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OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/17719/GNUstep_Base_1_14_0_Make_2_0_0_Released Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:31:20 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif OSNews.com http://www.osnews.com hmm http://osnews.com/thread?231761 http://osnews.com/thread?231761 excuse my ignorance but does anyone actualy use this? Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (poundsmack) Comments RE: hmm http://osnews.com/thread?231764 http://osnews.com/thread?231764 Yes

It is actually quite nice. I tend to fall back on GNUstep everytime the sluggishness of Gnome makes me go nuts

You might want to take a look at étoilé:

http://www.etoile-project.org/etoile/mediawiki/index.php?title=Main...

and from OSNews recently:
http://www.osnews.com/story.php/17381/Etoile-Live-CD-0.2-Developer-...
http://xdev.org/etoile/ Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:46:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dylansmrjones) Comments RE: hmm http://osnews.com/thread?231766 http://osnews.com/thread?231766 I dunno aboot that.

But this one I like: http://www.stud.fit.vutbr.cz/~xcapmi00/etoile/ Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ronaldst) Comments RE: hmm http://osnews.com/thread?231768 http://osnews.com/thread?231768 "excuse my ignorance but does anyone actualy use this?"

There are some GNUstep based applications available, such as:

gnustep-cdplayer GNUstep CD player with CDDB support
gnustep-notebook: A place to store notes in an organized manner
gnustep-wrapper: Create GNUstep app-wrappers of non-GNUstep applications
gnustep-ftp: Compact and handy FTP client for GNUstep
gnustep-slideshow: SlideShow Viewer
gnustep-preview: Simple image viewer
gnustep-mplayer: GNUstep port of MPlayerOSX
gnustep-ticker: RSS monitor for RSS and Atom feeds
ruby18-gnustep A Ruby interface to the GNUstep development environment

I don't think anybody even knows them. On the other hand, GNUstep can evolve to a desktop environment that can compete with KDE or Gnome, at last in the professional sector. And the ability to use GNUstep based applications on UNIX and on Apple systems is very interesting in terms of interoperability.

Because of the intended MacOS X compatibility and the Objective C based framework I'm considering GNUstep being the base for one of my next projects, but I'm still thinking Gtk + C would be better... I've not decided yet.

As far as I know, the window manager WindowMaker (a GNUstep compliant window manager "cloning" NeXTstep) is the official window manager of GNUstep. NB: WindowMaker != GNUstep. BTW, I'm using it right now. :-)

Maybe you're interested in having a look at some GNUstep stuff? They even offer a live file system CD iso image for download.

Finally, to answer your question in a few words: No, no one actually uses this. :-) Wed, 18 Apr 2007 00:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Doc Pain) Comments Simply Put http://osnews.com/thread?231772 http://osnews.com/thread?231772 Thank you! Wed, 18 Apr 2007 01:02:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tyrione) Comments RE[2]: hmm http://osnews.com/thread?231773 http://osnews.com/thread?231773

Finally, to answer your question in a few words: No, no one actually uses this. :-)

You are all individuals.
- Yes, we are all individuals.
- No, I'm not.Edited 2007-04-18 01:11 Wed, 18 Apr 2007 01:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dylansmrjones) Comments RE: hmm http://osnews.com/thread?231774 http://osnews.com/thread?231774 GNUStep was my primary environment for a year: then I got a Mac. I am setting up an email server now, and if I need a GUI for some reason, I will use the GNUStep environment again. I love it for its simplicity and speed. Its the one DE that I did not need to force to my workflow.
I've used XFCE (Made it look like BeOS), GNOME(I only like it with XFWM as the manager), KDE (ugh!

Used it when GNOME was trashier), and blackbox(when all I did was code. Its wonderful for that... keeps you focused, but a pain to configure).
Sometimes I wished MacOS X worked like GNUStep does (I know it used to). Wed, 18 Apr 2007 01:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Jesuspower) Comments RE[3]: hmm http://osnews.com/thread?231775 http://osnews.com/thread?231775 "You are all individuals.
- Yes, we are all individuals.
- No, I'm not. "

And, of course, GNUstep does not have a significant oh joy oh market share. Market share beats everything. :-)

GNUstep is a great framework, a valuable platform for application development, no matter what I say. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 01:14:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Doc Pain) Comments RE: hmm http://osnews.com/thread?231776 http://osnews.com/thread?231776 To answer your question, does anybody use GNUStep, I can most definitly say YES.

I work at the physics department of a major university and we are developing a series of applications to interface with lab equipment, and all the development is being done is objective-c and Cocoa / GNUStep.

It is a fairly straight forward process to re-compile a Cocoa application under GNUStep, it is an excellent cross platform solution for Mac and Linux (I do not do Windows so I do not know how well GNUStep work there).

