered to read
You don not have “full control.” There are a very large number of mandatory packages that are added soley because of the insane RPM dependancies drempt up by the Red Hat 8 “engineering” team. That’s why a “custom,” “minimal” installation eats up nearly half a gigabyte of disk space while providing very little in the way of a useful system. These are hard coded dependancies that would take the average power user a week to manually tweak, forcing select packages to be removed, without borking others.
You seriously need to get a clue about what you are talking about.
well, really, i don’t give a damn about how many cds fedora or any other distribution has.
at least fedora core 2 was the first linux distribution that had openoffice set up correctly for me (german spellchecking, thesaurus and hyphenation).
i just hope that this is also true for all the hungarians, finns, italians, japanese, turks, and whatever out there. and i am sure they all don’t mind that they _finally_ don’t have to install language packs after setting up their operating system.
regards,
marillchen
at least fedora core 2 was the first linux distribution that had openoffice set up correctly for me (german spellchecking, thesaurus and hyphenation)
Well that certainly is a good thing. At least they’ve done something right!
Hi.
First of all I apologize, I missed an ‘s’ in my name.
I want to point out some simple things :
1. I have already open a bug against the problem.
1a. Reboot happens as described in the main bug, when uncompressing kernel image.
2. OK. I got a P4P800S ASUS (PIV – i848P based) sorry If I speaked generally.
2. If we want Linux to succeed some things should not happen
3. On this very same ‘piece of crap’ I run Win98SE,WinXp,Win2k,FC1,Knoppix (with 2.6 kernel). So ASUS might be the worst HW maker but evidence is that FC2 is somewhat different from the others.
4. I want to use my PC not be a slave to it. Even if walkarounds are a viable alternative to problems, I refuse to believe this should be the way in 2004. FC1 installed in a blink w/o problems of any sort.
This installation problem is a known problem FC2 had with the betas, and is still there….
Just my little 2 cents.
– Regards
– Pasha
>>…Debian does not require you to have more than the first CD to get a usable system…
That’s a usable system if you are content to not run X and any software dependent on X. That might satisfy someone administering a server farm, but not the other 99.99% of the population. We’d consider it totally useless. (And before you resort to the typical zealot exhortation “learn vi or emacs”, I’ll tell you I have used vu for the last 15 years or so, I’m perfectly at home using a shell, but wolud rather do things the easy way. That, after all, is why I use a computer.)
>>This is a wasteful and irritating way of distributing software.
Why? Do you know a way to make binary files smaller? Or are you asserting that necessary files and libraries should not be included, leaving users with the burden of locating and installing them?
>>[i]…a “custom,” “minimal” installation eats up nearly half a gigabyte of disk space while providing very little in the way of a useful system. These are hard coded dependancies that would take the average power user a week to manually tweak…
“Custom” and “minimal” installations are two different types of installs, not the identical install that you assert. The custom install gives the user free rein to pick and choose.
Besides, why is it so bloody important how much disk space is used? No one cares and it makes no difference to users.
You apparently believe Fedora installs unnecessary dependencies. For some reason, you consider this a horrific failure rendering the entire product unusable, yet you are apparently able to contemplate spending your time pruning an installation of all those evil dependencies. Why don’t you just relax, get a damn grip, and stop worrying about something that trivial? One gets the impression that you judge a Linux packager’s work by the number of packages they can remove and still get the thing to boot.
Dependencies are inherent in the way Linux and open source software are created. No one’s in charge, remember? Individual developers are free to write code that assumes the presence of their dog’s favorite chew toy, if they wish. Distributions have to deal with that fact. If you’re building a broad-based distribution designed to appeal to a large and varied audience (of SOHO. corporate, and professional people, not just adolescent Linux fanboys)
you will obviously need to pull in more software in order to cope with the great mass of uncoordinated software that is Linux and open source. If bloat exists, at least you might correctly identify the reason.
Given your obsession, though, you might be more comfortable running MSDOS 2.1 off a 5-1/4 floppy. No bloat there.
Now run along.
I don’t know anything at all about Fedora, but I have to take exception to your lumping it in with Mandrake. Mandrake’s tools don’t require any particular DE – if you want KDE on Mandrake you install KDE plus the GTK+ libs, you don’t need any part of GNOME, and vice versa. You can install a working, graphical system from just the first Mandrake CD, though it’s not recommended, and you can get a very functional distribution with two. Mandrake also has a very polished network installation which lets you install exactly what you want over a network.
I have to take exception
Well, if you liked that, you’ll like it enev more when you reread my initial comment on the two, where I say that both Fedora and Mandrake are also the buggiest.
