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SuSE, openSUSE Lenovo debuted its first Linux-based laptops at LinuxWorld in San Francisco on Tuesday, running SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 provided through a partnership with Novell. The systems are the result of a two-year research effort by the two companies as well as Intel, whose Centrino Duo processors power the portable. The Thinkpad T60p is an inch thin and weighs 4.7 pounds. Several features of Lenovo's Windows-based notebooks, including Help Center support, the ThinkPad Configuration Utility, Power Manager and Access Connections have been ported to Linux, the company said.
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Thinkpad Pricing
by lfeagan on Tue 15th Aug 2006 19:57 UTC
lfeagan
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2006-04-01

As a long time Thinkpad owner (and current owner of an X41 tablet, T42p and T43), I can say that all Thinkpads tend to be seen as overly expensive by most who look at them superficially and only consider clock speed, display size, and the like. I am trying to be careful here in my description to avoid turning this into a religious sounding discussion as a certain set of computer users tend to do. For a business professional on the go, the Thinkpad provides some features that are unavailable on other machines.

1) Battery life on my Thinkpads is nothing less than cosmic compared with similar notebooks from other manufacturers. The ability to use a 9-cell + the UltraBay slim battery on a plane trip to Europe and go nearly the entire way without recharging is great. When I have unexpected layovers in airports and everyone else is scrambling for the wall outlets, I always have confidence in my battery life pulling me through, even if I am installing Oracle and pounding the hard drive.

2) The weight of a Thinkpad T-series that matches the features of any comparable notebook is nearly always 0.7 to 1.0 pounds less. This may not seem like a lot to most, but when you are carrying a ton of things, and will then tote it around all day to meetings, shaving a bit of weight is always appreciated. Whenever I have had to carry another manufacturers notebook, I always am reminded how annoying they can be.
3) The keyboard on the Thinkpads is extremely nice. I am a programmer and have in fact purchased two of the desktop versions of the UltraNav keyboard which is identical to the keyboard in my T-series notebooks. As a programmer, having identical keyboards that I like is a great thing. I always feel like I am at a familiar keyboard as I carry a portable version of the keyboard with me as well. IBM has always made the loop complete for accessories for their systems. This requires a level of expenditure on their part that I am not convinced they recover purely through sales of those accessories.

4) The IBM warrany on the 'p' notebooks is always a 3-year warranty and comes with great service. The only time I have ever had a problem a Thinkpad was due to a very careless mistake I made one day when very tired from working on a project. I took responsibility for it, but they still replaced the entire system board for me at no cost. I called, they got a DHL box to me the next morning. DHL picked it up and got it to IBM the next morning. And it was back to me the next morning working perfectly again.

5) The 'p' series has the ATI FireGL graphics which adds a hefty amount to the price (around $500-$700) depending on the model. The 'p' always include a 7200 RPM hard drive, not a 5400 RPM one. The 'p' always come with Bluetooth and the best WiFi at the time. 'p' stands for 'performance' and they usually make good on that by putting in the best components they can find for their workstation-class users.

So, are they more expensive? For those who think of a notebook as some sort of desktop that they will never move, it is a very expensive proposition. For those who are mobile professionals, I can't think of a cheaper notebook that could come close to doing what my Thinkpads do. To me they are not expensive, they are what makes my life possible and I can't see living without such a high quality product.

Edited 2006-08-15 20:01

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RE: Thinkpad Pricing
by 2fargone on Tue 15th Aug 2006 20:14 in reply to "Thinkpad Pricing"
2fargone Member since:
2006-02-20

There is another difference in Thinkpads that attracts me, but I'm haven't seen a Levono Thinkpad so I'm not sure it still applies.

Thats the feeling of sturdiness. When you pick one up, it feels well made and durable. Most laptops I deal with feel cheap and fragile.

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RE[2]: Thinkpad Pricing
by twenex on Tue 15th Aug 2006 20:21 in reply to "RE: Thinkpad Pricing"
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

I think I should put a word in for sub-1000-pound (sterling) laptops. I'm very happy with my 700-pound laptop from Fujitsu. That translates to about $US1400, but I'm not sure whether prices in the States would actually be compatible. It might be that the equivalent laptop can be had over the Pond for less than a grand.

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RE: Thinkpad Pricing
by eol_of_urnst on Tue 15th Aug 2006 21:16 in reply to "Thinkpad Pricing"
eol_of_urnst Member since:
2006-08-08

Usually, thinkpads are great laptops. My only gripes with the T60p is that it can only be configured for up to 1GB RAM (no 2GB option), and the 1600x1200 screen is only available with the 2GHz cpu. Too bad.

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RE[2]: Thinkpad Pricing
by Robert Escue on Tue 15th Aug 2006 21:31 in reply to "RE: Thinkpad Pricing"
Robert Escue Member since:
2005-07-08

Maybe you should look at the link I provided, because according to Lenovo the T60p can be had with up to 4 GB of memory:

http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/notebooks/thinkpad/t-series/index.html

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RE[2]: Thinkpad Pricing
by lfeagan on Tue 15th Aug 2006 22:21 in reply to "RE: Thinkpad Pricing"
lfeagan Member since:
2006-04-01

My read of the tabook shows the T60p is available in the following configs with the 15.0" UXGA display.
1) 2.00GHz Core Duo T2500 (2623-DDU)
2) 2.16GHz Core Duo T2600 (Many choices)
3) 2.33GHz Core Duo T2700 (Many choices)

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pcinstitute/psref/tabook.pdf

FMI on ThinkPads, head on over to http://forum.thinkpads.com

Hope this helps.

Edited 2006-08-15 22:22

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RE[2]: Thinkpad Pricing
by eol_of_urnst on Tue 15th Aug 2006 21:20 in reply to "Thinkpad Pricing"
eol_of_urnst Member since:
2006-08-08

My bad. Found out how to increase memory to 2GB. But the processor X screen resolution still bugs me. Cheers

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RE: Thinkpad Pricing
by kaiwai on Wed 16th Aug 2006 05:17 in reply to "Thinkpad Pricing"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Thank you for the good description; I'm looking at getting a laptop/desktop end of this year (at the same time); I'm looking at getting a think pad, and possibly a thinkcentre.

What I'd love to know is firstly, whats the reliability of them like, since it being taken over by Lenovo (formally Legend Holdings)?

Also, has the 965 graphics chipset appeared in desktops and lapptops yet? basically, I am quite happy to purchase a desktop and laptop using the said chip, considering I won't be playing games, and I'll be running FreeBSD or an OpenSolaris distribution on both, 3D performance is really the least of my worries.

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