Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 8th Aug 2006 19:22 UTC
Windows Microsoft has begun sharing ideas on how to design a Vista PC as part of what it calls the Vista Industrial Design Toolkit. The kit, which has been distributed to about 70 different companies, offers PC and peripherals manufacturers as well as product design firms a number of ideas on ways to shape PCs and related hardware to complement the operating system's new features. The kits, whose design ideas remain under wraps at the moment but are believed to convey ideas of simplicity and elegance, comes as Microsoft pushes to release Windows Vista in the coming months.
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Here's an idea...
by bolomkxxviii on Tue 8th Aug 2006 20:20 UTC
bolomkxxviii
Member since:
2006-05-19

How about an "oh Sh_t" key for when you get a blue screen?

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RE: Here's an idea...
by DrillSgt on Tue 8th Aug 2006 20:49 in reply to "Here's an idea..."
DrillSgt Member since:
2005-12-02

"How about an "oh Sh_t" key for when you get a blue screen?"

Well, since blue screens don't happen with XP or Server 2003, I think it is a pretty safe bet they won't happen with Vista either.

On the other hand can we have one of those for when X locks up and the computer requires a hard reset? ;)

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RE[2]: Here's an idea...
by rcsteiner on Tue 8th Aug 2006 20:52 in reply to "RE: Here's an idea..."
rcsteiner Member since:
2005-07-12

What color are the traps in your world? :-)

(I don't use XP, so I honestly don't know)

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RE[2]: Here's an idea...
by butters on Tue 8th Aug 2006 21:28 in reply to "RE: Here's an idea..."
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2005-07-08

I haven't experienced any blue screens on XP either, but I find the constant "disk thrashing of pain" (DTOP) to be almost as annoying. I appreciate Microsoft's very noticeable progress on stability, but they have a lot of work to do on performance optimizations.

Of course I haven't seen their code, but from a user's prospective, it seems like their page caching algorithms have been to hell and back. They've certainly done some aggressive optimization of several special cases that have tradeoffs for more general usage patterns. For example, analysis has shown that Windows XP performs ridiculous amounts of readahead during video playback, which thoroughly clobbers stuff that you might want cached (e.g. filesystem metadata).

It just takes forever to do anything in Windows XP, and a lot of it can be traced back to poor paging performance. Sometimes I wonder where all that noise is coming from as I read my email at work. Then I see the disk activity light going bonkers and I realize it's just DTOP.

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RE[2]: Here's an idea...
by indech on Tue 8th Aug 2006 21:42 in reply to "RE: Here's an idea..."
indech Member since:
2005-12-06

While not as common, blue screens can happen for various reasons. I've experienced them thanks to good wireless drivers. While ymmv, my advise: never buy D-Link products.

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RE[2]: Here's an idea...
by chrish on Wed 9th Aug 2006 12:13 in reply to "RE: Here's an idea..."
chrish Member since:
2005-07-14

I've gotten bluescreens in XP; I disabled the stupid auto-reboot feature because I wanted to know why it was magically rebooting itself randomly.

Turns out that my motherboard (ASUS P4G8X Deluxe) plus a Radeon 9700 requires "AGP Fast Writes" disabled... which you can't do in the BIOS, unfortunately, so you have to remember to do it in the driver.

The bluescreens are hidden by the automatic reboot. Either way, it's a nasty thing to do to the user.

- chrish

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RE[2]: Here's an idea...
by SpasmaticSeacow on Wed 9th Aug 2006 17:57 in reply to "RE: Here's an idea..."
SpasmaticSeacow Member since:
2006-02-17

Whether XP or W2K3 blue-screens or not depends on the apps used and drivers installed (not to mention there's ways to intentionally make them die). Good for you if you don't get them or get them often, but unfortunately lots of us get them yet still.

Vista? Well, seeing as how until recently it was susceptible to the "ping of death" again, I wouldn't put much faith in it quite yet. Apparently they rewrote the TCP/IP stack for Vista and the new stack had many of the same errors as earlier NT stacks and would BSOD on malformed packets. Again, this is fixed, but you're talking about a product that hasn't had an opportunity to get the "kinks" ironed out in real-world testing. MS was estimating several 10's of thousands of bugs for release -- hopefully they won't all be show-stoppers, but no doubt a few are.

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RE[2]: Here's an idea...
by apoc on Tue 8th Aug 2006 23:07 in reply to "Here's an idea..."
apoc Member since:
2006-03-24

lol, the blue screen joke lives on

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