Open Source Development Labs has cut a third of its staff, lost its chief executive and scaled back some technical work. That leaves a staff of 19, including Tom Hanrahan in charge of engineering, Diane Peters in charge of legal work, and top Linux programmers Linus Torvalds and Andrew Morton.
“Greg Kroah-Hartman, a well-known Linux programmer, is speaking out against the layoffs and OSDL’s positioning in his blog.
“OSDL recently just laid off some very talented, and experienced Linux kernel developers and testers,” he wrote. “These are subsystem and driver maintainer level kernel people who really understand the community and how to get stuff done in the kernel and have loads of experience doing just that.” ”
http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/43325.html
OSDL is funded by “IBM, Hewlett-Packard, Novell, Intel and several other computing companies.”
It appears that with the growth of Linux in the server space approaching zero that these companies are going to spend their money on projects with a beter chance of ROI.
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Everything you say is poisonously stupid. Why do you still have an account on OSNews? One really, seriously must wonder.
The truth about OSDL will come out. We don’t know yet exactly what’s happened. Your “approaching zero” comment is pure, dense stupidity on a singularity scale.
Edited 2006-12-05 18:54
Everything you say is poisonously stupid.
Why don’t you like me quoting from articles on Linux Insider?
Well, that didn’t take you long
Im sick of two users throwing arguments between one another in boring unconstructive ways
If you don’t get along – don’t reply to one another – so that the comments are actually worth reading
Im sick of two users throwing arguments between one another in boring unconstructive ways
So pointing out that one user keeps blatantly posting lies is acceptable?
So pointing out that one user keeps blatantly posting lies is acceptable?
What lies are you accusing someone of posting?
“So today, we are announcing jobs.osnews.com.”
Are these related?
Their loss, some other company’s gain.
Edited 2006-12-05 19:41
NotParker tries to pass off quotes from an old (1.5 years old) article in order to falsely dramatize the current article. Those quotes from Greg Kroah-Hartman lead off his comment only because they are the most dramatic and despite having nothing to do with current job cuts. He later throws in a token quote from the current article in order to complete the fraud. What place does such blatant deception have on this website?
Whoever modded up his original comment needs to either learn some ethics or recognize NotParker’s record of deceit.
Edited 2006-12-05 23:29
NotParker tries to pass off quotes from an old (1.5 years old) article in order to falsely dramatize the current article.
I think it honestly dramatizes current job cuts by pointing out they laid off programmers last year too.
And more techical people this year.
How can it be dishonest if I insert the link so you can read it yourself?
Those quotes from Greg Kroah-Hartman lead off his comment only because they are the most dramatic and despite having nothing to do with current job cuts. He later throws in a token quote from the current article in order to complete the fraud. What place does such blatant deception have on this website?
Wow. Referencing articles really riles up some people doesn’t it!
Have you thought about trying to argue that OSDL NEEDS lawyers and doesn’t need programmers and technical staff?
Maybe you could post references to try and make your point instead of accusing me of deceit.
(Are you one of “archiesteels” other accounts?)
Edited 2006-12-06 00:14
I think it is amazingly dishonest to accuse me of deceit and then mod down my reasonable reply.
I understand that the modding system is seen primarily as a weapon against those who you disagree with.
NotParker tries to pass off quotes from an old (1.5 years old) article in order to falsely dramatize the current article.
I think it honestly dramatizes current job cuts by pointing out they laid off programmers last year too.
And more technical people this year.
How can it be dishonest if I insert the link so you can read it yourself?
Those quotes from Greg Kroah-Hartman lead off his comment only because they are the most dramatic and despite having nothing to do with current job cuts. He later throws in a token quote from the current article in order to complete the fraud. What place does such blatant deception have on this website?
Wow. Referencing articles really riles up some people doesn’t it!
Have you thought about trying to argue that OSDL NEEDS lawyers and doesn’t need programmers and technical staff?
Maybe you could post references to try and make your point instead of accusing me of deceit.
(Are you one of “archiesteels” other accounts?)