I am also working on a set of numerical quantum and fluid dynamics simulations where the visualization / user interface is using opengl with Cocoa / GNUStep and the numerics are C / lapack, and so far I have not run into any real compatibility issues between GNUStep and Cocoa.

In a previous life, I was forced to use Windows and develop in MFC and C-sharp, what a nightmare that was. It is a true joy to develop in Objective-C / Cocoa / GNUStep, far superior to any other enviornment I have worked in (well QT is not bad, but still not as nice as Cocoa). Wed, 18 Apr 2007 01:17:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (macman) Comments RE[2]: hmm http://osnews.com/thread?231818 http://osnews.com/thread?231818 My company is using GNUstep to develop a commercial long-range data multiplexer equipment configuration and monitoring application. It is a distributed client-server system, so yes, GNUstep can be used to do more than simple stuff. We've also written our IPTV solution in it (live streaming server, VoD server and a few other pieces of IPTV headend software). Wed, 18 Apr 2007 06:49:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (saso) Comments Good. http://osnews.com/thread?231823 http://osnews.com/thread?231823 I have about 10 or so Gnustep apps "installed" but
never get around to running them ...(they need more than
just the command on the CLI afaik, when I find out
I intend to .sh or .zsh each one to start it)... more
than once that is. Many are pretty good. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:10:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (J-freebsd_98) Comments RE[2]: hmm http://osnews.com/thread?231832 http://osnews.com/thread?231832 Sometimes I wished MacOS X worked like GNUStep does (I know it used to).

Hmm, I need some elightment about this. I found that Cocoa along with XCode is working very well. GNUStep = Cocoa - Aqua (that's ugly). And I experienced that installing GNUStep requires big effort, like Aaron Hillegass said in his book. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Babi Asu) Comments RE[2]: hmm http://osnews.com/thread?231834 http://osnews.com/thread?231834 It is a true joy to develop in Objective-C / Cocoa / GNUStep, far superior to any other enviornment I have worked in (well QT is not bad, but still not as nice as Cocoa).

Actually Obj-C's syntax is not conformtable. I can't see the benefit of the promised source-code readability. It is just a pain if you have too many nested brackets. I tried Ruby-Cocoa, though the syntax is more conformtable, but the very low performance make me back to pure Obj-C. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Babi Asu) Comments RE[3]: hmm http://osnews.com/thread?231841 http://osnews.com/thread?231841 I agree with you here. I find Objective-C's syntax to be fairly verbose. People chastise Java for having too verbose a syntax, yet I've found that Objective-C is worse when it comes to verbosity.

There is a big difference between verbosity and readability. Take Python for example. It's not that verbose, yet it's highly readable. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (evangs) Comments RE[3]: hmm http://osnews.com/thread?231846 http://osnews.com/thread?231846 GNUStep seems to be based more directly on NeXT/OPENStep, while OS X took some inspiration from those, but on a lot of points felt they could do better and made a bunch of changes. OS X has been diverging more and more over the years. Many times those changes where for the better and sometimes (in my opinion) not. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (dagw) Comments RE[4]: hmm http://osnews.com/thread?231870 http://osnews.com/thread?231870

GNUStep seems to be based more directly on NeXT/OPENStep, while OS X took some inspiration from those

Correct. If you read up on GNUstep's history, you will find out that it was originally intended to be a 'free' implementation of OpenStep.

OS X has been diverging more and more over the years. Many times those changes where for the better and sometimes (in my opinion) not.

Correct again. The ultimate goal of GNUstep is to still provide a free implementation of OpenStep, while at the same time incorporate changes (to OpenStep) in OSX that are better and/or useful. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:36:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ChrisV) Comments OSX compatability http://osnews.com/thread?231875 http://osnews.com/thread?231875 Just so I can be sure I understand this thread correctly, just how compatable are OSX applications on GNUstep? Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:47:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Laurence) Comments RE: OSX compatability http://osnews.com/thread?231877 http://osnews.com/thread?231877 I don't know much about it, but I think that it's easier to compile GNUstep apps for OSX than the other way around, e.g. if you use XCode, it'll be harder to make it into a GNUstep application since some things in XCode are closed, AFAIK. Plus a lot of OSX APIs are not available in GNUstep.

But it's fully possible to have fairly advanced apps such as GNUmail working on both platforms.

http://www.collaboration-world.com/gnumail.data/screenshots/v1.2.0p...

http://www.collaboration-world.com/gnumail.data/screenshots/v1.2.0p... Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:01:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (henrikmk) Comments Peeve http://osnews.com/thread?231887 http://osnews.com/thread?231887 Why is that people can't type "Mac OS X"?

