Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 25th Aug 2006 11:24 UTC, submitted by anyweb
SuSE, openSUSE Linux-Noob has reviewed SLED 10. "Novell's strengths are many, and I'm delighted to see the excellent work they have done in usability tests, and making the whole desktop feel like it's ready, ready to do business, and ready to serve its users. The development they've done with Beagle and in particular the 'computer menu' are fantastic and hopefully are just the start of better things to come."
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RE: Great distro
by h3rman on Fri 25th Aug 2006 14:41 UTC in reply to "Great distro"
h3rman
Member since:
2006-08-09

I will say that Yast in SLED has no open source rival in the Linux world as far as comprehensive management tools go. Maybe someone could download the source from http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/YaST and start porting it to other distros.

There's no need to argue that this or that package manager is superior to YaST or vice versa.
However, YaST includes all kinds of hardware management, whereas some other distros choose to separate package/update management from hardware management, and use different programs for the two.

Both approaches have their logic, but it doesn't mean YaST should be forked. The abundance of package managers out there is quite impressive. If people want to have an integrated program like YaST, they migth as well expand Synaptic, Adept, Smart or whatever with hardware management tools.
I think not many people like to risk the bloat.

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RE[2]: Great distro
by twenex on Fri 25th Aug 2006 15:14 in reply to "RE: Great distro"
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

Somebody mentioned on this site that you can pretty much mix and match packages to turn Distro X into Distro Y, anyway.

Lorra lorra work, though, I bet.

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RE[2]: Great distro
by Quag7 on Fri 25th Aug 2006 15:25 in reply to "RE: Great distro"
Quag7 Member since:
2005-07-28

I'm curious how many people who have used SLED are long-term Linux vets. I have noticed that the press for this latest release has been downright glowing.

I recently installed OpenSUSE, whatever the latest version is, on an old laptop of mine, just to see what it was like, having never used SUSE before.

I saw some polish and chrome there that had some obvious advantages in attracting users. I immediately saw why people get excited over YaST. It has a very unified "control panel" feel to it, and I can see the substantial practical benefits to it, especially for beginners or even people who just can't be bothered doing things at the command line. Also, as someone who is a snob about package managers (I imagine most of us are), I'd also report that YaST in OpenSUSE at least, worked great. Had zero problems with dependencies, crashes, or otherwise.

How similar to SLED is OpenSUSE? For those of you who have used at least 5 distros, how does SLED compare? I'm curious whether the glowing reviews of SLED are a result of people who are interested in making Linux more attractive to non-Linux users as an alternative to whatever they're running now, vs. its merits in comparison to other Linux distros for people who have used Linux for awhile.

I have no opinion on this either way; this is why I'm asking. I'm fairly certain that I'm not the intended audience for SLED - I run Gentoo and like that sort of thing (while realizing it's definitely not for everyone), but I am curious how it stacks up against other distros for the power user.

That being said, it's nice to see a Linux distribution get such glowing praise. I'm of the mind that good press for any distribution is probably good press for Linux in general.

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RE[3]: Great distro
by Trollstoi on Fri 25th Aug 2006 15:53 in reply to "RE[2]: Great distro"
Trollstoi Member since:
2005-11-11

I'm fairly certain that I'm not the intended audience for SLED - I run Gentoo

You are so 1337 :-P

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RE[3]: Great distro
by twenex on Fri 25th Aug 2006 15:58 in reply to "RE[2]: Great distro"
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

I don't use SLED, but I use OpenSUSE Eval 10.0 on my laptop. Like you, I also run Gentoo. I have been running Linux (various distros) almost continuously since the late nineties.

I wanted SUSE to avoid hardware problems with my laptop - lots of stuff seems to work even in FreeBSD, but the internal wireless card is incompatible, and the wireless Cardbus card I bought has been a bitch in everything other than SUSE. I won't reiterate your glowing review of it, but I will second it.

As a Linux user experienced/brave/foolish enough to run Gentoo, despite what certain (particularly recent) comments of mine on this site might have led you to believe, I couldn't give a flying Firefox if someone makes a distro of Linux so similar to Windows that even dear old Microsoft couldn't tell the difference. I think the worry amongst us early adopters a few years ago was that doing this would divert attention (resources) from the features that made us love Linux in the first place; those fears have been, I think, misplaced. Different distros have different uses, and as such I probably won't be replacing my Gentoo machine with SUSE or the reverse any time soon. I think if SLED improves on openSUSE for "average users", using FOSS software, then everybody except the most rabid other-OS or GPL hater can shout a Big, Loud, Overdue, "Hoo-bloody-ray".

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RE[3]: Great distro
by Sphinx on Fri 25th Aug 2006 16:36 in reply to "RE[2]: Great distro"
Sphinx Member since:
2005-07-09

Tried it, does not hold a candle to gentoo.

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RE[3]: Great distro
by anandrajan on Fri 25th Aug 2006 17:05 in reply to "RE[2]: Great distro"
anandrajan Member since:
2006-05-12

I'm curious how many people who have used SLED are long-term Linux vets.

I started using linux as my primary desktop in 1996. I'm now running SUSE 10.1 at home and SLED 10 at work. Here are some comparisons between the two.

