Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 30th Aug 2006 17:05 UTC, submitted by jcpinto
Linspire Starting today, Linspire does not only offer a free OS, but also its CNR Basic service. " Linspire, Inc., developer of the commercial desktop Linux operating system of the same name and Freespire, the free community desktop Linux operating system, announced the immediate change in pricing for its popular CNR Service from an annual subscription fee based offering to a completely free service." CEO Carmony said: "We're thrilled to now be in a position to offer this excellent service to desktop Linux users absolutely free. CNR really makes using desktop Linux easy, and we want everyone to have access to this quality service."
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RE[3]: Wow!
by deanlinkous on Thu 31st Aug 2006 18:08 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Wow! "
deanlinkous
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2006-06-19

But that isn't true. Linspire and RedHat are different in a lot of ways. Redhat does not say "worlds easiest linux" "everything just works" "no elite hacker skills needed" and then when it is shown that stuff is still required then they change to "well no linux is perfect" and so forth.

People aren't saying ONLY root. We are saying that by default most new users WILL end up as root. We also are saying that it is often hard (harder than other distros) to use linspire as a non-root user. This link
http://help.linspire.com/cgi-bin/linspire.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.p...
specifically shows this - it is a link to linspires website which shows specifically one example of the trouble a non-root user will have. Do you think it is a coincidence that it actually mentions NON-ROOT user? You do not think that obviously this shows that they expect users running as root?

Some people have questioned if it could be a sign that linspire is going out of business. No more than that. That is speculation and still not FUD because it may very well be true or it may very well not be. But either way nobody can read that and take it to be more than speculation.

I don't care if they make money OR stay around. ;) They are welcome to do both but please do it honestly. A operating system that costs money and no way to install software (correctly) without paying for a add-on service that is a yearly subscription. That was poor.

Free CNR - that is good. That is how it should of been all along so sorry it is nothing I am going to run to the top of mt.everest to scream about. It is newsworthy and cool yet not earth shattering and there is no reason to think that every distro is immediately going to adopt this and replace what they have now. I just find it funny that to keep the *spire people all excited he constantly has to dangle the next big news announcement. But I do agree with it - it is fun (ny)!

Edited 2006-08-31 18:09

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RE[4]: Wow!
by Windows Sucks on Thu 31st Aug 2006 19:47 in reply to "RE[3]: Wow! "
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2005-11-10

"But that isn't true. Linspire and RedHat are different in a lot of ways. Redhat does not say "worlds easiest linux" "everything just works" "no elite hacker skills needed" and then when it is shown that stuff is still required then they change to "well no linux is perfect" and so forth."

Remember what they are saying is that it works better compared to other versions of Linux. As I stated in my last post, when you install Linspire (And much more with Freespire now) you don't have to spend hours getting all the normal stuff like flash and java and some plug and play etc to work.


"People aren't saying ONLY root. We are saying that by default most new users WILL end up as root. We also are saying that it is often hard (harder than other distros) to use linspire as a non-root user. This link
http://help.linspire.com/cgi-bin/linspire.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.p.....
specifically shows this - it is a link to linspires website which shows specifically one example of the trouble a non-root user will have. Do you think it is a coincidence that it actually mentions NON-ROOT user? You do not think that obviously this shows that they expect users running as root? "

Yes they did have a problem with that in the past, PAST being the key word here. And who knows how long ago this post was entered. Linspire 4 maybe? It doesn't say.


"I don't care if they make money OR stay around. ;) They are welcome to do both but please do it honestly. A operating system that costs money and no way to install software (correctly) without paying for a add-on service that is a yearly subscription. That was poor."

Again you are stating FUD. You could always use APT because it's Debian under the hood! The problem was always that if you use APT repositories outside of Linspire it would conflict if you then went back to use CNR. Even that problem is being resolved now. But you could always use APT in Linspire. I mean can you update Xandros without using their tool? No better then you can Linspire.

"Free CNR - that is good. That is how it should of been all along so sorry it is nothing I am going to run to the top of mt.everest to scream about. It is newsworthy and cool yet not earth shattering and there is no reason to think that every distro is immediately going to adopt this and replace what they have now. I just find it funny that to keep the *spire people all excited he constantly has to dangle the next big news announcement. But I do agree with it - it is fun (ny)!"

I mean is this any different then Steve Jobs or Bill Gates keynote speaches. Where they dangle the next big thing on rumor sites etc?

Come on, I think everyone is making a big deal out of nothing. I could see if Linspire did something that other companies didnt! But i think it's just because they didn't take the "Linux Religion" approach and took the "We are in it to make money" approach that rubs people wrong. :-(

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RE[5]: Wow!
by deanlinkous on Thu 31st Aug 2006 20:16 in reply to "RE[4]: Wow! "
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2006-06-19

"Remember what they are saying is that it works better compared to other versions of Linux. As I stated in my last post, when you install Linspire (And much more with Freespire now) you don't have to spend hours getting all the normal stuff like flash and java and some plug and play etc to work.

First that is NOT what they are saying, they are saying exactly what I stated. I think it is even trademarked. Second of all it doesn't 'work' better. Yes it may in some areas and in some ways yet falls short in others - like sound (jackd) and the browser and other areas like boot time.

Yes they did have a problem with that in the past, PAST being the key word here. And who knows how long ago this post was entered. Linspire 4 maybe? It doesn't say.
No that isn't the past. Have a user install it today and unless they know about linux they will likely end up as a user and if they try to run as a user they will have to resort to those same 'elite hacker skills' that they criticise other distros for requiring to get things to work. If you look closely you will see that the screenshot shows 2005.

You could always use APT because it's Debian under the hood! The problem was always that if you use APT repositories outside of Linspire it would conflict if you then went back to use CNR. Even that problem is being resolved now. But you could always use APT in Linspire.
No you could not use apt on linspire and expect things to work. There is no fud to it. If you use apt you were installing software in incorrectly. As stated you had a OS but had no way of installing software in a supported manner unless you also pay a yearly fee. I think you are fudding against Xandros there - you better go check on the differences. But even if it was true - just because xandros is bad too doesn't somehow make linspire alright either.

I mean is this any different then Steve Jobs or Bill Gates keynote speaches
good point! I agree it is just like those people and those companies. ;)

No it is because they took the 'we are in it to make money' and nothing else matters approach.

I am completely put off of anything *spire now so I will quit commenting completely on this subject. The same attitude remains and the same shortcomings so I take back that I said things are changing. Obviously the more things change the more they stay the same.

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