Edited 2006-12-06 00:18
(Are you one of “archiesteels” other accounts?)
My my, are you becoming a bit paranoid, NotParker?
I told you, I only have a single account. But then again, maybe that’s just what I want you to believe…mwahahahaha!
Seriously, dude, you gotta start to realize that if you’re going to troll these comment sections, people are going to react and call you on it. Get a freakin’ clue.
Seriously, dude, you gotta start to realize that if you’re going to troll these comment sections, people are going to react and call you on it.
Pointing out that replacing programmers and technical staff with lawyers at OSDL when thats what the article is about is trolling?
You are very strange (all of your accounts).
Pointing out that replacing programmers and technical staff with lawyers at OSDL when thats what the article is about is trolling?
This is the part of your that was trolling:
“It appears that with the growth of Linux in the server space approaching zero that these companies are going to spend their money on projects with a beter chance of ROI.”
You are very strange (all of your accounts).
Please, this is starting to sound very sad. I only have a single account, and I don’t need any more than that to counter your FUD.
How many accounts do *you* have, NotParker?
Edited 2006-12-06 01:57
This is the part of your that was trolling:
“It appears that with the growth of Linux in the server space approaching zero that these companies are going to spend their money on projects with a beter chance of ROI.”
As I’ve proven, Linux growth is approaching zero.
http://www.osnews.com/permalink.php?news_id=16636&comment_id=188568
I was speculating on why programming and technical talent is being dumped for lawyers. A good explanation is that the big Linux supporters who fund ODSL see Linux momentum evaporating and in a time of consolidation when Oracle is trying to steal RedHats business, lawyers would more valuable than programmers.
Do you have an explanation (other than stalking me to mod me down when I write polite factually based postings).
As I’ve proven, Linux growth is approaching zero.
You haven’t *proven* anything, you have *argued* something. I myself have demonstrated why your argument was faulty. Your own data doesn’t show a trend towards zero, but towards around 5%, higher than Windows’. You have failed to rebut that demonstration.
other than stalking me to mod me down when I write polite factually based postings
Don’t flattery yourself, I’m not stalking you, I’m preventing you from spreading FUD, that’s different.
So, how many accounts do *you* have, NotParker?
Your own data doesn’t show a trend towards zero, but towards around 5%
60% to 40% to 20% over 3 years.
Then 6.1% in Q2 and 5.4% in Q3.
Thats a drop of .7% per quarter. Which means 4.7, then 4 then 3.3 then 2.6, then 1.9 then 1.2 then .5 then zero.
You should get a math tutor.
Edited 2006-12-06 06:11
You have a drop of 20% between two years ago and last year, that’s 5% per quarter.
0.7% drop between Q2 and Q3, instead of 5%. What this shows is a dramatic leveling up of growth a around 5% (more than MS). Ergo, the curve goes flat (at 5%) instead of decreasing to zero.
You should get a math tutor.
It’s obvious that I’m much better at math than you if you belive that a 0.7% drop between two quarters indicates the same rate of decrease as 20% over a year.
What’s next, are you going to try and argue that the sky is green instead of blue? Are you going to argue that 2+2=5? Because that’s basically what you’re trying to do here.
*You* should get a math tutor, but mostly you should stop trying to make numbers lie, especially not in such crude, easily disprovable ways.
Lies, damned lies, and statistics. That’s all you can do. Come back when you can convincingly argue a topic.
Linux server sales growth is approaching zero.
If you graphed it it would look like:
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60 40 20 0
Edited 2006-12-06 15:26
Linux server sales growth is leveling up at around 5%, which is still more than Windows.
This makes sense, actually, as a double-digit growth year over year would be impossible to sustain (for obvious reasons).
In other words, Linux had an explosive growth over the past few years, and now it’s leveling up to conform with overall server market growth (though it’s still enjoying a better growth than Windows).
All your efforts to misrepresent statistics won’t change this simple truth.
slight growth in linux, but the software industry has grown over 400% in the past 2 years, OR MORE. (consertative figures).
so if your “sales” or takeup is not increasing BY ALOT, each year, YOUR ARE GOING BACKWARDS, even if you numbers are getting larger.