It’s software for crying out loud! Why are you getting so offended? Nothing I’ve said so far has been untruthful, or inaccurate…
and to try to enlighten those who are not
Well, I said I try, not that I’d succeed. Some people really are just too stupid to help. Something about “compression ratios” of the material in their heads, and nothing to do with the insane set of dependancies in their logic.
You’d have more success in your self-appointed task of “enlightenment” if you would stop engaging in ad hominem attacks and insults and present some evidence to substantiate your claims. You haven’t given anyone any reason to believe anything you’ve said.
Look up. I didn’t start it. Reality is my evidence, and it’s publically available information. I don’t need to give anything more than I’ve said to a lackwit who won’t read it anyway.
Let’s not forget that your entire reason for bothering me in the first place was due to the fact that you misread one of my earlier posts, still refuse to reread it, and confuse “boated distribution (which is what I said and was refering to)” with “bloated software,” which was an invention fabricated by your half remembered, misread information.
If you’re going to argue, at least be on the same topic as everyone else around you. You seem a little too personally offended by all of this. You aren’t one of the Fedora ‘developers’ are you? I could see that…
No evidence, no credibility.
No one is under any obligation to go chasing proof to back up your claims. If you want people to believe you, produce evidence.
Define bloat.
If you want to claim Fedora is bloated because it uses too many CD’s, explain what “too many” means and why anyone has a reason to care. Produce evidence that other distributions install the same amount, or better, of code and use fewer
CD’s.
If you say that Fedora is bloated because it uses a packaging and installation scheme that installs “too many” dependencies, provide specific examples of the dependencies Fedora installs to support a given program versus those installed by other distributions.
You have done none of that.
All you have done is make unsubstantiated claims, tell people we should believe them simply because you say they’re true, and, when challenged, fall back on juvenile insults and behavior.
I don’t know if you’re really only 2-years old, a troll, or both.
And for the love of gawd, do not continue to ask stupid question about “compression ratios” or for me to provide details regarding the RPM dependancies.
“Compression ratios” have nothing to do with my argument, and the RPM dependancies are publically doccumented.
I haven’t argued anything. I’ve simply asked you to provide evidence of your assertions. You haven’t provided any evidence. I’ve no obligation to find the evidence to support your claims; you have an obligation to provide that evidence.
Until then, I have every right to assume that nothing you’ve posted is accurate. That impression is certainly bolstered by your frequent resort to hurling simple insults my way. Are we to assume you are correct because you know how to demean someone’s intelligence?
Again, no evidence, no credibility. More to the point, put up or shut up.
I have every right to assume that nothing you’ve posted is accurate
You are right there. My only grip is that you’ve not the care to verify anything on your own as you’d not trust information I’d provide anyway.
More to the point, put up or shut up
Another famous Linux fanboy slogan that’s gained popularity of late (like “Nuff said.”). I have no more obligation to provide publically available information than I do to provide a fan for a man suffering from heat stroke when there’s a breeze.
I sucks admit it, all other I have tested close to 70 have had less bugs, or more workable bugs.
all I will say, not even going to check back here to se if anyone defends this, cause if you do you`re colored in the sence that you will defend it even if it don`t work
You’ve had every opportunity to check fedora’s site and see the information firsthand for yourself, and yet you prefer to whine on OSnews. If you really cared about anything other than causing trouble, you’d STFU and read for yourself, as nothing I could ever say will be good enough for you.
*shrug*
It really doesn’t matter to me if you’re the ignorant troll I believe you to be.
Sorry if you don’t know the history behind RPM dependancies.
But if you will do a little bit of research I think you will agree with Kingston
😀
Wow! Somebody who can read!!!
Did anyone get automounting of memory cards working in this version?
I find it completely unacceptable to have to go to a console and type some arcane command just to access my pictures. Not to mention the fact that the KDE file manager shows my digital pictures at their full 2048 x whatever resolution. Nice.
A quick comment on your rants.
You would be far better off using a distribution that is not Fedora or Mandrake. These are the two most bloated, buggy compilations of Linux software in the world, and are showing no signs of getting better.
And:
Check out the number of CDs required to install this behemoth. It’s documented on their own web site.
I get your point, they could try to place the KDE-part on the last CD. And the development things on the third, for example. But hey, it’s just one dvd
And frankly, i couldn’t care less. Welcome to the dsl-era. The fact that Fedora comes with all this stuff is not a bad thing – it’s what one would expect form a big distro.
Come to think of it, i guess it should be possible to make a distribution based on Fedora, that only installs KDE, which could be on just one cd. You could do that. Why don’t you?
