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Original OSNews Interviews The news that Apple is going to switch to Intel processors shook up the computing world. Many users and developers were eager to publish their opinions on the switch. However, one group of people were totally neglected during all this: resellers. Today, we feature an interview with Wim Schermer, first Dutchman to own a Mac (in 1984), and co-founder of one of the biggest Apple retail stores in The Netherlands, MacSupport. We discuss the switch to Intel, and much more.
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RE[9]: Price
by kellym6 on Fri 5th Aug 2005 05:18 UTC in reply to "RE[8]: Price"
kellym6
Member since:
2005-08-02

David, I don't mean to be rude, but are you going to pull a Eugenia and dictate what people can and can't talk about now?

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RE[10]: Price
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 5th Aug 2005 05:46 in reply to "RE[9]: Price"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Kelly, Wim put the price issue really well when he said:

Apple is better, prettier, more reliable, but in the end it's up to the customer. And if that customer is satisfied with a Windows computer for 800 Euro (970 US Dollars), and the price is his selling point, then he won't buy a pretty iMac G5 for 1 500 Euro.

What is not expensive too you might be very expensive to someone else. The world isn't as black and white as you always want it to be in these threads.

Look, if a user can do all he wants with a Windows PC for 800E, then to that user, a 1500E iMac, which doesn't let him do more, is simply more expensive. Get over it. 1500E is more than 800E.

Does that mean that the iMac is *too* expensive? No! It simply means it's *more* expensive.

If you believe that 1500E isn't more than 800E, and if you also cannot understand that not everyone in this world is rich enough to spend 1500E on a new computer, than you're simply a sad person.

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RE[11]: Price
by kellym6 on Fri 5th Aug 2005 05:55 in reply to "RE[10]: Price"
kellym6 Member since:
2005-08-02

"Kelly, Wim put the price issue really well when he said: "

Thats pretty good... but I think I can sum it up more simply...

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PCs allow you to buy less and spend less. Macs require you to buy more so your spending more... even if the're not more expensive than an equally equipped PC.
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RE[11]: Price
by on Sat 6th Aug 2005 02:21 in reply to "RE[10]: Price"
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Look, if a user can do all he wants with a Windows PC for 800E, then to that user, a 1500E iMac, which doesn't let him do more, is simply more expensive. Get over it. 1500E is more than 800E.

Good Point.
However,
a Dell Inspiron xps gen 2 Notebook IS MORE EXPENSIVE then an Dell Inspiron 600 notebook. If these Smart Critics of Apple would apply the same ILLOGIC to Dell then there'd be No Argument.

But, someone Unwilling to pay 2200 dollars for a top end Powerbook will SIMPLY SAY APPLE's are too expensive. On top of that they justifiy their criticism by doing a Half-Assed price comparison.

The problem boils down to people desperately trying to prove that a VW is a BMW. If a VW meets your needs then be Happy and leave us, that use computers hard and "Get" Apple's Value, alone.

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RE[10]: Price
by dru_satori on Fri 5th Aug 2005 16:45 in reply to "RE[9]: Price"
dru_satori Member since:
2005-07-06

Kelly,

I'm a Mac user, and will counter the arguments where it reasonable. You've taken to doing so at the unreasonable level, and I agree wholeheartedly with David. Please let them have their say, anyone that has done some shopping lately, at the consumer level, not at the I can build it myself level, already knows that you can buy a WinTel for a little bit less money. Notice I didn't say equivalent, because it doesn't exist. The feature sets simply aren't. An entry level Mac caters to a different need than an entry level WinTel, and that in and of itself is a large part of the issue, because you simply cannot compare true equals, and don't expect the MacTel's to change that.

An entry level WinTel is not going to have Digital Audio & Firewire 800 out of the box, because that's not it's market. An entry level Mac isn't going to arrive with a PCCard slot, because it's target market shouldn't need it.

It's not an argument that's worth having, and it's been had way too many times.

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v RE[11]: Price
by on Fri 5th Aug 2005 16:59 in reply to "RE[10]: Price"
RE[11]: Price
by kellym on Fri 5th Aug 2005 17:01 in reply to "RE[10]: Price"
kellym Member since:
2005-07-06

"anyone that has done some shopping lately, at the consumer level, not at the I can build it myself level, already knows that you can buy a WinTel for a little bit less money."

I never said otherwise. Ofcourse you can build a PC for less money by equipping it with less. That's what I've been saying all along.


"you simply cannot compare true equals"

Asside from the processor, (which we can find equivilents for) and software (which we can find equivilents for) and OS (which can be matched up) the two can be matched up equally.


"you simply cannot compare true equals, and don't expect the MacTel's to change that."

As a poster mentioned (above), when Apple releases an x86 Mac, the two will be able to be compared more equally than ever before. Now, the Mac can have EXACTLY the same parts as a PC.


"An entry level WinTel is not going to have Digital Audio & Firewire 800 out of the box"

And yet it can.


"An entry level Mac isn't going to arrive with a PCCard slot, because it's target market shouldn't need it."

The PC's advantage isn't price like everyone says it is... its configurability. It allows you to buy less and pay less or buy more and pay more. Apple simply doesn't have a match for that. If an entry level Mac doesn't come with a a PCCard slot, thats a definate loss for Apple's business model, but in response again to your comment above... An entry level WinTel can indeed (and sometimes does) have Digital Audio & Firewire 800 out of the box.


"It's not an argument that's worth having, and it's been had way too many times."

Its an argument worth having because there are many that may opt to not buy a Mac based solely on the misconception that Apple charges more for less... which is false. As a Mac user, I don't like to see that happen, but as a multi-OS fan, its not like I wouldn't (or don't) do the same for any other OS that has a misconception freequently propigated about it. It's just that the price misconception seems to be the most common one quoted, so I'll respond to it and correct it whenever I see it.

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RE[10]: Price
by David on Fri 5th Aug 2005 17:24 in reply to "RE[9]: Price"
David Member since:
1997-10-01

I didn't tell you that you couldn't trot out the whole "Macs are too expensive no they're not" issue. I said that you shouldn't. You don't have to obey me, and I won't retaliate against you if you don't.

And, like Eugenia, I read this site often enough to get a little tired of the same old flamewars. And, like Eugenia, I feel it's my right to say so.

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v RE[11]: Price
by kellym on Fri 5th Aug 2005 17:34 in reply to "RE[10]: Price"