Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 27th Jun 2006 21:15 UTC, submitted by brewin
Legal The European Commission is ready to impose a fine of 2m Euros ($2.5m; 1.4m) a day on Microsoft. The Commission is expected to rule that Microsoft has failed to fully implement its 2004 antitrust decision. Under the ruling, Microsoft had to supply rivals with information about its Windows operating system.
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RE[2]: Hmmm... can you say bully?
by tomcat on Wed 28th Jun 2006 00:21 UTC in reply to "RE: Hmmm... can you say bully?"
tomcat
Member since:
2006-01-06

Whether or not MS has released the information necessary for rivals to build compatible software is a highly subjective question -- and the thing that bothers me is that the EU is the sole arbiter of whether MS has met that standard. Has the EU set up a standard that's impossible for MS to meet? I don't know. Nobody really knows except the EU. I have to wonder whether the EU would be as hardcore if MS were a European company rather than an American company. It's just a question of fairness. MS should definitely pay for violating the law; however, the EU shouldn't pile-on, either. Just my 2 cents.

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ma_d Member since:
2005-06-29

Has the EU set up a standard that's impossible for MS to meet? I don't know. Nobody really knows except the EU.
Cop out. If you have the same competency in this matter you have the same knowledge the EU does as they publish this stuff for us all to see. It's not like the EU knows something they're hiding.
If you want to know if they're asking for the impossible, read what they're asking: Documentation for protocols.

Microsoft has responded with things like source code: Something any programmer can tell you is not a good source of information if you want to finish it in a timely manner and not be accused of copyright infringement when you're rewriting it.

It is a subjective question though, because for an uber-genius with lots of time on his hands the binaries are enough documentation.

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tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

Have you actually read what MS submitted? Serious question. Or are you merely responding to things you've read in the news?

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r_a_trip Member since:
2005-07-06

This is not piling on. It is about time the USA stops hiding behind the excuse *that everybody hates America*. The EU is just enforcing European laws, like every other sovereign entity.

Microsoft is well known for polluting protocols created by others and pushing these hybrid monstrosities aggressively out into the market. MS doesn't compete on merrit, they kill competition by several tactics (bundling, Embrace/Extend/Extinguish, preloading) which give MS products the leg up against competing products.

The EU warned MS that these practises wouldn't be tolerated in the European market. They made it very clear that MS should comply with the ruling or be fined an X amount per day of non-compliance. MS stays in non-compliance and now we should feel sorry for poor old MS, because they are an American company that is being piled on by Europe? MS should play by the rules of the markets they operate in.

Just because MS is the biggest supplier of Operating Systems and Office software for average users doesn't mean they can ignore laws without consequences.

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tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

Microsoft is well known for polluting protocols created by others and pushing these hybrid monstrosities aggressively out into the market.

Example?

MS doesn't compete on merrit, they kill competition by several tactics (bundling, Embrace/Extend/Extinguish, preloading) which give MS products the leg up against competing products.

The courts have already addressed all of those issues by forbidding MS from engaging in those practices. Forcing MS to open the protocols to competitors goes way beyond the court decisions.

The EU warned MS that these practises wouldn't be tolerated in the European market. They made it very clear that MS should comply with the ruling or be fined an X amount per day of non-compliance. MS stays in non-compliance and now we should feel sorry for poor old MS, because they are an American company that is being piled on by Europe? MS should play by the rules of the markets they operate in.

And, needless to say, this ruling will primarily benefit European competitors.

Just because MS is the biggest supplier of Operating Systems and Office software for average users doesn't mean they can ignore laws without consequences.

This ruling which orders opening the protocols isn't a law. It's an arbitrary exercise of power by the EC.

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quartz Member since:
2006-05-24

EU is not the judge of the compliance process. They hired a third-party, well-know computer scientist to evaluate the documentation MS turned out.

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tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

The evaluator was employed by the EU; ergo, he was an agent of the EU; ergo, he was the EU.

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