Not according to my definition of bloated. It only offers one DE instead of two for example. And no, you don’t really get a choice on the matter with Red Hat or Fedora, as all of Red Hat’s developed applications require GNOME stuff in order to operate, meaning that if you’re a KDE person, you’re gonna end up with a system that has two DEs installed. That is the kind of bloat I am talking about.
You don’t *have* to install KDE. I don’t, and Fedora runs fine. Like KDE, use Mandrake. It’s that simple.
Red Hat develops a GNOME specific distro, and they are not going to change that.
I am really thankful for them sticking to GNOME. There aren’t that many GNOME-centric distro’s around, you know. But somehow, KDE seems to be more popular. You wouldn’t believe the moaning if they wouldn’t include KDE (remember user-linux?), and you would probably be one of them. The thing is, with Fedora, apparently many people hate their guts. I think most of them are KDE-fundamentalists. And these people will hate Fedora as long as Fedora sticks to Gnome. Admit it.
Fedora can’t compete with anything because of the incompetence of the people involved.
I can’t believe you really typed that. That is so low.
They aren’t directly involved in the development of Fedora. They do kernel work, and work on RHEL. My statement stands.
I submitted a few bugs for the test releases (did you?), and i found the bugs solved in the next. And oh, Arjan van de Ven was one of the bughunters.
There were flickers of a logical argument in you own little rant, but despite the fact that you’ve copied what I’ve written , you’ve ignored my points completely.
That was a neat trick.
One of my points (*sigh* here we go again) was that if you’re going to make a distro that relies on GNOME, then there is no point of including KDE. Same the other way around. I don’t give a flying f**k what a distributer choses as their favorite, but including the two without the option to only have one based on your own personal preference is silly and wasteful. Think for a minute on the inherent bloat.
You don’t *have* to install KDE
Well that’s just the weakest argument I’ve hear this entire thread (and let’s not forget the crap about “compression ratios.”). Of course you don’t! But if you wanted to because KDE was your preference you’d be burdanned with GNOME anyway because it’s welded pretty deeply into Red Hat/Fedora. If they’re so hell bent on being a GNOME specific distribution, they shouldn’t include KDE pure and simple, only the libs needed for the user to be able to run the odd KDE apps.
I am really thankful for them sticking to GNOME.
Uh, I’m really happy for you?
There aren’t that many GNOME-centric distro’s around, you know
There are reasons for that. I’ve read interviews here on OSnews (look for them yourself, it’s not that hard) with people from various upstart Linux distro makers, distributions for Windows users and so on. They all have two things in common, Debian, and KDE, and the most often cited reasons for this (from what I remember) is that they provided a stable, easy to develop for base upon which to build user friendly operating systems. It seems that every other release of GNOME replaces programs that it’s users had just gotten used to with less funtional versions, as well as an ever more mystifying HIG that’s every bit as well thought out as Microsoft’s and configuration options that are ever more difficult to find. Let’s not even get into the recent “spatial nautillus” fiasco (I am not a fan, and for once it seems the Linux world largely agrees with me).
I think most of them are KDE-fundamentalists
Speaking of opinions that have nothing to back them up…
I can’t believe you really typed that. That is so low
They’ve had every opportunity, and because I get bored sometimes, they’ll get more, but the fact remains, that Fedora is a bloated, buggy distribution that is showing no signs of getting better, and was never intended as a professional product and from the looks of things, it never will be.
Just to finish off my last sentance, they have some of the best code writers, and the worst distro makers…
As a Fedora Core 2 users, I can tell you do not have any clue what you are talking about when it comes to Fedora Core 2. You don’t like it, fine. But do not state your opinion as a fact.
As a Fedora Core 2 users, I can tell you do not have any clue what you are talking about when it comes to Fedora Core 2.
Care to elaborate on that statement?
There are some points kingston failed to understand:
Check out the number of CDs required to install this behemoth. It’s documented on their own web site.
Depending the way user choose to install the system, the installation uses 2 or 3 CDs and the 4th is the extra packages user can choose to install. I wonder why he bother to bash the number of CDs as other Linux products used more than 4 CDs to include different packages.
Of course you don’t! But if you wanted to because KDE was your preference you’d be burdanned with GNOME anyway because it’s welded pretty deeply into Red Hat/Fedora. If they’re so hell bent on being a GNOME specific distribution, they shouldn’t include KDE pure and simple, only the libs needed for the user to be able to run the odd KDE apps.
Then you will hear complain that Fedora does not include KDE. This is only your personal view. What about other users who want to use KDE? You seem to neglect them. Bear in mind Fedora is still young system.
Let’s not even get into the recent “spatial nautillus” fiasco (I am not a fan, and for once it seems the Linux world largely agrees with me).
At least you can disable that feature like Windows XP.