1. While it is fairly straightforward to set up XGL on SUSE 10.1, it is almost braindead in SLED 10 (Gnome). XGL on SLED 10 with KDE is slightly more difficult. Slight advantage SLED 10.

2. Desktop search in SLED 10 via beagle is quite good and while I haven't spent much time with it on SUSE 10.1, it does come all ready to go in SLED 10. Slight advantage SLED 10.

3. SUSE 10.1 has a lot of repositories specifically meant for it and these can be accessed via smart. SLED 10 does not have any repositories and you have to use the SUSE 10.1 repositories. This creates some problems in SLED 10 as in I don't use the zen updater applet any more. I just use smart in SLED 10 to do package management. Major advantage SUSE 10.1.

4. When you register SLED 10 with Novell, the nvidia and ATI driver sites are added to Yast. Consequently, installing nvidia drivers is braindead in SLED 10. In SUSE 10.1, I download the nvidia drivers manually from nvidia's site. Advantage SLED 10.

5. There's not much of a community for SLED 10. SUSE 10.1 has a much stronger and larger community. Advantage: SUSE 10.1.

6. SLED 10 still has some annoying bugs. Display power management (DPMS) does not work at all and my monitor stayed on for a day before I realized this. This bug has still not been fixed. Advantage: SUSE 10.1.

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RE[2]: Great distro
by Moochman on Fri 25th Aug 2006 15:53 in reply to "RE: Great distro"
Moochman Member since:
2005-07-06

Yast as a package manager is already on its way to being irrelevant/dead, due to the new Zen-based package manager in the new Suse distros. I'm pretty sure the poster was referring to Yast's hardware management utilities being ported, exclusive/regardless of the package management utility.

I've been advocating that Yast's hardware tools be ported to other distros ever since it was open-sourced a couple of years ago. Why it hasn't happened yet is probably due to the fact that every other "desktop" distro was already in the middle of building its own GUI hardware tools at the time that Yast was first open-sourced. Mandriva, Ubuntu, and Red Hat all have their own hardware-management solutions. Ubuntu's tools look to be on their way to becoming a heavyweight solution, but it will take a while until they approach Yast's comprehensiveness. Although I haven't used Mandriva since before the Mandrake name-change, recent screenshots reveal hardware management tools that seem to be approaching Suse's. Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure Fedora's GUI hardware tools are not as comprehensive as Suse's, with much more hand-editing of config files required (although to be fair the last time I tried Fedora was Core 3).

Suse's YaST, in conjunction with SaX2, definitely takes the crown for the most comprehensive GUI-based hardware setup solution.

Nevertheless, it should be noted that the YaST interface to all appearances hasn't been changed/improved in years, and this is where I think Ubuntu may gain the edge (no pun intended ;) ). In my experience, Yast suffers from its attempt to shoehorn a traditional GUI configuration interface into a wizard-based one. The user ends up stepping through heierarchies of dialogue boxes, albeit without realizing it, because they're all displayed in the same space and with only the three wizard buttons "Next," "Abort" and (the all-too-often grayed-out) "Back" presented, making the process seem linear. This necessitates all manner of extra-clicking repetitive madness and confusion for the user (and I think if you've ever delved into the depths of YaST's Network Interface or Printer setup tools, you'll have some idea of what I'm talking about).

The YaST tools' interfaces could be substantially improved by either exposing the heirarchies through standard, pop-up dialog boxes (a la Windows and OS X) or by always presenting a list of steps along the left side of all Yast config tools so that the user is always clear about their position in the process, a la Suse's initial OS installation tool (and that of many other OSes). Alternately, a fresh re-analysis and re-design of YaSt would probably be the most ideal solution (of course this would be up to Suse, since no one else is really working on Yast). Come on, you newly-materialized Suse/Novell UI-design whizzes, get on it!

Despite my critique, I still think YaST as it stands is the best hardware toolbox currently available for the Linux desktop. However, with Mandriva and particularly Ubuntu improving and expanding their toolsets all the time, if Suse/Novell doesn't keep on improving Yast, it may not stay that way.

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RE[2]: Great distro
by SEJeff on Fri 25th Aug 2006 16:56 in reply to "RE: Great distro"
SEJeff Member since:
2005-11-05

There's no need to argue that this or that package manager is superior to YaST or vice versa.

Dude... yast isn't a package manager. rpm is the package manager that yast uses. Yast is a systems management tool centralizing administration from everything like LVM volumes to reconfiguring the network card, to managing users, to changing dns entries. It is sooooooo much more than a package manager and a pretty frontend to rpm is *ONE* of the things it can do.

Yast has various modules to administer different things. Try running this to see what modules you have installed one a SUSE system:
yast --list

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RE[3]: Great distro
by h3rman on Fri 25th Aug 2006 17:21 in reply to "RE[2]: Great distro"
h3rman Member since:
2006-08-09

Dude... yast isn't a package manager. rpm is the package manager that yast uses. (...) It is sooooooo much more than a package manager and a pretty frontend to rpm is *ONE* of the things it can do.

Thanks for calling me Dude.
The Big Lebowski is actually one of my favorite movies.

But then, I don't recall calling YaST *just* a package manager. I just think lots of people use YaST to manage packages, and obviously my post, if read well, implies that YaST can do much more than that.

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