It's not "MacOS-X". It's not "Mac OS-X". It's not "MacOSX" and it's not "MacOS X". Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:28:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nevali) Comments RE[2]: OSX compatability http://osnews.com/thread?231908 http://osnews.com/thread?231908 http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Writing_portable_code has some information about porting to and from OS X. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ChrisV) Comments RE: Peeve http://osnews.com/thread?231923 http://osnews.com/thread?231923 "Why is that people can't type “Mac OS X”?

It's not “MacOS-X”. It's not “Mac OS-X”. It's not “MacOSX” and it's not “MacOS X”."

Thank you for this correction. I always thought it was "MacOS X" because of the previous form "MacOS 9", but I'll use the correct / official form "Mac OS X" from now.

May I ask you if it's "e mail", "e-mail" or "email" in AE / BE? (In german, it's "E-Mail", not "Email", "eMail", "e-Mail" or "e Mail".) And, yes, I know, this is OSNews and not TranslateMe. :-) Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:13:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Doc Pain) Comments Cocotron (a GNUSTEP alternative) http://osnews.com/thread?231943 http://osnews.com/thread?231943 Cocotron (cocotron.org) is a GNUSTEP alternative. It's a plugin for the XCode, and can cross compile for Windows (not sure about Linux, and other OS-es).

The difference with GNUStep, is first that the menus on Windows are like any other normal Windows app (Not on the top line, or as a separate window as is in GNUStep).

Also it does not require the PATH settings you have to do. It packs it's executables much like the Mac OS X, so you would be able to do an Apple + Windows executable as one delivery.

It still misses features, but it's really interresting project.

Not that I'm saying anything against the GNUStep project, it's just that it was way harder for me to get anything on Windows up and running (it never compiles, it requires local hacks, etc.). And then for the delivery you don't know what DLL's to copy, and how to set-up the PATHS.

Just my 2 cents. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (malkia) Comments RE[2]: Peeve http://osnews.com/thread?231950 http://osnews.com/thread?231950

May I ask you if it's "e mail", "e-mail" or "email" in AE / BE? (In german, it's "E-Mail", not "Email", "eMail", "e-Mail" or "e Mail".) And, yes, I know, this is OSNews and not TranslateMe. :-)

"e-mail" (or "E-mail" at the start of sentence) appears to the most correct, according to British English, at any ratebut nobody seems to care. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nevali) Comments RE[4]: hmm http://osnews.com/thread?232020 http://osnews.com/thread?232020 OS X made its series of changes, first, to satisfy the legacy Mac OS user base. I dealt with that for over a year in-house. It resulted in a lot of ease-of-use in NeXTStep to take a back seat. Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:19:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tyrione) Comments RE: Good. http://osnews.com/thread?232172 http://osnews.com/thread?232172 Are those shell scripts you mention wrappers to source GNUstep.sh before launching the actual application? If so, do the sourcing from .xinitrc and you'll be fine. Thu, 19 Apr 2007 06:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (bogomipz) Comments RE: Cocotron (a GNUSTEP alternative) http://osnews.com/thread?232179 http://osnews.com/thread?232179 I second that, GNUstep app deployment on Windows is in a bad state and needs improvements. App deployment in *nix-es is possible and functional (although you need to compose a special bundle with all the libs inside, but it works).

In Windows, if you're only using the FoundationKit (i.e. non-graphical part), the process is pretty straightforward - copy DLLs, launch executable, done. I've written a small Objective-C + OpenGL + GLUT game at my school, and it was more portable than most of my fellow students' games (written in things like Java or C#). Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (saso) Comments RE[2]: Cocotron (a GNUSTEP alternative) http://osnews.com/thread?232188 http://osnews.com/thread?232188 However, after rummaging through CocoTron's source, you will realise that it's lacking a LOT of functionality, GNUstep already provides.

A lot of CocoTron's classes are just dummies with no operational code whatsoever. Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:23:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ChrisV) Comments Google Summer of Code http://osnews.com/thread?232210 http://osnews.com/thread?232210 Note also that the GNUstep project had two SoC students accepted:

http://gnustep.blogspot.com/2007/04/accepted-projects-for-gnustep-i...

One will work on improving the text system and the other will implement Cocoa Bindings :-) Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:06:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (NicolasRoard) Comments *STEP alternatives http://osnews.com/thread?232281 http://osnews.com/thread?232281 I'm always disappointed when I fire up YellowBox and realize that *STEP programming at one point was commercially supported under Windows. I'd love for GNUStep to be a viable option on windows, and Cocotron while interesting sounding is obviously a bit short on capabilities at the moment. In fact their blog was such a turn off to me that I'm having a problem determining if the whole thing is a gimmick or if it is just a light hearted blog attached to a real project. Every once in a while I get the urge to start working on GNUStep, but then real work eats up all my spare time. Ah, the day when that lottery ticket hits! :-) Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Hank) Comments