Linked by Eugenia Loli on Sat 19th Aug 2006 02:07 UTC
Opera Software "The DS Browser ends up becoming a bullet point for the Nintendo DS system's capabilities. Yes, the Nintendo DS can now surf the internet. But after the novelty wears off, you probably won't want to", Craig Harris writes in his review. Craig was very kind to send us a DS screenshot rendering the mobile version of OSNews, although the browser seems to interpret "100%" of cell width as 800px wide instead of DS' 256px native resolution. Update: Craig sent us another shot, this time using the "small screen rendering" mode, which looked much better.
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RE[4]: Hate to break it to you
by deathshadow on Sun 20th Aug 2006 12:59 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Hate to break it to you"
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Well, I just got my hands on one for a couple hours - and I think I found the 'issue'

It is NOT Opera mobile, but a modified version of full blown opera able to handle full blown XHTML... The browser in normal (non small screen) operation is SUPPOSED to emulate a 800x600 display 'shrunk' to fit on the top lcd, and a zoomed in box on the bottom one. Really slick as you are able to send it to most any site 'desktop' opera can view and have no problems (apart from scrolling around a whole lot, though the controls for that are fairly intuitive)

As such this site should be sending the DS the full 'normal' version of the site, not the reduced.

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anonymousbrowser Member since:

Well, good work finding the issue, i think it's been made clear from every preview of Opera DS ever written that it IS NOT just a mini browser like their java product, how on earth are you people managing to become so confused by the matter? are you all browsing with opera mini on mobile phones and are thus unable to see the full photographs in the review?

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RE[5]: Hate to break it to you
by Eugenia on Sun 20th Aug 2006 19:34 in reply to "RE[4]: Hate to break it to you"
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DeathShadow, you are again dis-representing the fact. You see, as I said above, having such SVGA LCD limit, is the CORRECT thing to do. And it IS Opera Mobile btw. Opera Mobile does have that SVGA limit too, just like PocketIE and Webkit too on Symbian.

But the difference is, that it is not INTELLIGENT enough on its algorithm on how to use this feature. It should make a check and see if the site FITS on the native resolution before it goes all blown away to SVGA. That's what Webkit does, look screenshot here: This is webkit's mini map of the whole page. The native resolution of the screen is 352x416, and it DOES also have this 800x600 trick. However, Webkit does it the RIGHT way: it checks first if it fits on its native res before it goes all blow up to SVGA. This is why the minimap is just a long strip instead of a full screen map of the site (like it is in the first opera shot in this story).

And that's where the Opera Mobile bug is. Not in the fact that it uses SVGA as its max resolution, but in the fact that it doesn't have a good implementation of it.

Edited 2006-08-20 19:37

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deathshadow Member since:

>> And it IS Opera Mobile btw. Opera Mobile does have that SVGA limit too, just like PocketIE and Webkit too on Symbian.

No... having used Opera Mobile on a Nokia series 60, I can most certainly say that what's running on the DS is NOT opera mobile - not even CLOSE.

As to what webkit does - That's exactly what opera does in 'small screen' mode (regardless of the device) - and webkit's way of doing it COULD be considered VERY wrong... Trying to check the native res of a device less than 640 pixels across when 90%+ of the web pages out there aren't written to support it is a BAD idea... Which is probably why I prefer Opera to Webkit on Symbian.

I would definately NOT call it a bad implementation of it, given that it works fine with most all EXISTING websites that don't waste time trying to send some specialized version to mobile computing devices... It assumes you want to see the REAL version of the site - if anything I'd be pointing the finger at your browser detection code server-side for sending the DS the wrong version of the website, NOT Opera's behavior. Opera on the DS is MEANT to browse the same code as the desktop version with no regard to 'specialized' versions for reduced browsers... mostly because Opera is of the opinion (one I agree with) that expecting site designers to waste time coding specialized versions just for mobile devices is impractical, unrealistic, and increasingly unneccessary as the hardware in mobile devices exceeds the processing power of desktops from a decade ago.

But again, that's likely a matter of personal preference on browser behavior - something NOBODY can really agree on.

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