OSDL, labs are cutting back technical staff, and adding legal staff, because they see that they have alot more legal problems than technical problems, and until the legal issues are fixed, linux cannot progress.
At least Novell has admitted to the obvious copyright issues, and are willing to pay due fees to use someone elses technology.
People wont take up linux for the destop or wider market if they see that all linux is doing is copying everyone elses good idea’s, and then putting those idea’s to market we’ll behind the original company that developed those ideas.
Most people see what linux is, its a “ROLEX watch knockoff” of Windows. and a very underhanded attempt to take away the business from a succesfull company (say MS). by stealing their IP and idea’s and using their successful model’s for its own use.
then giving away that stolen IP, under some license and claim the “RIGHT” to steal someone elses idea’s and use those idea against the inventer/designer of those successful concepts.
Take for example:
NTFS – There is NO technical requirement for Linux to run NTFS as a Native file format.
Clearly, NTFS is a microsoft development, meaning they own the IP to that idea.
As there is NO technical need or requirement to use NTFS, the ONLY reason you HAVE IT, is so you are better able to compete with Microsoft.
So you are using a technology (IP) developed by MS to try to KILL MS.
the BIG world can see this, for what it is.
THEFT, Open source people talk about “ethics” and good practice, and being morally better than everyone else.
but the world looks upon thiefs for what they are, THIEFS, criminals.
Now if a company that “FRONTS” this “operation”, sees that “the HEAT IS ON”, they lawyer up, and cut back their “other” operations.
(ie, lawyer up, and stop stealing).
surprise surprise !!! guess what OSDL are doing, cutting back on “operations” and lawyering up.
Linux will continue to die a slow death, unless there are some major MORAL attitude changes within the community.
I think it honestly dramatizes current job cuts by pointing out they laid off programmers last year too.
You think, there is your problem
1. People are getting laid off everywhere, why dramatising? Any OSDL member will have no problem finding a job.
2. OSDL is too small organization to be dramatized about
How can it be dishonest if I insert the link so you can read it yourself?
It isn’t, that part would actualy be worth modding up.
It appears that with the growth of Linux in the server space approaching zero that these companies are going to spend their money on projects with a beter chance of ROI.
This one is
Small Linux server growth was not based on quantity, but on less mainframe needs. Quantity rose more than expected, except the fact that is was more on X86, x_86_64 sectors.
And Windows never run on mainframe so they weren’t affected as much. This is where difference lies.
Check price of mainframe and x86 cluster.
… of the problem of the popularity contest that is being talked of in the blog…
Personal attacks are being modded up, and comments that aren’t agreed with are being hammered down.
Windows API, it was designed by microsoft to allow their applications work with their Operating systems.
Linux see’s that virtually everyone likes windows Operating system, and they like Windows Applications.
So they hack windows and reverse engineer the Windows API’s.
They did not innovate the API’s, or invent anything new, they stole the API’s off Microsoft, (by looking at how they did it).
then they write WINE, so they can use their knowledge of the Windows API’s developed by Microsoft, AGAINST microsoft, TARGETTED at attacking MS, by trying to “WEDGE” yourself in, bit by bit.
first if you can get them to use Linux, and run Windows apps, you have more of a chance to “turning” all the way.
but in criminal to take someone’s elses successful model for a popular App or OS, and CLONE it, THEN give it away for free to take clients away from the OWNER of that IP.
So what happens if your successful. and you put MS out of business, Bill says “screw this”, and shuts his doors.
Linux would win, but not having anyone else to copy off, you are then required to innovate yourself, and to cater for the worlds software requirements.
IMO, you’re not up to the job, and so far, simply copying Minux/UNIX, and hacking windows to give up WinTYPE advancements is not working, and its not winning market share,
and sooner or later, (or NOW), these other companies will get tired of the constant theft, and will take action agaist the criminals.
No license be it GPLv2 v3 or V7 will save you,
copyright trumps license, patents trumps copyright.